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01-11-2021, 01:48 PM
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(01-11-2021, 01:24 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: Can someone cite the specific words used by Trump to incite violence?
If you read the speech, and you want to deny that he invited the riot, you won't find anything there to change your mind.
And if you read it believing that he did incite the riot, you will see it all over the place.
A lot of the people in the crowd obviously wanted to believe he was directing them to violence. They heard it that way and they acted that way.
The irony is, in the aftermath, it's the Democrats who believe and the Republicans who doubt.
Funny how that works.
My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.
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(01-11-2021, 02:00 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: Again, can someone cite the specific words used by Trump to incite violence?
Additionally, can someone cite the specific words used by Trump which warranted his Twitter ban?
The game you're trying to play is transparent.
You're hoping someone will copy and paste the words here, in the context of a football forum, then you will respond with a copy and paste of some Democrat seeming to say the same thing, only, again, with no context, and then you'll say, "see! The hypocrisy!"
Yawn.
Get a life.
My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.
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(01-11-2021, 01:24 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: Can someone cite the specific words used by Trump to incite violence?
Calling the outcome of the election “this egregious assault on our democracy,” he said his supporters should “walk down to the Capitol.”
“We are going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women,” he continued, “and we are probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them — because you will never take back our country with weakness.”
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,]Before the president took the stage, his personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani addressed the crowd and called for “trial by combat” against the Democrats to win the election.[/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,]Mr. Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., warmed up the audience by warning of challenges to Republican members of Congress who did not back the pro-Trump efforts: “We’re coming for you,” he said.[/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,]“There’s no question the president formed the mob,” Representative Liz Cheney, Republican from Wyoming, told Fox News. “The president incited the mob. The president addressed the mob. He lit the flame.”[/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,]exact quotes from transcript:[/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,]All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical left Democrats, which is what they’re doing and stolen by the fake news media. That’s what they’ve done and what they’re doing. We will never give up. We will never concede, it doesn’t happen. You don’t concede when there’s theft involved.
Our country has had enough. We will not take it any more and that’s what this is all about. To use a favourite term that all of you people really came up with, we will stop the steal.[/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,]We didn’t lose.[/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,]By the way, does anybody believe that Joe had 80 million votes? Does anybody believe that? He had 80 million computer votes. It’s a disgrace. There’s never been anything like that. You could take third world countries. Just take a look, take third world countries. Their elections are more honest than what we’ve been going through in this country. It’s a disgrace. It’s a disgrace. Even when you look at last night, they’re all running around like chickens with their heads cut off with boxes. Nobody knows what the hell is going on. There’s never been anything like this. We will not let them silence your voices. We’re not going to let it happen. Not going to let it happen.
[/font][/font][/font][/font]
Crowd: Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump!
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,]Thank you. I’d love to have, if those tens of thousands of people would be allowed, the military, the secret service, and we want to thank you, and the police law enforcement. Great. You’re doing a great job, but I’d love it if they could be allowed to come up here with us. [/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]All Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify, and we become president, and you are the happiest people.
[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]I just spoke to Mike. I said, ‘Mike, that doesn’t take courage. What takes courage is to do nothing. That takes courage,’ and then we’re stuck with a president who lost the election by a lot, and we have to live with that for four more years. We’re just not going to let that happen.[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]Even if you’re going to do it, don’t talk about it. Unbelievable, what we have to go through, what we have to go through and you have to get your people to fight. If they don’t fight, we have to primary the hell out of the ones that don’t fight. You primary them. We’re going to let you know who they are. I can already tell you, frankly.[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]It’s a pure theft in American history, everybody knows it. That election, our election was over at 10:00 in the evening. We’re leading Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia by hundreds of thousands of votes, and then late in the evening or early in the morning, boom, these explosions of and [BLEEP], and all of a sudden. All of a sudden it started to happen.[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]We don’t have a free and fair press.
