When Pitts went down with injury, I didn't really see Toney step up to take that leadership role and be the #1 guy. There were long stretches where he would just disappear. I see him as a complimentary receiver and you just don't use first round picks on complimentary receivers IMO. First round picks and even most second rounders should be #1 type receivers. I keep seeing where analysts say Toney is so quick, but I just didn't see it in games. IMO, he plays much slower than he test and he just doesn't consistently show separation to get open. I see him as a 3rd or 4th round kind of receiver in this very, very deep WR class.

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No. He's overrated, because I have at least 10 WR's ranked ahead of him. I think the fact that he's a Gator, has tainted the objectivity of some people on this board to what Toney really is. Kyle Pitts is an elite, star player. Kadarius Toney is pretty average.

You said the same thing about Elijah Moore.  I'd like to see your top 10 WRs list being that Toney and Elijah isn't in it

Huh? You have me mixed up with someone else about Moore. He's an entirely different kind of receiver than Toney is. Moore lacks size, but does show the ability to separate consistently. Actually Moore is my #9 receiver. Moore reminds me of Brandin Cooks in his heyday, while Toney reminds me more of a modern day Randall Cobb.

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Lmao Dimson is really cheering for us to draft Etienne and Freiermuth. Dude must be 100 years old.

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Why is he so overrated in your eyes?

I'm not sure I want him at 25, but I have grown to respect his ability to separate on his routes.

When Pitts went down with injury, I didn't really see Toney step up to take that leadership role and be the #1 guy. There were long stretches where he would just disappear. I see him as a complimentary receiver and you just don't use first round picks on complimentary receivers IMO. First round picks and even most second rounders should be #1 type receivers. I keep seeing where analysts say Toney is so quick, but I just didn't see it in games. IMO, he plays much slower than he test and he just doesn't consistently show separation to get open. I see him as a 3rd or 4th round kind of receiver in this very, very deep WR class.

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I kinda see where you are  coming from.  There are plays that maybe should be turned into TDs or bigger plays that weren't, despite his timed speed.  Is that my understanding of your take?

I think what sticks out to me is great lateral quickness and moves to gain separation.  He may not get separation in vertical routes like Jimmy Smith, but he gets a ton of separation on ins, outs, hooks, etc. and still ends up making a ton of big plays because he has excellent change of direction/jukes.  I guess you could make the argument that you could get a guy who does similar things (jukes/extreme COD) like Jaelon Darden a couple of rounds later.

I think the way he runs his routes and comes out of his breaks and creating separation that way make him a very good prospect.  Again, I'm not sure I want him at 25, but I think he could help this team.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

He's the guy I think we need to draft. The TE pool isn't deep and he is by far the second best TE in the draft.

I disagree. I really like Hunter Long and the sleeper of this TE class is Kenny Yeboah.

I am definitely a fan of Yeboah too. Don't know much about Long.

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When Pitts went down with injury, I didn't really see Toney step up to take that leadership role and be the #1 guy. There were long stretches where he would just disappear. I see him as a complimentary receiver and you just don't use first round picks on complimentary receivers IMO. First round picks and even most second rounders should be #1 type receivers. I keep seeing where analysts say Toney is so quick, but I just didn't see it in games. IMO, he plays much slower than he test and he just doesn't consistently show separation to get open. I see him as a 3rd or 4th round kind of receiver in this very, very deep WR class.

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I kinda see where you are  coming from.  There are plays that maybe should be turned into TDs or bigger plays that weren't, despite his timed speed.  Is that my understanding of your take?

I think what sticks out to me is great lateral quickness and moves to gain separation.  He may not get separation in vertical routes like Jimmy Smith, but he gets a ton of separation on ins, outs, hooks, etc. and still ends up making a ton of big plays because he has excellent change of direction/jukes.  I guess you could make the argument that you could get a guy who does similar things (jukes/extreme COD) like Jaelon Darden a couple of rounds later.

I think the way he runs his routes and comes out of his breaks and creating separation that way make him a very good prospect.  Again, I'm not sure I want him at 25, but I think he could help this team.

Exactly. That's the kinds of things a #1 receiver should be able to do. 

Right again. I actually like Darden a lot better. Darden is one of those hidden gems in this draft at the WR position like Cade Johnson and Michael Strachan.

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I disagree. I really like Hunter Long and the sleeper of this TE class is Kenny Yeboah.

