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2020 Presidental Election

(This post was last modified: 11-07-2020, 01:58 PM by NeptuneBeachBum.)

(11-07-2020, 01:51 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(11-07-2020, 01:48 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: Agreed.  I am a responsible, educated, and trained gun owner.  But do I think it should be regulated more?  Absolutely.  I don't know why any conservative would want easy access for dangerous weapons in the hands of criminals.  That continues to invite the scenario you are talking about in residential areas.

I don't want easy access. We have background checks and 3 day wait periods. What more do you want? Criminals will get their hands on weapons no matter what the laws are. That is the giant misnomer,  that criminals follow laws.

I am good with all that.  Assault weapons would be what I would place a higher standard of regulation on.  Those are a different animal regarding mass shootings.  If you want one of those, there should be a higher standard.  I mean, you need a license that shows basic competency to drive a car and registration that shows ownership... I'd place assault weapons in that realm.  Other than that, I'm good.
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(11-07-2020, 01:31 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(11-07-2020, 01:27 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: Sure.   The entire world was in on getting Trump out of office.  That is how bad he was.   Take it off, brother.

Of course China and a few other countries wanted him out of office because they weren't able to screw us over and rip us off anymore.  They love this and now they can go back to ripping us off again

You are aware China won the tariff war right
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(11-07-2020, 01:58 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote:
(11-07-2020, 01:51 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: I don't want easy access. We have background checks and 3 day wait periods. What more do you want? Criminals will get their hands on weapons no matter what the laws are. That is the giant misnomer,  that criminals follow laws.

I am good with all that.  Assault weapons would be what I would place a higher standard of regulation on.  Those are a different animal regarding mass shootings.  If you want one of those, there should be a higher standard.  I mean, you need a license that shows basic competency to drive a car and registration that shows ownership... I'd place assault weapons in that realm.  Other than that, I'm good.

Well...no.
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

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(11-07-2020, 01:58 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote:
(11-07-2020, 01:51 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: I don't want easy access. We have background checks and 3 day wait periods. What more do you want? Criminals will get their hands on weapons no matter what the laws are. That is the giant misnomer,  that criminals follow laws.

I am good with all that.  Assault weapons would be what I would place a higher standard of regulation on.  Those are a different animal regarding mass shootings.  If you want one of those, there should be a higher standard.  I mean, you need a license that shows basic competency to drive a car and registration that shows ownership... I'd place assault weapons in that realm.  Other than that, I'm good.

I'm fine with that, but what are the logistics of licensing an "assault weapon"? Training with a rental weapon until someone we deem an expert says you are worthy of purchasing and operating one on your own?

The devil is in the details and when you dig into them, things arent so simple.
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Truth be told, Trump did more to undermine his reelection chances than any policy. I was never fully sure of his ability to win again. He simply refused to learn the value of discretion. I supported him mainly because he fought back against the leftwing establishment of the MSM in bed with the democrats. The people who are supposed to be the arbiters of truth must not openly support one side. But they do and Trump's time in office forced them to fully expose themselves. Fortunately in that process they have stripped themselves of the ability to shape the narrative as they have in years past. They will never be trusted again.

Now the dems have a battle ahead of keeping the interest of their voter base. I don't see that happening because they channeled anti-Trump motivation to win this election, not support for their platform. I predict the midterm elections will be productive for Republicans, especially if Biden fails to contain the leftwing of his party.
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(11-07-2020, 02:04 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(11-07-2020, 01:58 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: I am good with all that.  Assault weapons would be what I would place a higher standard of regulation on.  Those are a different animal regarding mass shootings.  If you want one of those, there should be a higher standard.  I mean, you need a license that shows basic competency to drive a car and registration that shows ownership... I'd place assault weapons in that realm.  Other than that, I'm good.

I'm fine with that, but what are the logistics of licensing an "assault weapon"? Training with a rental weapon until someone we deem an expert says you are worthy of purchasing and operating one on your own?

The devil is in the details and when you dig into them, things arent so simple.

I agree its messy, but it needs to improve.  I don't have all the answers, but its worth looking into if it can help prevent even a fraction of the mass shooting casualties that are exponentially higher in the United States than anywhere else.

(11-07-2020, 02:06 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: Truth be told, Trump did more to undermine his reelection chances than any policy. I was never fully sure of his ability to win again. He simply refused to learn the value of discretion. I supported him mainly because he fought back against the leftwing establishment of the MSM in bed with the democrats. The people who are supposed to be the arbiters of truth must not openly support one side. But they do and Trump's time in office forced them to fully expose themselves. Fortunately in that process they have stripped themselves of the ability to shape the narrative as they have in years past. They will never be trusted again.