[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]Our media is not free. It’s not fair. It suppresses thought. It suppresses speech, and it’s become the enemy of the people. It’s become the enemy of the people. It’s the biggest problem we have in this country. No third world countries would even attempt to do what we caught them doing and you’ll hear about that in just a few minutes. Republicans are constantly fighting like a boxer with his hands tied behind his back. It’s like a boxer, and we want to be so nice. We want to be so respectful of everybody, including bad people. We’re going to have to fight much harder and Mike Pence is going to have to come through for us. If he doesn’t, that will be a sad day for our country because you’re sworn to uphold our constitution.[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]Now it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. After this, we’re going to walk down and I’ll be there with you. We’re going to walk down. We’re going to walk down any one you want, but I think right here. We’re going walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators, and congressmen and women. We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated. [/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]Then he just goes on with more ridiculous lies and unfounded claims.[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]Not a ton of direct inciting. Tons of fomenting and metric tons of lies. [/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
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(01-11-2021, 02:59 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: (01-11-2021, 01:24 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: Can someone cite the specific words used by Trump to incite violence?
Calling the outcome of the election “this egregious assault on our democracy,” he said his supporters should “walk down to the Capitol.”
“We are going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women,” he continued, “and we are probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them — because you will never take back our country with weakness.”
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,]Before the president took the stage, his personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani addressed the crowd and called for “trial by combat” against the Democrats to win the election.[/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,]Mr. Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., warmed up the audience by warning of challenges to Republican members of Congress who did not back the pro-Trump efforts: “We’re coming for you,” he said.[/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,]“There’s no question the president formed the mob,” Representative Liz Cheney, Republican from Wyoming, told Fox News. “The president incited the mob. The president addressed the mob. He lit the flame.”[/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,]exact quotes from transcript:[/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,]All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical left Democrats, which is what they’re doing and stolen by the fake news media. That’s what they’ve done and what they’re doing. We will never give up. We will never concede, it doesn’t happen. You don’t concede when there’s theft involved.
Our country has had enough. We will not take it any more and that’s what this is all about. To use a favourite term that all of you people really came up with, we will stop the steal.[/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,]We didn’t lose.[/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,]By the way, does anybody believe that Joe had 80 million votes? Does anybody believe that? He had 80 million computer votes. It’s a disgrace. There’s never been anything like that. You could take third world countries. Just take a look, take third world countries. Their elections are more honest than what we’ve been going through in this country. It’s a disgrace. It’s a disgrace. Even when you look at last night, they’re all running around like chickens with their heads cut off with boxes. Nobody knows what the hell is going on. There’s never been anything like this. We will not let them silence your voices. We’re not going to let it happen. Not going to let it happen.
[/font][/font][/font][/font]
Crowd: Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump!
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,]Thank you. I’d love to have, if those tens of thousands of people would be allowed, the military, the secret service, and we want to thank you, and the police law enforcement. Great. You’re doing a great job, but I’d love it if they could be allowed to come up here with us. [/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]All Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify, and we become president, and you are the happiest people.
[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]I just spoke to Mike. I said, ‘Mike, that doesn’t take courage. What takes courage is to do nothing. That takes courage,’ and then we’re stuck with a president who lost the election by a lot, and we have to live with that for four more years. We’re just not going to let that happen.[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]Even if you’re going to do it, don’t talk about it. Unbelievable, what we have to go through, what we have to go through and you have to get your people to fight. If they don’t fight, we have to primary the hell out of the ones that don’t fight. You primary them. We’re going to let you know who they are. I can already tell you, frankly.[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]It’s a pure theft in American history, everybody knows it. That election, our election was over at 10:00 in the evening. We’re leading Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia by hundreds of thousands of votes, and then late in the evening or early in the morning, boom, these explosions of and [BLEEP], and all of a sudden. All of a sudden it started to happen.[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]We don’t have a free and fair press.
[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]Our media is not free. It’s not fair. It suppresses thought. It suppresses speech, and it’s become the enemy of the people. It’s become the enemy of the people. It’s the biggest problem we have in this country. No third world countries would even attempt to do what we caught them doing and you’ll hear about that in just a few minutes. Republicans are constantly fighting like a boxer with his hands tied behind his back. It’s like a boxer, and we want to be so nice. We want to be so respectful of everybody, including bad people. We’re going to have to fight much harder and Mike Pence is going to have to come through for us. If he doesn’t, that will be a sad day for our country because you’re sworn to uphold our constitution.[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]Now it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. After this, we’re going to walk down and I’ll be there with you. We’re going to walk down. We’re going to walk down any one you want, but I think right here. We’re going walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators, and congressmen and women. We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated. [/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]Then he just goes on with more ridiculous lies and unfounded claims.[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]Not a ton of direct inciting. Tons of fomenting and metric tons of lies. [/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
You conveniently left this out:
“ I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.”
