Tebow was 8-6 as a starter.  One game above .500.

BFD.

Now what?

Still addresses absolutely ZERO of the stuff I raised.

But he just wiiiiinnnnsssss!!!!!

This! Give me wins over numbers any day

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Lol, Manning became available in Free Agency, all the teams tried to go after the HOF. It's not like Elway discovered some diamond in the rough. Elway's a horrible evaluator of talent, especially at the QB position. You still can't answer why he traded up for a spread QB like Paxton Lynch and passed on Dak Prescott. That was a completely wasted draft pick, a zero.

You can offer all the stats and medals you want but it's the stats you omit that are troubling. Hiding Win-Loss stats on Kyle Orton and your other QB friends. Kyle Orton is a career loser who throws up garbage stats and was too busy drinking and taking selfies. You've lost the ability to see the forest from the trees if you don't think winning is the most important stat.

Tebow was 8-6 as a starter.  One game above .500.

BFD.

Now what?

Still addresses absolutely ZERO of the stuff I raised.

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But he just wiiiiinnnnsssss!!!!!

This!  Give me wins over numbers any day

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Tebow was 8-6 as a starter.  One game above .500.

BFD.

Now what?

Still addresses absolutely ZERO of the stuff I raised.

So you would take Tua over Herbert right? Tua has a better W/L record than Herbert. All about them wins!

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This!  Give me wins over numbers any day

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So you would take Tua over Herbert right? Tua has a better W/L record than Herbert. All about them wins!

No, but you have always liked Tua over Herbert.

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But he just wiiiiinnnnsssss!!!!!

This!  Give me wins over numbers any day

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Tebow was 8-6 as a starter.  One game above .500.

BFD.

Now what?

Still addresses absolutely ZERO of the stuff I raised.

Don't understand what is so perplexing about my post, especially considering the minimal contribution Tebow made to the offense in those games.

But Elway controls the front offices of every team in the league.  Forgot about that.  

Mea culpa.

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This!  Give me wins over numbers any day

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Don't understand what is so perplexing about my post, especially considering the minimal contribution Tebow made to the offense in those games.

But Elway controls the front offices of every team in the league.  Forgot about that.  

Mea culpa.

But you told me Tebow has been long vanished from the league yet he is out there in his first OTAs as a TE catching TDs.  Wrong about Tebow once again.

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So you would take Tua over Herbert right? Tua has a better W/L record than Herbert. All about them wins!

No, but you have always liked Tua over Herbert.

So it’s not about the wins over stats then?

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No, but you have always liked Tua over Herbert.

So it’s not about the wins over stats then?

It's about you have always like Tua over Herbert

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Don't understand what is so perplexing about my post, especially considering the minimal contribution Tebow made to the offense in those games.

But Elway controls the front offices of every team in the league.  Forgot about that.  

Mea culpa.

But you told me Tebow has been long vanished from the league yet he is out there in his first OTAs as a TE catching TDs.  Wrong about Tebow once again.

I didn't say he was BANISHED from the league, though he had vanished from the league.

When was he last on an active NFL roster?

When did he last play his "normal" position of QB?

Yes he is catching TDs in practice.  As a TE.

Without being covered.  Without pads.  Without hitting.

In May.  Not even June.

Since Tua was brought up, FYI...

https://stathead.com/football/pcm_finder...&request=1

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So it’s not about the wins over stats then?

It's about you have always like Tua over Herbert

Hahaha can’t even answer the question can you? Because you realize by not taking all factors in the equation, you get caught in your own statements. If it’s all about the wins, you take Tua over Herbert.

And yes. Pre-draft, I liked Tua more than Herbert (as did a lot of people). No one (including yourself) knew Herbert would be this good this fast.

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It's about you have always like Tua over Herbert

Hahaha can’t even answer the question can you? Because you realize by not taking all factors in the equation, you get caught in your own statements. If it’s all about the wins, you take Tua over Herbert.