Now the dems have a battle ahead of keeping the interest of their voter base. I don't see that happening because they channeled anti-Trump motivation to win this election, not support for their platform. I predict the midterm elections will be productive for Republicans, especially if Biden fails to contain the leftwing of his party.

I agree with most of what you said, but Trump was a cancer on democracy and had to go.  He was governing for about 40-45% of the nation and completely disregarding the rest.  There were so many things that disgusted me about him, but his lack of respect to John McCain and his family flipped me with him.  John McCain is a true American hero in my mind. I was done after that.
This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.
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(11-07-2020, 02:06 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: Truth be told, Trump did more to undermine his reelection chances than any policy. I was never fully sure of his ability to win again. He simply refused to learn the value of discretion. I supported him mainly because he fought back against the leftwing establishment of the MSM in bed with the democrats. The people who are supposed to be the arbiters of truth must not openly support one side. But they do and Trump's time in office forced them to fully expose themselves. Fortunately in that process they have stripped themselves of the ability to shape the narrative as they have in years past. They will never be trusted again.

Now the dems have a battle ahead of keeping the interest of their voter base. I don't see that happening because they channeled anti-Trump motivation to win this election, not support for their platform. I predict the midterm elections will be productive for Republicans, especially if Biden fails to contain the leftwing of his party.

I wasn't fully convinced he would run for a 2nd term to be honest. At his age, I figured he would take the "I put my mind to it, did it, now I'm out" approach.  Ego got the better of him.  

Having said that, he still got what will end up being 70+ million votes and if he chooses, will be a kingmaker for the GOP for the foreseeable future. The GOP owe a debt of gratitude to the most racist President in our country's history exponentially improving African American and Hispanic support in the party.
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If only it were so innocent. No it really looks more likely that he's a criminal who was protected by his occupation of the office and he's afaid of what's waiting for him the moment he steps out of it.

How long will it take after Biden takes office for him to be arrested? He's been obstructing justice for years in addition to his other crimes. He might have to be drug out of the Whitehouse in handcuffs.
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(11-07-2020, 02:21 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: If only it were so innocent. No it really looks more likely that he's a criminal who was protected by his occupation of the office and he's afaid of what's waiting for him the moment he steps out of it.

How long will it take after Biden takes office for him to be arrested? He's been obstructing justice for years in addition to his other crimes. He might have to be drug out of the Whitehouse in handcuffs.

You gotta stop watching CNN.
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(11-07-2020, 02:06 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: Truth be told, Trump did more to undermine his reelection chances than any policy. I was never fully sure of his ability to win again. He simply refused to learn the value of discretion. I supported him mainly because he fought back against the leftwing establishment of the MSM in bed with the democrats. The people who are supposed to be the arbiters of truth must not openly support one side. But they do and Trump's time in office forced them to fully expose themselves. Fortunately in that process they have stripped themselves of the ability to shape the narrative as they have in years past. They will never be trusted again.

Now the dems have a battle ahead of keeping the interest of their voter base. I don't see that happening because they channeled anti-Trump motivation to win this election, not support for their platform. I predict the midterm elections will be productive for Republicans, especially if Biden fails to contain the leftwing of his party.

I think Trumps personality really suited the radical outsider campaign he ran the first time. He wasnt part of the Washington system and was going to clean it up. It's hard to have that personality when your the actual President. I think people see the role of President as something you rise to as oppose to mould to fit you. 

Trump also had this incredible ability to survive issues that would take others down. That video before the last election would have killed most candidates but Trump was untouched. I feel he enjoyed that and the MSM would run around screaming but it meant he never really had to reach across or compromise.

I certainly agree about MSM, the news has gone from reporting a story to reporting it to give you an opinion. Big difference.
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(11-07-2020, 02:21 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: If only it were so innocent. No it really looks more likely that he's a criminal who was protected by his occupation of the office and he's afaid of what's waiting for him the moment he steps out of it.

How long will it take after Biden takes office for him to be arrested? He's been obstructing justice for years in addition to his other crimes. He might have to be drug out of the Whitehouse in handcuffs.

As predictable as the ones you rail against. Two sides of the same coin.
"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption
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(11-07-2020, 02:23 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(11-07-2020, 02:21 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: If only it were so innocent. No it really looks more likely that he's a criminal who was protected by his occupation of the office and he's afaid of what's waiting for him the moment he steps out of it.