Madonna said the White House should be burned down. What’s the status of her Twitter account?
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(01-11-2021, 03:11 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: (01-11-2021, 02:59 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Calling the outcome of the election “this egregious assault on our democracy,” he said his supporters should “walk down to the Capitol.”
“We are going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women,” he continued, “and we are probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them — because you will never take back our country with weakness.”
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,]Before the president took the stage, his personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani addressed the crowd and called for “trial by combat” against the Democrats to win the election.[/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,]Mr. Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., warmed up the audience by warning of challenges to Republican members of Congress who did not back the pro-Trump efforts: “We’re coming for you,” he said.[/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,]“There’s no question the president formed the mob,” Representative Liz Cheney, Republican from Wyoming, told Fox News. “The president incited the mob. The president addressed the mob. He lit the flame.”[/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,]exact quotes from transcript:[/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,]All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical left Democrats, which is what they’re doing and stolen by the fake news media. That’s what they’ve done and what they’re doing. We will never give up. We will never concede, it doesn’t happen. You don’t concede when there’s theft involved.
Our country has had enough. We will not take it any more and that’s what this is all about. To use a favourite term that all of you people really came up with, we will stop the steal.[/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,]We didn’t lose.[/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,]By the way, does anybody believe that Joe had 80 million votes? Does anybody believe that? He had 80 million computer votes. It’s a disgrace. There’s never been anything like that. You could take third world countries. Just take a look, take third world countries. Their elections are more honest than what we’ve been going through in this country. It’s a disgrace. It’s a disgrace. Even when you look at last night, they’re all running around like chickens with their heads cut off with boxes. Nobody knows what the hell is going on. There’s never been anything like this. We will not let them silence your voices. We’re not going to let it happen. Not going to let it happen.
[/font][/font][/font][/font]
Crowd: Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump!
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,]Thank you. I’d love to have, if those tens of thousands of people would be allowed, the military, the secret service, and we want to thank you, and the police law enforcement. Great. You’re doing a great job, but I’d love it if they could be allowed to come up here with us. [/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]All Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify, and we become president, and you are the happiest people.
[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]I just spoke to Mike. I said, ‘Mike, that doesn’t take courage. What takes courage is to do nothing. That takes courage,’ and then we’re stuck with a president who lost the election by a lot, and we have to live with that for four more years. We’re just not going to let that happen.[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]Even if you’re going to do it, don’t talk about it. Unbelievable, what we have to go through, what we have to go through and you have to get your people to fight. If they don’t fight, we have to primary the hell out of the ones that don’t fight. You primary them. We’re going to let you know who they are. I can already tell you, frankly.[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]It’s a pure theft in American history, everybody knows it. That election, our election was over at 10:00 in the evening. We’re leading Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia by hundreds of thousands of votes, and then late in the evening or early in the morning, boom, these explosions of and [BLEEP], and all of a sudden. All of a sudden it started to happen.[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]We don’t have a free and fair press.
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[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]Our media is not free. It’s not fair. It suppresses thought. It suppresses speech, and it’s become the enemy of the people. It’s become the enemy of the people. It’s the biggest problem we have in this country. No third world countries would even attempt to do what we caught them doing and you’ll hear about that in just a few minutes. Republicans are constantly fighting like a boxer with his hands tied behind his back. It’s like a boxer, and we want to be so nice. We want to be so respectful of everybody, including bad people. We’re going to have to fight much harder and Mike Pence is going to have to come through for us. If he doesn’t, that will be a sad day for our country because you’re sworn to uphold our constitution.[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]Now it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. After this, we’re going to walk down and I’ll be there with you. We’re going to walk down. We’re going to walk down any one you want, but I think right here. We’re going walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators, and congressmen and women. We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated. [/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]Then he just goes on with more ridiculous lies and unfounded claims.[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]Not a ton of direct inciting. Tons of fomenting and metric tons of lies. [/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
You conveniently left this out:
“I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.”
Madonna said the White House should be burned down. What’s the status of her Twitter account?
The weather must be nice is Bizarro World cause they're sure dug in..
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(01-11-2021, 03:11 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: (01-11-2021, 02:59 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Calling the outcome of the election “this egregious assault on our democracy,” he said his supporters should “walk down to the Capitol.”
