So you would rather a win against the Bears this week than multiple possible SB's and the best QB prospect since Peyton Manning?  I dont think anyone is saying the players should try to lose just as a fan this is a possibly a one in a lifetime opportunity for us and we need these next 2 losses to get one of the All time great QB prospects.

I'm saying that I grew up playing competitive sports since I was in grade school.  I was taught never to give up and no matter what always try to win.  I would like to think that the professional players and coaches on this team have the same mentality, no matter the record and they make every effort to win.

As I said before, Herm Edwards had it right.  If the game "just doesn't matter anymore" because of the record, it's time to leave the sport.  That goes for players and coaches.

A perceived "best QB prospect since Peyton Manning" doesn't mean "multiple SB wins".  For all we know Trevor Lawrence could be just another "Johnny Football".

Yes. They’re going to try and win but they’re not good. They’re very bad.

The players are going to try and win but as fans, it doesn’t matter. 1-15 or 3-13..... they suck. And if 1-15 leads to a really great QB prospect with worse QB prospects after him, then that’s what’s best for the franchise. Period.

The Jags have a terrible draft record so let’s help them out a bit with having them think as little as possible. Surely you can understand this.

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If the NFL didn't want its fans talking this way, they would have gone to a draft lottery system long ago.

This is the system we have. When the first pick was out of reach, there wasn't much difference between picking second, or picking third or picking fourth, so sure, root for the Jags to win. When you're lined up to get the first pick, and the highest graded QB prospect since Andrew Luck is coming out, you'd better lose.

Someone needs to get in Marrone's ear and tell him that it would be best for everyone if Luton got more real game film. That interim GM needs to put a couple more guys on IR too.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Ryan Leaf was considered an all time great QB prospect. So was Jeff George. Brady was considered a project. The reality is, no one knows until they get to the league.

Awesome. Let's win these 2 for the gipper and stay on the same track!

No, let's get Lawrence but there's no guarantee he'll be the savior you're looking for. Most likely we'll need a couple of drafts to reboot this roster.

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Awesome. Let's win these 2 for the gipper and stay on the same track!

No, let's get Lawrence but there's no guarantee he'll be the savior you're looking for. Most likely we'll need a couple of drafts to reboot this roster.

No guarantees come with any player.

By that rationale, why draft at all?

Seriously, nobody asserts we go from 1-15 to Super Bowl champion in one offseason, even if Trevor Lawrence is everything we hope he is and we are able to draft him and he wants to play for us, he'll still need help.  

Think about any successful QB.  They all had surrounding talent to help make them successful.

But that fact would not negate his importance to this franchise in any way.  At the end of the day, he'll be one of 53.  The most important one, yes, but still just one of 53.

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So you would rather a win against the Bears this week than multiple possible SB's and the best QB prospect since Peyton Manning?  I dont think anyone is saying the players should try to lose just as a fan this is a possibly a one in a lifetime opportunity for us and we need these next 2 losses to get one of the All time great QB prospects.

I'm saying that I grew up playing competitive sports since I was in grade school.  I was taught never to give up and no matter what always try to win.  I would like to think that the professional players and coaches on this team have the same mentality, no matter the record and they make every effort to win.

As I said before, Herm Edwards had it right.  If the game "just doesn't matter anymore" because of the record, it's time to leave the sport.  That goes for players and coaches.

A perceived "best QB prospect since Peyton Manning" doesn't mean "multiple SB wins".  For all we know Trevor Lawrence could be just another "Johnny Football".

Of course that's what players think. 

But what a player thinks may not be in the best interests of the team.

There are players who think they were good enough to make the roster, but every year the coaches and FO disagree with that assertion.

There are players who think they deserve to be paid X amount of dollars a year and the team disagrees. 

Everything in their training teaches them to think you always try to win.  But if their skills do not translate into the ability to win games, then why should their efforts override the greater good of the team?

Give me a franchise QB any day over some bottom tier of the roster player trying to ensure he has a spot in the NFL anywhere.

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These players and coaches are professionals.  Period.  Their job is to win games.  Period.  I really couldn't care less if the Jaguars pick #1 overall or #20.  If they ever stop trying to win, no matter the record, that's when I stop being a fan.

Herm Edwards had it right.



If you truly think like that with only 2 games remaining, you’re an idiot and not a real fan of the jags.  Dumbest comment I’ve read.

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These players and coaches are professionals.  Period.  Their job is to win games.  Period.  I really couldn't care less if the Jaguars pick #1 overall or #20.  If they ever stop trying to win, no matter the record, that's when I stop being a fan.

Herm Edwards had it right.

Are you trying to win 2 meaningless games at the end of a long long long lost season, or are you trying to win Super Bowls (which typically involves winning a lot more than our current level) by positioning yourself to get a franchise QB?

You make it seem as if drafting superior players precludes the team and its players from trying to win.

Correct me if I am wrong, but aren't you among those who want Marrone fired?

