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(11-07-2020, 10:18 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote:
(11-07-2020, 07:31 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: You've already misread twice, just on this page. Divisive is two sided. You're showing your stripes. Talk about bias...

Divisive was one-sided with Trump.  Biden has spoken consistently about attempts to unite both sides... Trump openly threw gas on the flames.  

And I am a conservative who has voted Republican every election until this year (so I guess you misread my earlier comments).  But I am 100% anti-Trump... so if that is a bias, I proudly admit it.  Trump is a  pathetic child.  Can you imagine how bad conservatives would have got at Obama if he said and done any of the ridiculous things Trump does on a weekly basis?  I mean, just about the military alone... complete disaster.  History will not be kind to anyone who supported that clown.

(11-07-2020, 07:59 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:

Its mikesez. Join date & writing style are dead matches.

Haha... nope.  But if by writing style you mean highly educated and intelligent, then we take that as a compliment.  You can go see my and Mikesez' spirited discussions on the football board about QBR a few days back.
And you forgot "humble" too...
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(11-07-2020, 10:18 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote:
(11-07-2020, 07:31 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: You've already misread twice, just on this page. Divisive is two sided. You're showing your stripes. Talk about bias...

Divisive was one-sided with Trump.  Biden has spoken consistently about attempts to unite both sides... Trump openly threw gas on the flames.  

And I am a conservative who has voted Republican every election until this year (so I guess you misread my earlier comments).  But I am 100% anti-Trump... so if that is a bias, I proudly admit it.  Trump is a  pathetic child.  Can you imagine how bad conservatives would have got at Obama if he said and done any of the ridiculous things Trump does on a weekly basis?  I mean, just about the military alone... complete disaster.  History will not be kind to anyone who supported that clown.

(11-07-2020, 07:59 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote:

Its mikesez. Join date & writing style are dead matches.

Haha... nope.  But if by writing style you mean highly educated and intelligent, then we take that as a compliment.  You can go see my and Mikesez' spirited discussions on the football board about QBR a few days back.

Yeah, I see the correct spelling, the wide vocabulary, the correct grammar - it ends there though.  You are more direct and less snarky than me.
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(11-07-2020, 11:16 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(11-07-2020, 10:18 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: Divisive was one-sided with Trump.  Biden has spoken consistently about attempts to unite both sides... Trump openly threw gas on the flames.  

And I am a conservative who has voted Republican every election until this year (so I guess you misread my earlier comments).  But I am 100% anti-Trump... so if that is a bias, I proudly admit it.  Trump is a  pathetic child.  Can you imagine how bad conservatives would have got at Obama if he said and done any of the ridiculous things Trump does on a weekly basis?  I mean, just about the military alone... complete disaster.  History will not be kind to anyone who supported that clown.


Haha... nope.  But if by writing style you mean highly educated and intelligent, then we take that as a compliment.  You can go see my and Mikesez' spirited discussions on the football board about QBR a few days back.

Yeah, I see the correct spelling, the wide vocabulary, the correct grammar - it ends there though.  You are more direct and less snarky than me.

Laughing

(11-07-2020, 11:12 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(11-07-2020, 10:18 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: Divisive was one-sided with Trump.  Biden has spoken consistently about attempts to unite both sides... Trump openly threw gas on the flames.  

And I am a conservative who has voted Republican every election until this year (so I guess you misread my earlier comments).  But I am 100% anti-Trump... so if that is a bias, I proudly admit it.  Trump is a  pathetic child.  Can you imagine how bad conservatives would have got at Obama if he said and done any of the ridiculous things Trump does on a weekly basis?  I mean, just about the military alone... complete disaster.  History will not be kind to anyone who supported that clown.


Haha... nope.  But if by writing style you mean highly educated and intelligent, then we take that as a compliment.  You can go see my and Mikesez' spirited discussions on the football board about QBR a few days back.
And you forgot "humble" too...