And yes. Pre-draft, I liked Tua more than Herbert (as did a lot of people). No one (including yourself) knew Herbert would be this good this fast.

Most people didn't like Tua over Herbert.   Miami was in love with Tua though.  And if I'm picking 1 stat I want my team to have its wins over numbers

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But you told me Tebow has been long vanished from the league yet he is out there in his first OTAs as a TE catching TDs.  Wrong about Tebow once again.

I didn't say he was BANISHED from the league, though he had vanished from the league.

When was he last on an active NFL roster?

When did he last play his "normal" position of QB?

Yes he is catching TDs in practice.  As a TE.

Without being covered.  Without pads.  Without hitting.

In May.  Not even June.

If he vanished from the league he wouldn't be out there catching TDs and with the Jags in OTA,s.  You were wrong again is all, it's OK to admit it.

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Yeah, I disagree.. We just went through hell and back because of the draft, or should I say, because of Meyer's draft choices.

But why would you expect anything else?

Before every draft there is pro and con debate over various subjects.

Which direction should the team go?

Offense or defense?

Trade up, trade down, or stand pat?

Is player A good or not?  Who should we take between two different players?

While I don't always agree with the conclusions a poster or posters will reach (nor they mine), most of the debate and disagreements are reasoned and have the Jaguars best interests at heart.  However, none of these discussions involve the Jaguars' brass.  We will link to various clips or quotes from team officials or coaches trying to get some indicia of what they are thinking, while also hoping they don't tip their hands to the other teams.

So when the Jaguars actually pick the players, why would the dynamic change any if the pre draft debate was earnest, honest, impassioned, and engaged with the Jaguars best interest at heart?  If the Jaguars have the temerity to actually disagree with some of our takes
 and go in different directions, why wouldn't there be some disagreement?  

It stands to reason there would be some pro-con debate afterwards.  Those who were opposed to drafting a RB in the first round before the draft won't be pleased when the Jaguars take a RB in the first round, whether it was UM pulling the trigger on the move or some other coach.  Those who strongly advocated for a TE pre draft are naturally going to strongly express their disappointment when no TE at all is drafted by the team, and the only attempts to upgrade the position are Chris Manhertz and Tim Tebow.  That would have happened no matter who the coach was.  It wasn't going to be simply an UM thing.  

I will say that after the 2014 and 2016 draft, this board was pretty much uniform in being happy about what the Jaguars draft produced.  Very few complaints to be heard.  It turns out, those drafts wound up pretty good.

However, I hasten to add the overall tenor of the board in the immediate aftermath of the 2009-20111 drafts was "in Gene we trust."  Almost everyone here rubber stamped their approval on everything the team did.  Where did that get us?  Did the general lack of dissent make those drafts any better?  No.  I get no  satisfaction being one of the few voices of dissent in those years, because it means the Jaguars were unsuccessful.  I'm sure if you polled those critical of this year's draft for whatever reasons, you'd see a similar sentiment.

I can't recall a single voice of dissent over the Trevor Lawrence pick among the regulars on this board.  Subsequent picks?  Yes, there was disagreement.  But again, why is that unexpected?

To be honest, the only thing I care about is that the team got it right.

There's always going to be disagreement with whatever decision will be made with this team going forward, I understand that. People have the right to voice their concerns over certain players, staff, coaches ect. And you're correct, most people would still be complaining no matter which coach was that offered Tebow a contract, I get that. The point was raised that, the hatred for Meyer as the Jags HC was already there before he even made the choice to give Tebow that contract. Therefore, making things, extra uneasy, around here.

Trust me, I remember the whole, "In Gene We Trust" sentiment. And yes, that just screams rubber stamp approval. And you're right, accepting that rubber stamp approval didn't get us anywhere. But then again, where is the constant complaining about it going to get us? It'll get us the same exact place we are now, only more out of breath. 