I am definitely a fan of Yeboah too. Don't know much about Long.

I REALLY like Yeboah. The way he is able to stretch plays and make big gains is very rare for a TE. I just think he is exactly the type of TE that could flourish in our offense. 

Hunter long is a more athletic version of Pat Freiermuth.

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I kinda see where you are  coming from.  There are plays that maybe should be turned into TDs or bigger plays that weren't, despite his timed speed.  Is that my understanding of your take?

I think what sticks out to me is great lateral quickness and moves to gain separation.  He may not get separation in vertical routes like Jimmy Smith, but he gets a ton of separation on ins, outs, hooks, etc. and still ends up making a ton of big plays because he has excellent change of direction/jukes.  I guess you could make the argument that you could get a guy who does similar things (jukes/extreme COD) like Jaelon Darden a couple of rounds later.

I think the way he runs his routes and comes out of his breaks and creating separation that way make him a very good prospect.  Again, I'm not sure I want him at 25, but I think he could help this team.

Exactly. That's the kinds of things a #1 receiver should be able to do. 

Right again. I actually like Darden a lot better. Darden is one of those hidden gems in this draft at the WR position like Cade Johnson and Michael Strachan.

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I am definitely a fan of Yeboah too. Don't know much about Long.

I REALLY like Yeboah. The way he is able to stretch plays and make big gains is very rare for a TE. I just think he is exactly the type of TE that could flourish in our offense. 

Hunter long is a more athletic version of Pat Freiermuth.

Just saw Yeboah's highlight against Bama and I could definitely seeing him doing big things in our offense.

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Exactly. That's the kinds of things a #1 receiver should be able to do. 

Right again. I actually like Darden a lot better. Darden is one of those hidden gems in this draft at the WR position like Cade Johnson and Michael Strachan.

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I REALLY like Yeboah. The way he is able to stretch plays and make big gains is very rare for a TE. I just think he is exactly the type of TE that could flourish in our offense. 

Hunter long is a more athletic version of Pat Freiermuth.

Just saw Yeboah's highlight against Bama and I could definitely seeing him doing big things in our offense.

Yeboah took a lick midseason and wasn't the same player afterwards.  Kinda played scared and got a case of the dropsies.

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Just saw Yeboah's highlight against Bama and I could definitely seeing him doing big things in our offense.

Yeboah took a lick midseason and wasn't the same player afterwards.  Kinda played scared and got a case of the dropsies.

He looked great in the Senior Bowl. He took a real shot on that TD reception and popped right back up. It was a fantastic catch.

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Interesting from Tony Pauline...

"I think you will see more teams try and unload middle and late-round picks this year for earlier selections in the 2022 NFL Draft.

So many seniors have decided to take up the NCAA offer of another year of eligibility it’s created a two-fold effect:

Players in the mid-to-late rounds will be over-drafted in 2021, i.e., with the reduction in the talent pool, players with seventh-round grades could end up being selected in the fifth round.

Players will be under-drafted in 2022, i.e., because of the expected overabundance of talent in next year’s draft, you will likely have an unusual number of players with fourth-round grades sliding to the seventh round."

After reading his comments, it makes me want to take the later 5th and 7th round selections, and trade them for 2022 picks if possible.

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Interesting from Tony Pauline...

"I think you will see more teams try and unload middle and late-round picks this year for earlier selections in the 2022 NFL Draft.

So many seniors have decided to take up the NCAA offer of another year of eligibility it’s created a two-fold effect:

Players in the mid-to-late rounds will be over-drafted in 2021, i.e., with the reduction in the talent pool, players with seventh-round grades could end up being selected in the fifth round.

Players will be under-drafted in 2022, i.e., because of the expected overabundance of talent in next year’s draft, you will likely have an unusual number of players with fourth-round grades sliding to the seventh round."

After reading his comments, it makes me want to take the later 5th and 7th round selections, and trade them for 2022 picks if possible.

you also have a lot of canceled games/seasons compounding the issue of evaluation this year. Next year is likely to be a lot less guesswork.

The team that has been doing their homework this year and last will come out big winners in this draft. (And doing homework may include convincing yourself to wait until next year)

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Probably already noted somewhere, but just in case. Below are the USA Today tracking of meetings with the Jags and some other sources. I am sure it is not all inclusive...