I didn't forget... I was just being modest.   Cool
This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.
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(11-07-2020, 06:13 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote:
(11-07-2020, 06:07 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: I didn’t say anything about voting twice. You should read it more carefully if you want to talk about cluelessness. Also, if that’s the argument style you choose, then I should simply call you a socialist every time you post. Whether it incapsulates you is immaterial, right?

Were democrats QAnons when they pushed the idea that Trump got into office because of Russian election interference or does it only work for you?

So I'm a conservative socialist?  I'm not sure you understand what the word "socialist" means then.

No... the Trump election interference was based on presented facts.  The Mueller Report did not exonerate the president.   He was impeached by the House, not by the senate.  It was partisan politics with no trial, but facts were presented.  QAnon is baseless and factless non-sense that no self-respecting person would believe (but there appears to be several on this message board)  lmao

(11-07-2020, 06:11 PM)StroudCrowd1 Wrote: No wars. Ended ISIS. Keeping a watchful eye on new administrations foreign policy. Few things to watch. 

1. Will KJU "test" us again by launching over Japan again?
2. What happens with China? Will he release tarrifs?
3. Will he impact all the peace deals Trump brokered?
4. Will we go back to hating Israel as we did for 8 years of Obama/Biden?
5. Will he increase troops in the middle east or withdraw?

So much to watch. If he becomes incapacitated, Kamala has zero foreign policy chops. 

Will be interesting to watch.

Other than stoking a civil war, yah... great job.

 You’re entire effort to label those that disagree with you as QAnon takes the same amount of effort as me telling you you’re socialist if you share a similar belief as an actual socialist. Im not actually calling you a socialist, but you don’t seem to understand the points that have been made today. 

As for Democrats pushing impeachment, they didn’t have facts when the started the investigation. They had suspicions, rumors, and speculation. They used these to start an investigation and spent four years telling us election interference happened. Now, when we ask for an investigation into election interference based on suspicions, rumors, and speculation, were labeled as QAnon. 

Mikesez may be the only one that believes you’re conservative. I completely understand people hating Trump for various reasons. I don’t, however, understand when a so-called conservative votes for a leftist like Biden because Trump says mean things. An actual conservative may or may not vote for Trump but they don’t vote for Biden.
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(11-07-2020, 11:16 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(11-07-2020, 10:18 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: Divisive was one-sided with Trump.  Biden has spoken consistently about attempts to unite both sides... Trump openly threw gas on the flames.  

And I am a conservative who has voted Republican every election until this year (so I guess you misread my earlier comments).  But I am 100% anti-Trump... so if that is a bias, I proudly admit it.  Trump is a  pathetic child.  Can you imagine how bad conservatives would have got at Obama if he said and done any of the ridiculous things Trump does on a weekly basis?  I mean, just about the military alone... complete disaster.  History will not be kind to anyone who supported that clown.


Haha... nope.  But if by writing style you mean highly educated and intelligent, then we take that as a compliment.  You can go see my and Mikesez' spirited discussions on the football board about QBR a few days back.

Yeah, I see the correct spelling, the wide vocabulary, the correct grammar - it ends there though.  You are more direct and less snarky than me.

It's cute how you talk to yourself like that.
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(11-07-2020, 05:45 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: Calling everyone you disagree with a QAnon conspiracy theorist is boring and unoriginal.

But he's a "conservative".  Where have I heard that one before.
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(11-08-2020, 12:56 AM)JagNGeorgia Wrote:
(11-07-2020, 06:13 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: So I'm a conservative socialist?  I'm not sure you understand what the word "socialist" means then.

No... the Trump election interference was based on presented facts.  The Mueller Report did not exonerate the president.   He was impeached by the House, not by the senate.  It was partisan politics with no trial, but facts were presented.  QAnon is baseless and factless non-sense that no self-respecting person would believe (but there appears to be several on this message board)  lmao


Other than stoking a civil war, yah... great job.

 You’re entire effort to label those that disagree with you as QAnon takes the same amount of effort as me telling you you’re socialist if you share a similar belief as an actual socialist. Im not actually calling you a socialist, but you don’t seem to understand the points that have been made today. 