Why? 

He's been trying to win...right?  He's professional, right?

So why fire him or any other former coach or GM who tried to win and was professional, but failed miserably?

You could make the argument that by trading away guys like Ramsey, Ngakoue, Campbell and Bouye, the organization is not trying to win. Their efforts to not win were pronounced that the team is on the verge of having the worst record in team history.

If so, then why does your loyalty to the team persist?

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But but but... he played sports!

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Rams lose to the 17 point underdog winless Jets. Now, the recently undefeated Pittsburgh Steelers are being shutout at the half by the lowly Bengals. I have an uneasy feeling about the upcoming Bears game. A trap game for them. They BETTER take us seriously.

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My reaction in facing the Bears and Colts in the last 2 games:

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It's such a Jaguar thing to do is win a pointless game.

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My reaction in facing the Bears and Colts in the last 2 games:

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Let's be realistic. Only Eli Manning has won a superbowl out of the QB first overall picks this century. It would be very Jaguars for the top QB to suck and the next drafted to be a Hall of famer.

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If Colts win next week and the Titans lose, Colts will be up 1 game in the division.

Does anyone know if the last game for the Colts will be important? For example, if Titans win and Colts lose Week 17, they both end up with the same record. Who wins the division?

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This is a super tough one. Luckly this is the first time the jags have been in the position to get the #1 pick. I always say to win no matter what but with two games left, it doesnt make sense to lose out on the first pick. Also, i think the jags could turn this around with a good draft and and maybe some free agents. Also need a good coach, gm and staff. Its a lot but possible. It would be great to have a season like 2017 again soon.

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If Colts win next week and the Titans lose, Colts will be up 1 game in the division.

Does anyone know if the last game for the Colts will be important?  For example, if Titans win and Colts lose Week 17, they both end up with the same record.  Who wins the division?

In that scenario, Colts still have to beat Jags. A loss would give them division record of 3-3, and cost them the division if both teams are tied at 11-5.

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Let's be realistic. Only Eli Manning has won a superbowl out of the QB first overall picks this century. It would be very Jaguars for the top QB to suck and the next drafted to be a Hall of famer.

This is not necessarily due to all the top 5 drafted QB’s, but due to franchises that bad normally cannot fix all their holes/issues before their Qb’s rookie deal is done.

And it is infinitely harder to field a Super bowl winning team without a QB on a rookie deal or giving a Brady like temporary cap discount.

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Awesome. Let's win these 2 for the gipper and stay on the same track!

No, let's get Lawrence but there's no guarantee he'll be the savior you're looking for. Most likely we'll need a couple of drafts to reboot this roster.

That is true, but I look at the Chargers- they have a losing record this year, but they've found a great young QB.  Their arrow is pointing up.  Way up.  I'd love to be in that position next year.

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It's such a Jaguar thing to do is win a pointless game.

That worries me.  Chicago isn't that good.  We're playing them at home.  After seeing the Jets beat the Rams in LA, anything is possible.  There's no way to persuade the players or the coaches not to play to win.  And they will try.  The next 2 weeks are going to be torture.

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No, let's get Lawrence but there's no guarantee he'll be the savior you're looking for. Most likely we'll need a couple of drafts to reboot this roster.

That is true, but I look at the Chargers- they have a losing record this year, but they've found a great young QB.  Their arrow is pointing up.  Way up.  I'd love to be in that position next year.

Imagine this...

Lawrence + 10 other draft picks (most of which can be quality starters). A new GM/HC combo. A boatload of money in FA.

The arrow will most certainly be pointing up with Lawrence - and no other QB in this upcoming class can offer the same coming out of the draft. We need to ensure two more losses to secure our future.

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No, let's get Lawrence but there's no guarantee he'll be the savior you're looking for. Most likely we'll need a couple of drafts to reboot this roster.

That is true, but I look at the Chargers- they have a losing record this year, but they've found a great young QB.  Their arrow is pointing up.  Way up.  I'd love to be in that position next year.

Agreed. I have a feeling I'll feel as much optimism (I hope) about the new front office/staff as I will about Lawrence if we manage to get him.

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No, let's get Lawrence but there's no guarantee he'll be the savior you're looking for. Most likely we'll need a couple of drafts to reboot this roster.

No guarantees come with any player.

By that rationale, why draft at all?

Seriously, nobody asserts we go from 1-15 to Super Bowl champion in one offseason, even if Trevor Lawrence is everything we hope he is and we are able to draft him and he wants to play for us, he'll still need help.  

Think about any successful QB.  They all had surrounding talent to help make them successful.

But that fact would not negate his importance to this franchise in any way.  At the end of the day, he'll be one of 53.  The most important one, yes, but still just one of 53.

Are you sure? Sounds to me like a few people are saying this pick is guaranteed to turn the franchise around. Like I said, nothing is guaranteed and it sounds like you agree. Getting the right staff and drafting better on both lines is equally as important.

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