How long will it take after Biden takes office for him to be arrested? He's been obstructing justice for years in addition to his other crimes. He might have to be drug out of the Whitehouse in handcuffs.

You gotta stop watching CNN.

You gotta understand what's happening in the SDNY.  Not sure where you get your news, but he has some significant problems there once his immunity elapses.
This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.
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(11-07-2020, 02:36 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote:
(11-07-2020, 02:23 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: You gotta stop watching CNN.

You gotta understand what's happening in the SDNY.  Not sure where you get your news, but he has some significant problems there once his immunity elapses.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I just dont buy it. He didn't have immunity his entire adulthood as a citizen. If there was anything  there at all it would have leaked during campaign.
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(11-07-2020, 02:28 PM)JagFan81 Wrote:
(11-07-2020, 02:06 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: Truth be told, Trump did more to undermine his reelection chances than any policy. I was never fully sure of his ability to win again. He simply refused to learn the value of discretion. I supported him mainly because he fought back against the leftwing establishment of the MSM in bed with the democrats. The people who are supposed to be the arbiters of truth must not openly support one side. But they do and Trump's time in office forced them to fully expose themselves. Fortunately in that process they have stripped themselves of the ability to shape the narrative as they have in years past. They will never be trusted again.

Now the dems have a battle ahead of keeping the interest of their voter base. I don't see that happening because they channeled anti-Trump motivation to win this election, not support for their platform. I predict the midterm elections will be productive for Republicans, especially if Biden fails to contain the leftwing of his party.

I think Trumps personality really suited the radical outsider campaign he ran the first time. He wasnt part of the Washington system and was going to clean it up. It's hard to have that personality when your the actual President. I think people see the role of President as something you rise to as oppose to mould to fit you. 

Trump also had this incredible ability to survive issues that would take others down. That video before the last election would have killed most candidates but Trump was untouched. I feel he enjoyed that and the MSM would run around screaming but it meant he never really had to reach across or compromise.

I certainly agree about MSM, the news has gone from reporting a story to reporting it to give you an opinion. Big difference.

Absolutely. Good points. 

Trump also exposed the degree of machinations the political establishment will conduct in order to vex or eliminate their sworn opponent. We found out the deep state really does exist.

(11-07-2020, 02:35 PM)TearExtractor Wrote: https://twitter.com/DanPriceSeattle/stat...4469073925

I don't care who you are, that's funny right there.
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(11-07-2020, 02:40 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:
(11-07-2020, 02:36 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: You gotta understand what's happening in the SDNY.  Not sure where you get your news, but he has some significant problems there once his immunity elapses.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I just dont buy it. He didn't have immunity his entire adulthood as a citizen. If there was anything  there at all it would have leaked during campaign.

Its all the info after Michael Cohen flipped on him and went to jail; he knows where all the bodies are buried.  If Cohen and all of Trump's other cohorts have been convicted of crimes, its not a stretch to think the reports of the SDNY sitting on prosecutable information post-election is not real.
This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.
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Congrats Philly and Michigan. Your questionable behavior during this election process has virtually guaranteed a GOP uprising in 2022. Why engage in such behavior if you've nothing to hide? Hoping but not expecting some sort of election reform and implementation to come out of all this.
"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption
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(11-07-2020, 02:47 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote:
(11-07-2020, 02:40 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: Maybe I'm wrong, but I just dont buy it. He didn't have immunity his entire adulthood as a citizen. If there was anything  there at all it would have leaked during campaign.

Its all the info after Michael Cohen flipped on him and went to jail.  If Cohen and all of Trump's other cohorts have been convicted of crimes, its not a stretch to think the reports of the SDNY sitting on prosecutable information post-election is not real.

And that doesn't even touch on the emoluments, corruption, and obstruction while in the office. It's not out of the question he pardons himself and the supreme court let's him get away with that, but it won't stop the state charges.
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(11-07-2020, 02:53 PM)SeldomRite Wrote:
(11-07-2020, 02:47 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: Its all the info after Michael Cohen flipped on him and went to jail.  If Cohen and all of Trump's other cohorts have been convicted of crimes, its not a stretch to think the reports of the SDNY sitting on prosecutable information post-election is not real.

And that doesn't even touch on the emoluments, corruption, and obstruction while in the office. It's not out of the question he pardons himself and the supreme court let's him get away with that, but it won't stop the state charges.

Exactly right. That's why the SDNY charges will be more important than any federal crimes.
This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.
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If the GOP can find another that can generate Trump’s appeal that has a little bit more self-control and tact, they can get back in the White House.
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