As for Democrats pushing impeachment, they didn’t have facts when the started the investigation. They had suspicions, rumors, and speculation. They used these to start an investigation and spent four years telling us election interference happened. Now, when we ask for an investigation into election interference based on suspicions, rumors, and speculation, were labeled as QAnon. 

Mikesez may be the only one that believes you’re conservative. I completely understand people hating Trump for various reasons. I don’t, however, understand when a so-called conservative votes for a leftist like Biden because Trump says mean things. An actual conservative may or may not vote for Trump but they don’t vote for Biden.

Obviously you did not read the Mueller Report.  The facts are there.  They are not there with QAnon.  If you think the election was rigged, show the proof.  If not, shut up and take it like a man.

I have been a moderate conservative/ Republican my entire life... but I could care less if you think I'm conservative or not.  If the GOP keeps moving radically to the right with the Trumpism and QAnon, I will gladly join the other side.  I place American issues over party loyalty. The GOP under Trump has become the party of science deniers, tax cuts for the rich that run up the deficit, zero fiscal responsibility, and a lack of Christian values.

When the Democrats like Biden have become the moderates, the GOP has a major problem.

(11-08-2020, 12:58 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(11-07-2020, 11:16 PM)mikesez Wrote: Yeah, I see the correct spelling, the wide vocabulary, the correct grammar - it ends there though.  You are more direct and less snarky than me.

It's cute how you talk to yourself like that.

Its cute how angry you get.
This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.
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(11-08-2020, 01:17 AM)jj82284 Wrote:
(11-07-2020, 05:45 PM)JagNGeorgia Wrote: Calling everyone you disagree with a QAnon conspiracy theorist is boring and unoriginal.

But he's a "conservative".  Where have I heard that one before.


Kinda like how some idiot used to cry "Fake news!" when a story broke that failed to prop him up...boring and unoriginal.
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(11-08-2020, 12:56 AM)JagNGeorgia Wrote:
(11-07-2020, 06:13 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: So I'm a conservative socialist?  I'm not sure you understand what the word "socialist" means then.

No... the Trump election interference was based on presented facts.  The Mueller Report did not exonerate the president.   He was impeached by the House, not by the senate.  It was partisan politics with no trial, but facts were presented.  QAnon is baseless and factless non-sense that no self-respecting person would believe (but there appears to be several on this message board)  lmao


Other than stoking a civil war, yah... great job.

 You’re entire effort to label those that disagree with you as QAnon takes the same amount of effort as me telling you you’re socialist if you share a similar belief as an actual socialist. Im not actually calling you a socialist, but you don’t seem to understand the points that have been made today. 

As for Democrats pushing impeachment, they didn’t have facts when the started the investigation. They had suspicions, rumors, and speculation. They used these to start an investigation and spent four years telling us election interference happened. Now, when we ask for an investigation into election interference based on suspicions, rumors, and speculation, were labeled as QAnon. 

Mikesez may be the only one that believes you’re conservative. I completely understand people hating Trump for various reasons. I don’t, however, understand when a so-called conservative votes for a leftist like Biden because Trump says mean things. An actual conservative may or may not vote for Trump but they don’t vote for Biden.

That's not why I voted Biden.
I agree, if saying mean things was the only problem Trump had, I probably would have voted for him.
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(11-08-2020, 08:09 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(11-08-2020, 12:56 AM)JagNGeorgia Wrote:  You’re entire effort to label those that disagree with you as QAnon takes the same amount of effort as me telling you you’re socialist if you share a similar belief as an actual socialist. Im not actually calling you a socialist, but you don’t seem to understand the points that have been made today. 

As for Democrats pushing impeachment, they didn’t have facts when the started the investigation. They had suspicions, rumors, and speculation. They used these to start an investigation and spent four years telling us election interference happened. Now, when we ask for an investigation into election interference based on suspicions, rumors, and speculation, were labeled as QAnon. 

Mikesez may be the only one that believes you’re conservative. I completely understand people hating Trump for various reasons. I don’t, however, understand when a so-called conservative votes for a leftist like Biden because Trump says mean things. An actual conservative may or may not vote for Trump but they don’t vote for Biden.