“We are going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women,” he continued, “and we are probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them — because you will never take back our country with weakness.”
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,]Before the president took the stage, his personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani addressed the crowd and called for “trial by combat” against the Democrats to win the election.[/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,]Mr. Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., warmed up the audience by warning of challenges to Republican members of Congress who did not back the pro-Trump efforts: “We’re coming for you,” he said.[/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,]“There’s no question the president formed the mob,” Representative Liz Cheney, Republican from Wyoming, told Fox News. “The president incited the mob. The president addressed the mob. He lit the flame.”[/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,]exact quotes from transcript:[/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,]All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical left Democrats, which is what they’re doing and stolen by the fake news media. That’s what they’ve done and what they’re doing. We will never give up. We will never concede, it doesn’t happen. You don’t concede when there’s theft involved.
Our country has had enough. We will not take it any more and that’s what this is all about. To use a favourite term that all of you people really came up with, we will stop the steal.[/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,]We didn’t lose.[/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,]By the way, does anybody believe that Joe had 80 million votes? Does anybody believe that? He had 80 million computer votes. It’s a disgrace. There’s never been anything like that. You could take third world countries. Just take a look, take third world countries. Their elections are more honest than what we’ve been going through in this country. It’s a disgrace. It’s a disgrace. Even when you look at last night, they’re all running around like chickens with their heads cut off with boxes. Nobody knows what the hell is going on. There’s never been anything like this. We will not let them silence your voices. We’re not going to let it happen. Not going to let it happen.
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Crowd: Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump! Fight for Trump!
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,]Thank you. I’d love to have, if those tens of thousands of people would be allowed, the military, the secret service, and we want to thank you, and the police law enforcement. Great. You’re doing a great job, but I’d love it if they could be allowed to come up here with us. [/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]All Vice President Pence has to do is send it back to the states to recertify, and we become president, and you are the happiest people.
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[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]I just spoke to Mike. I said, ‘Mike, that doesn’t take courage. What takes courage is to do nothing. That takes courage,’ and then we’re stuck with a president who lost the election by a lot, and we have to live with that for four more years. We’re just not going to let that happen.[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]Even if you’re going to do it, don’t talk about it. Unbelievable, what we have to go through, what we have to go through and you have to get your people to fight. If they don’t fight, we have to primary the hell out of the ones that don’t fight. You primary them. We’re going to let you know who they are. I can already tell you, frankly.[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]It’s a pure theft in American history, everybody knows it. That election, our election was over at 10:00 in the evening. We’re leading Pennsylvania, Michigan, Georgia by hundreds of thousands of votes, and then late in the evening or early in the morning, boom, these explosions of and [BLEEP], and all of a sudden. All of a sudden it started to happen.[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]We don’t have a free and fair press.
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[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]Our media is not free. It’s not fair. It suppresses thought. It suppresses speech, and it’s become the enemy of the people. It’s become the enemy of the people. It’s the biggest problem we have in this country. No third world countries would even attempt to do what we caught them doing and you’ll hear about that in just a few minutes. Republicans are constantly fighting like a boxer with his hands tied behind his back. It’s like a boxer, and we want to be so nice. We want to be so respectful of everybody, including bad people. We’re going to have to fight much harder and Mike Pence is going to have to come through for us. If he doesn’t, that will be a sad day for our country because you’re sworn to uphold our constitution.[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]Now it is up to Congress to confront this egregious assault on our democracy. After this, we’re going to walk down and I’ll be there with you. We’re going to walk down. We’re going to walk down any one you want, but I think right here. We’re going walk down to the Capitol, and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators, and congressmen and women. We’re probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them because you’ll never take back our country with weakness. You have to show strength, and you have to be strong.[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]We have come to demand that Congress do the right thing and only count the electors who have been lawfully slated, lawfully slated. [/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]Then he just goes on with more ridiculous lies and unfounded claims.[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]Not a ton of direct inciting. Tons of fomenting and metric tons of lies. [/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
You conveniently left this out:
“I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.”
Madonna said the White House should be burned down. What’s the status of her Twitter account?
Called it!
(Madonna didn't say the white house should be burned down. She said she had thought about it, and concluded it was a bad idea. She didn't tell her followers she would go with them to the whitehouse with bombs or combustibles.)
Get a life.
My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.
