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Glennon starting again against the Vikings, Gardner benched.

#1
(This post was last modified: 12-02-2020, 01:06 PM by mal234.)

According to various people on Twitter including local reporter Eugene Frenette Mike will be starting against the Vikings. Acoording to him and others Doug, Ben and Jay think that Mike gives the team the "best chance to win". I had a feeling this was going to happen.

I have to wonder how genuine this belief is. Granted Mike was decent in last week's game but I wonder if they really believe he will keep that type of play up. He could play decently this week and keep the starting job for the rest of the season. But he could also play poorly.

I think that one reason the coaches made this move is becuase they are mad Gardner didn't disclose his injury. Other people are speculating it's because they want to tank. Though if that's the case the easiest way to do that would be going back to Jake. Maybe they feel Glennon is the best choice to "competitvely" tank. And are concerned Gardner might have a better shot at winning games. I don't believe that overall Glennon is better than Gardner. His game last week while decent was not better than Gardner's first two games this season IMO.

Anyway, this doesn't bode well for Gardner or his future in Jacksonville. I saw on Twitter a a tweet saying the coaches haven't decided if Gardner or Jake will back up Mike. If that's the case that's even worse for Gardner. Him even being considered being relegated to 3rd string is rough let alone if it actually happens. Say what you want about Gardner but he doesn't deserve to be third string QB behind Jake. If that happens I definitely think that increases his chance of being traded. Which I still think could happen.

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#2

Just shows how utterly unfit Marrone is as a head coach. He is never getting another opportunity at the top again.

#3

I think Doug is just going through the motions at this point. Player X played okay last week... we'll start him this week. When Glennon tosses up a dud against the Vikes he'll go back to Minshew and claim he wanted to make sure he was perfectly healthy and had gotten enough reps in at practice.
And then.... come Black Monday no matter what happens at this point I believe Doug is released.

Then again we could just be seeing the finality of the end of the Minshew Mania era.
New regime is going to totally go through the roster in the off season and I could see the QB room looking completely different. Luton still has PS eligibility I think. Minshew moved for a late round pick or retained as a solid back up. Glennon will be journeymanning on to his next stop.

#4

It really does look like Minshew is firmly stuck in someone's doghouse.  However, I agree that the best tank scenario is to start Luton for the rest of the season.  I mean, if not for Morron's decisions to go for 2, we would have been in position to tie and possibly win the last game.  Morron is becoming our best ace-in-the-hole to achieve the tank.
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#5

It's just some poor man's version of "rolling with the hot hand."

I wouldn't read into it too much.

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#6

As long as Glennon doesn't make a mistake and win the game, I am fine with it.

#7

(12-02-2020, 01:12 PM)TrivialPursuit Wrote: Just shows how utterly unfit Marrone is as a head coach. He is never getting another opportunity at the top again.

Doug says he and the coaches want to get a longer look at Mike. I wonder exactly for what. I don't think they believe that Mike is a long term solution at QB for the Jags. So maybe to see if should be the #2 QB and/or a bridge/mentor to a top QB they draft next year. If that's the case then I definitely think that Gardner is traded. He shouldn't be the #3 QB on this team, IMO.

There could be some interesting and unforunate ramifications to this decision. What if Mike actually wins games and knocks the Jags out of the #2 spot. There are five games left and the team has been playing more competitively. Now I personally like to see the team win, but I know others want them to continue to lose and keep their draft status. I do think that the Jets may end up picking #1 regardless of what the Jags do. And I wonder about some other teams who have been playing poorly as well. (and only have like three wins).

If Mike actually helps the Jags win some games, it would be something to see what may end up happening next year. And if he ends up playing poorly (and looks worse than Gardner has in his worst looking games this year, then they don't look good, because they chose him over a healthy Gardner. He could also end up up playing decently but the team still loses. Which will hurt them as well, because the team is still losing. 

(12-02-2020, 01:17 PM)Kane Wrote: I think Doug is just going through the motions at this point. Player X played okay last week... we'll start him this week. When Glennon tosses up a dud against the Vikes he'll go back to Minshew and claim he wanted to make sure he was perfectly healthy and had gotten enough reps in at practice.
And then.... come Black Monday no matter what happens at this point I believe Doug is released.

Then again we could just be seeing the finality of the end of the Minshew Mania era.
New regime is going to totally go through the roster in the off season and I could see the QB room looking completely different. Luton still has PS eligibility I think. Minshew moved for a late round pick or retained as a solid back up. Glennon will be journeymanning on to his next stop.
I saw reports that Doug could juggle QB's around, but that IMO is not giving the team "the best chance to win."