That's not why I voted Biden.
I agree, if saying mean things was the only problem Trump had, I probably would have voted for him.

Well, as with my own, it seems that your vote didn't matter all that much.
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Who here mentioned QAnon? I am a poli sci major, and my friend is a very successful data scientist, and every number I have posted here we researched together. The down-ballot issue is finally gaining traction, and I brought that up 2 days ago. You are name calling and speaking in generalities. You have made one decent point, but disregard everything else. You also seem to be conflating something worthy of investigation with something worthy of conviction. There is enough irregularities in the swing state votes to raise suspicion. That doesn't prove people cheated, but it should be looked into. Trump shouldn't say they cheated without evidence. So, I acknowledge the guy is still reckless with his words. I have never objected to people who dislike Trump for that reason.
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(11-07-2020, 10:18 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote:
(11-07-2020, 07:31 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: You've already misread twice, just on this page. Divisive is two sided. You're showing your stripes. Talk about bias...

Divisive was one-sided with Trump.  Biden has spoken consistently about attempts to unite both sides... Trump openly threw gas on the flames.  
This is the price that conservatives play for allowing Cultural Supremacy, Academic Supremacy, and Media Dominance.  During Joe Biden's time as VP, BLM was invited to the white house.  This was @ a time when they were openly walking through the streets yelling, "pigs in a blanket, fry em like bacon" and one of their members assasinated 5 dallas police officers.  This group then sets about burning Down half the country with no condemnation from Biden or the Biden team.  On the west coast Antifa and their acolytes take over part of a US city and hold US citizens hostage in their own homes, but someone reasonably intelligent can sit here and actually say that it was TRUMP that was being divisive.  
I frankly Don't care that Trump was reckless with his language, my bigger concern is that he was remarkably inefficient.  The GOP will probably win more terms in the White House, but we will never have the celebrity and thus the platform that He has.  Call them fake news, call them enemies of the people all you want, but we didn't efficiently challenge their premise or offer a compelling counter narrative.
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(11-08-2020, 11:09 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Who here mentioned QAnon? I am a poli sci major, and my friend is a very successful data scientist, and every number I have posted here we researched together. The down-ballot issue is finally gaining traction, and I brought that up 2 days ago. You are name calling and speaking in generalities. You have made one decent point, but disregard everything else. You also seem to be conflating something worthy of investigation with something worthy of conviction. There is enough irregularities in the swing state votes to raise suspicion. That doesn't prove people cheated, but it should be looked into. Trump shouldn't say they cheated without evidence. So, I acknowledge the guy is still reckless with his words. I have never objected to people who dislike Trump for that reason.

You are a fraud.  You are just getting all you info off of other people's twitter posts and dropping it here.  You are doing no "research"... run along now.
This is a results-oriented business.  There are no trophies or titles given for "moral victories" or for "winning the draft".  Our record with DC is 37-86.  6-10 is our 2nd best season in 8 years of Caldwell leadership.  These are the FACTS.
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Namecalling? You lose.
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(11-08-2020, 01:18 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Namecalling? You lose.

Man, Dr. StatsMaster "Coach" All-Star Bundy, Esq. really tore you up.
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(11-08-2020, 01:04 PM)jj82284 Wrote:
(11-07-2020, 10:18 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote: Divisive was one-sided with Trump.  Biden has spoken consistently about attempts to unite both sides... Trump openly threw gas on the flames.  
This is the price that conservatives play for allowing Cultural Supremacy, Academic Supremacy, and Media Dominance.  During Joe Biden's time as VP, BLM was invited to the white house.  This was @ a time when they were openly walking through the streets yelling, "pigs in a blanket, fry em like bacon" and one of their members assasinated 5 dallas police officers.  This group then sets about burning Down half the country with no condemnation from Biden or the Biden team.  On the west coast Antifa and their acolytes take over part of a US city and hold US citizens hostage in their own homes, but someone reasonably intelligent can sit here and actually say that it was TRUMP that was being divisive.  
I frankly Don't care that Trump was reckless with his language, my bigger concern is that he was remarkably inefficient.  The GOP will probably win more terms in the White House, but we will never have the celebrity and thus the platform that He has.  Call them fake news, call them enemies of the people all you want, but we didn't efficiently challenge their premise or offer a compelling counter narrative.