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(01-11-2021, 03:26 PM)mikesez Wrote: (01-11-2021, 03:11 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: You conveniently left this out:
“I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.”
Madonna said the White House should be burned down. What’s the status of her Twitter account?
Called it!
(Madonna didn't say the white house should be burned down. She said she had thought about it, and concluded it was a bad idea. She didn't tell her followers she would go with them to the whitehouse with bombs or combustibles.)
Get a life.
Neither did Trump.
Your inability to provide specific words spoken by Trump to support your claim have been noted.
(01-11-2021, 03:34 PM)jagibelieve Wrote: (01-11-2021, 02:11 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: Mikesez cannot.
Again, can someone cite the specific words used by Trump to incite violence?
Additionally, can someone cite the specific words used by Trump which warranted his Twitter ban?
Notice how there have been no examples or clips played on any of the news outlets showing this? The media (social and traditional) are pretty much telling you what to believe and at this point are controlling what you can read or who you can listen to.
Sure do. Notice how our colleagues on the left conveniently fail to notice. One even told me to get a life for pointing this out.
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(01-11-2021, 03:11 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: (01-11-2021, 02:59 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: Calling the outcome of the election “this egregious assault on our democracy,” he said his supporters should “walk down to the Capitol.”
“We are going to cheer on our brave senators and congressmen and women,” he continued, “and we are probably not going to be cheering so much for some of them — because you will never take back our country with weakness.”
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,]Before the president took the stage, his personal lawyer Rudolph W. Giuliani addressed the crowd and called for “trial by combat” against the Democrats to win the election.[/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,]Mr. Trump’s eldest son, Donald Trump Jr., warmed up the audience by warning of challenges to Republican members of Congress who did not back the pro-Trump efforts: “We’re coming for you,” he said.[/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,]“There’s no question the president formed the mob,” Representative Liz Cheney, Republican from Wyoming, told Fox News. “The president incited the mob. The president addressed the mob. He lit the flame.”[/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,]exact quotes from transcript:[/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,]All of us here today do not want to see our election victory stolen by emboldened radical left Democrats, which is what they’re doing and stolen by the fake news media. That’s what they’ve done and what they’re doing. We will never give up. We will never concede, it doesn’t happen. You don’t concede when there’s theft involved.
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[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]Then he just goes on with more ridiculous lies and unfounded claims.[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
[font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=nyt-imperial, georgia,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,][font=Georgia, Times,]Not a ton of direct inciting. Tons of fomenting and metric tons of lies. [/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
You conveniently left this out:
“I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard.”
Madonna said the White House should be burned down. What’s the status of her Twitter account?
Go back and think about what you asked me for.
It wasn't left out. It's not what you asked for.
The things I quoted are what could be incorporated in one's argument that he "incited" something. Which IS what you asked for.
Here's a deeper dive on it if any actually gives a [BLEEP].
https://twitter.com/SethAbramson/status/...74497?s=20
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(01-11-2021, 03:53 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: So ignore the very words that directly contradict your assertions?
‘Oh, and btw, read more biased interpretation from a socialist supporter to back up my claims.’
Lol. Okay.
You asked.
You were specific.
I answered specifically.
I made clear which quotes were direct transcript as well.
I don't think Trump directly incited the riot specifically.
I think he's complicit, but I don't know that it carries any legal weight.
I'm not running around saying "charge him with X,Y, or Z" like so many left leaning folk are right now.
Guliani's words certainly do border on some treacherous legal waters IMO though.
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(01-11-2021, 03:59 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: (01-11-2021, 03:53 PM)homebiscuit Wrote: So ignore the very words that directly contradict your assertions?
‘Oh, and btw, read more biased interpretation from a socialist supporter to back up my claims.’
Lol. Okay.
You asked.
You were specific.
I answered specifically.
I made clear which quotes were direct transcript as well.
I don't think Trump directly incited the riot specifically.
I think he's complicit, but I don't know that it carries any legal weight.
I'm not running around saying "charge him with X,Y, or Z" like so many left leaning folk are right now.
Guliani's words certainly do border on some treacherous legal waters IMO though.
That’s an argument of semantics, but fair enough.
Unfortunately there is a large percentage of people out there who stridently believe Trump gave a direct order to storm the Capitol building and the MSM is doing everything possible to foment that belief. There’s enough lies, misrepresentation and equivocation on both sides to go around.
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