I also think that Doug is probably already out the door. And unfortunately, I think this could be the end of the Minshew Mania era in Jacksonville. I don't think that Doug was ever the biggest fan of Gardner to begin with. We saw how quickly he benched Gardner after his outing against the Texans last year even though he had the team at .500 and showed promise. And I think that Doug and possibly the coaching staff in general are still mad about Gardner not disclosing his thumb injury. They probably wished he would have told them earlier, so they could have had a better chance of salvaging the season. That's unfortunate for Gardner, he does love Jacksonville and even recently bought a house there. But I think he may end up having to put that house back on the market. I could see him getting traded to another team for a pick.

Gardner may not start again, especially if he's relegated to the #3 QB position. Though, it's also possible Mike may end up having poor play and maybe Gardner is inserted back into the lineup.

I do think we will have a completely new regime next year (with maybe Gruden being an exception) and I think that if the Jags keep the #2 spot they will draft a QB. And probably will draft one anyway, especially if they remain in the top 5.

#8

(12-02-2020, 01:17 PM)Kane Wrote: I think Doug is just going through the motions at this point. Player X played okay last week... we'll start him this week. When Glennon tosses up a dud against the Vikes he'll go back to Minshew and claim he wanted to make sure he was perfectly healthy and had gotten enough reps in at practice.
And then.... come Black Monday no matter what happens at this point I believe Doug is released.

Then again we could just be seeing the finality of the end of the Minshew Mania era.
New regime is going to totally go through the roster in the off season and I could see the QB room looking completely different. Luton still has PS eligibility I think. Minshew moved for a late round pick or retained as a solid back up. Glennon will be journeymanning on to his next stop.

No GM worth a salt is going to want to keep a bologna sandwich for a head coach. Because the new GM will draft another QB, firing Marrone the next year would set back the QB's development by hiring another coaching staff. Doesn't make sense, unless the new GM would have hired Marrone in the first place, which is nobody except Coughlin.
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#9

(12-02-2020, 01:21 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: It's just some poor man's version of "rolling with the hot hand."

I wouldn't read into it too much.
Hot-ish hand.
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#10

Honestly ... nothing the bologna does at this point will make a bit of difference.
He will be gone soon and GM15 will still be here.
Glennon probably has a one year contract and who the heck has the authority to give him a new one?
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#11

I mean, does it really matter? I'm finding it difficult to see a difference in anything.

#12
(This post was last modified: 12-02-2020, 04:43 PM by NewJagsCity.)

(12-02-2020, 04:31 PM)Jagsfan4life9/28/82 Wrote: I mean, does it really matter? I'm finding it difficult to see a difference in anything.

Well, he went 5 - 13 during his tenure with the Bucs. That's not good, but enough to foul up our 2021 draft order with a win. He played a turnover free game against the Browns, and threw for decent yardage against a pretty good defense, injuries notwithstanding. Luton is the safer bet for successfully executing tank mode.
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#13

Tony Khan or whoever the interim GM is needs to be giving direct orders to the coaching staff that our job is to LOSE at all costs.. we seriously can’t afford to win another game. This years draft is soo important to our future, we have a potential shot at a franchise QB in this draft, and we can’t afford to blow it. If we don’t get Lawrence or Fields, I can say that we are screwed. I love Minshew, but he needs a much better supporting cast than we can provide in order to succeed. A true Franchise QB instantly makes us better.

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#14

Marrone seems bitter about minshew not disclosing the thumb. So now he’s going to be a child and sit him for a guy that won’t be here next year.

#15

(12-02-2020, 03:47 PM)Dimson Wrote:
(12-02-2020, 01:21 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: It's just some poor man's version of "rolling with the hot hand."

I wouldn't read into it too much.
Hot-ish hand.

Lukewarm? Tepid?

#16

(12-03-2020, 08:28 AM)FatimaJaguar Wrote: Marrone seems bitter about minshew not disclosing the thumb.  So now he’s going to be a child and sit him for a guy that won’t be here next year.

I guess it takes one to know one?
“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato


#17

Interestingly enough, players making their 1st start on a new team (or even new system) usually bode well since the opponents don't have game film on them. We've seen it here this year with all 3 QBs as Minshew opened hot vs Indy with our new system (lots of misdirections and short passes), Luton looked decent, and Glennon didn't suck. That said, Minshew and Luton both got worse progressively as defenses had more game film to study on them. I'm sure the same will hold true for Glennon as time goes on.

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#18

Told ya! Called this weeks ago. Yet another QB thrown under the bus as they cant outscore Wash's inept D. 

3 years, 3 QB changes. Just do what all the others have Minshew, get as far away from this cursed franchise as you can before it ruins your career.

#19

Yeah I would be more worried about an accidental win with Minshew coming back. Hopefully the next GM is smart enough to keep Minshew as backup for Fields.

#20

It has been mandated that he play because everyone knows, " You ain't winnin' with Glennon. "
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