I have no problem with BLM as a movement, but I don't like their organizational goals.  Those are 2 different things.  There are deplorables at both extremes...  if you talk about Antifa but disregard White Supremacists and the KKK, you are dealing with only half the problem.

Words matter from a president... so does tone.  If you want to united people, you can't play to less than half of your electorate.  You may have no issue with his recklessness, but the majority of Americans did.  That is why he lost.  We need a Republican candidate with some dignity and class that reflects the traditional values of our party.

(11-08-2020, 01:21 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(11-08-2020, 01:18 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Namecalling? You lose.

Man, Dr. StatsMaster "Coach" All-Star Bundy, Esq. really tore you up.

Contributing your usual high-level intellect again I see.  Well done, Slappy!   Cool

I will keep our side conversations at your level of understanding so you can follow along.
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(11-08-2020, 01:22 PM)NeptuneBeachBum Wrote:
(11-08-2020, 01:04 PM)jj82284 Wrote: This is the price that conservatives play for allowing Cultural Supremacy, Academic Supremacy, and Media Dominance.  During Joe Biden's time as VP, BLM was invited to the white house.  This was @ a time when they were openly walking through the streets yelling, "pigs in a blanket, fry em like bacon" and one of their members assasinated 5 dallas police officers.  This group then sets about burning Down half the country with no condemnation from Biden or the Biden team.  On the west coast Antifa and their acolytes take over part of a US city and hold US citizens hostage in their own homes, but someone reasonably intelligent can sit here and actually say that it was TRUMP that was being divisive.  
I frankly Don't care that Trump was reckless with his language, my bigger concern is that he was remarkably inefficient.  The GOP will probably win more terms in the White House, but we will never have the celebrity and thus the platform that He has.  Call them fake news, call them enemies of the people all you want, but we didn't efficiently challenge their premise or offer a compelling counter narrative.

I have no problem with BLM as a movement, but I don't like their organizational goals.  Those are 2 different things.  There are deplorables at both extremes...  if you talk about Antifa but disregard White Supremacists and the KKK, you are dealing with only half the problem.

Words matter from a president... so does tone.  If you want to united people, you can't play to less than half of your electorate.  You may have no issue with his recklessness, but the majority of Americans did.  That is why he lost.  We need a Republican candidate with some dignity and class that reflects the traditional values of our party.

(11-08-2020, 01:21 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Man, Dr. StatsMaster "Coach" All-Star Bundy, Esq. really tore you up.

Contributing you usual high-level intellect again I see.  Well done Slappy!   Cool

If you want to unite people, maybe you could start by not calling 70m people Hitler supporters and white supremacists.
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(11-08-2020, 08:26 AM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(11-08-2020, 08:09 AM)mikesez Wrote: That's not why I voted Biden.
I agree, if saying mean things was the only problem Trump had, I probably would have voted for him.

Well, as with my own, it seems that your vote didn't matter all that much.

Yep.
We all need to stay humble.
There was a county fair, and before they would let you in, you had to guess the weight of a fat man in a tuxedo.
One person said, "I bet they put lead weights in his pockets.  I'm going to guess 350." The next person said, "I think they stuffed that tuxedo with polyester fill.  I'm going to guess 200."
They were both wrong.  They didn't have all the information, and they made assumptions.  But their answers, along with all the other answers, averaged out to 275, which was very close to the truth.
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I'm curious if "conservative " Mike emerges as we get closer to the 2024 election.

Something to watch.
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(11-08-2020, 01:18 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Namecalling? You lose.

You are exposed... you lose.  You literally dropped the same chart on this board that was all over twitter, and you pawned it off as the work of you and your "buddy".   Laughing
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