DT Alim McNeil
WR Mike Strachan
CB/RS Avery Williams
WR Rondale Moore
RB Javian Hawkins
CB Greg Newsome
QB Trevor Lawrence
QB Zach Wilson
QB Justin Fields
OT Teven Jenkins
WR Dax Milne
WR Ihmir Smith-Marsette
CB Tay Gowan
Edge Joseph Ossai
LB Isaiah McDuffie
CB Jason Pinnock
WR Eli Stove
WR Kadarius Toney
OT Larnel Coleman
RB Travis Etienne
Edge Ronnie Perkins
LB Amen Ogbongbemiga
DL Josiah Bronson
Add: Amari Rogers (Jags compared him to Percy Harvin in his interview per Amari)

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Do you think it shows our potential draft picking strategy? Positional groups spoken to;

QB
RB
WR
OT
DL
CB
Edge
LB

Basically all positions we have all been saying are a priority. I know there’s still two weeks before the draft and this may not be everyone but there is no Safety on this list (Williams maybe) Thoughts?

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I think the Raiders surprising release of Mo Hurst means Barmore should be the favorite at 17 now.

I am also praying that these rumors of the Steelers taking RB at 24 is true.

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I think the Raiders surprising release of Mo Hurst means Barmore should be the favorite at 17 now.

I am also praying that these rumors of the Steelers taking RB at 24 is true.

I can see the Raiders going that route as well.

About the Steelers here's me praying as well for that to happen (ideally both top 2 RB go before our pick).

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I think the Raiders surprising release of Mo Hurst means Barmore should be the favorite at 17 now.

I am also praying that these rumors of the Steelers taking RB at 24 is true.

I've been checking in on other team's message boards and from what I've seen, Raiders fans have been pretty adamant that Free Safety is among their top 2 needs. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they target Trevon Moehrig with their first round pick. I've seen his name mentioned quite a bit. 

If the Steelers target a RB in the first round, they'll regret it. They don't have a decent LT or Center currently on their roster and a RB is only as good as their O-Line. The Steelers have made some questionable first round picks over the years, but this would be among the worst.

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Do you think it shows our potential draft picking strategy? Positional groups spoken to;

QB
RB
WR
OT
DL
CB
Edge
LB

Basically all positions we have all been saying are a priority. I know there’s still two weeks before the draft and this may not be everyone but there is no Safety on this list (Williams maybe) Thoughts?

Really surprised to not see us linked to any TEs. Wonder what they have planned for that position?

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Do you think it shows our potential draft picking strategy? Positional groups spoken to;

QB
RB
WR
OT
DL
CB
Edge
LB

Basically all positions we have all been saying are a priority. I know there’s still two weeks before the draft and this may not be everyone but there is no Safety on this list (Williams maybe) Thoughts?

Really surprised to not see us linked to any TEs. Wonder what they have planned for that position?

Would outsiders know if our coaches talked to Freiermuth? I don't think so. It is a bit strange that no other names are mentioned so my best guess it's Freiermuth or nobody.

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Really surprised to not see us linked to any TEs. Wonder what they have planned for that position?

Would outsiders know if our coaches talked to Freiermuth? I don't think so. It is a bit strange that no other names are mentioned so my best guess it's Freiermuth or nobody.

It would not have been necessary to interview Freirmuth since Tyler Bowen already knows him better than anybody.

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Would outsiders know if our coaches talked to Freiermuth? I don't think so. It is a bit strange that no other names are mentioned so my best guess it's Freiermuth or nobody.

It would not have been necessary to interview Freirmuth since Tyler Bowen already knows him better than anybody.

That's a good point that Bowen already knows him well which largely eliminates the need for an interview.  I also don't read too much into interviews or non-interviews.  They are sometimes smoke screens.  Sometimes teams purposely don't talk to a player they are targeting so that other teams won't trade ahead of them and take the player.

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I think the Raiders surprising release of Mo Hurst means Barmore should be the favorite at 17 now.

I am also praying that these rumors of the Steelers taking RB at 24 is true.

I've been checking in on other team's message boards and from what I've seen, Raiders fans have been pretty adamant that Free Safety is among their top 2 needs. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they target Trevon Moehrig with their first round pick. I've seen his name mentioned quite a bit. 

If the Steelers target a RB in the first round, they'll regret it. They don't have a decent LT or Center currently on their roster and a RB is only as good as their O-Line. The Steelers have made some questionable first round picks over the years, but this would be among the worst.

It would delight me greatly if they reached for a FS that early.

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