Of course there will be disagreements with the subsequent picks after TLaw. Those are going to happen, I'm sure we all know this. I was pointing out how severe it has been lately, which again, will lead everyone participating, going around in circles without a compass. People need to understand that their vision of the direction this team goes in is totally fine to share, talk about and even argue about. But when it doesn't come to fruition, that's when they need to understand that their vision, is just that, a vision. 

But you're right, there shouldn't have been any dissent over the TLaw pick, if there was, we'd have to hire a resident psyche doctor.

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Hahaha can’t even answer the question can you? Because you realize by not taking all factors in the equation, you get caught in your own statements. If it’s all about the wins, you take Tua over Herbert.

And yes. Pre-draft, I liked Tua more than Herbert (as did a lot of people). No one (including yourself) knew Herbert would be this good this fast.

Most people didn't like Tua over Herbert.   Miami was in love with Tua though.  And if I'm picking 1 stat I want my team to have its wins over numbers

Hahaha you don’t even know what you’re debating anymore do you?

Now it’s about the team? What person wants stats over wins for the team they root for? If it’s as black and white as wins over stats, then you should take Tua over Herbert every Sunday because he seems to win more often.

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It's about you have always like Tua over Herbert

Hahaha can’t even answer the question can you? Because you realize by not taking all factors in the equation, you get caught in your own statements. If it’s all about the wins, you take Tua over Herbert.

And yes. Pre-draft, I liked Tua more than Herbert (as did a lot of people). No one (including yourself) knew Herbert would be this good this fast.

I didnt predict stats or wins for either QB but I though Herbert would be better than Herbert and had Herbert higher rated. You're asking which one I would take and I like Herbert better and you like Tua better

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Hahaha can’t even answer the question can you? Because you realize by not taking all factors in the equation, you get caught in your own statements. If it’s all about the wins, you take Tua over Herbert.

And yes. Pre-draft, I liked Tua more than Herbert (as did a lot of people). No one (including yourself) knew Herbert would be this good this fast.

Most people didn't like Tua over Herbert.   Miami was in love with Tua though.  And if I'm picking 1 stat I want my team to have its wins over numbers

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I didn't say he was BANISHED from the league, though he had vanished from the league.

When was he last on an active NFL roster?

When did he last play his "normal" position of QB?

Yes he is catching TDs in practice.  As a TE.

Without being covered.  Without pads.  Without hitting.

In May.  Not even June.

If he vanished from the league he wouldn't be out there catching TDs and with the Jags in OTA,s.  You were wrong again is all, it's OK to admit it.

To be technical, he still isn't in the league.
None of the stats he put up in a LATE MAY PRACTICE is going to count.  He hasn't made the final roster.

But to whatever extent you do consider him to be in the league, his presence there isn't about merit...just like your worship of him isn't about merit.

Tell me again how Bridgewater couldn't carry Tebow's jockstrap.

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Most people didn't like Tua over Herbert.   Miami was in love with Tua though.  And if I'm picking 1 stat I want my team to have its wins over numbers

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If he vanished from the league he wouldn't be out there catching TDs and with the Jags in OTA,s.  You were wrong again is all, it's OK to admit it.

To be technical, he still isn't in the league.
None of the stats he put up in a LATE MAY PRACTICE is going to count.  He hasn't made the final roster.

But to whatever extent you do consider him to be in the league, his presence there isn't about merit...just like your worship of him isn't about merit.

Tell me again how Bridgewater couldn't carry Tebow's jockstrap.

If he has vanished he wouldn't be out there catching TDs lol.   Teddy wishes he could carry Tebow jockstrap

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Most people didn't like Tua over Herbert.   Miami was in love with Tua though.  And if I'm picking 1 stat I want my team to have its wins over numbers

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If he vanished from the league he wouldn't be out there catching TDs and with the Jags in OTA,s.  You were wrong again is all, it's OK to admit it.

To be technical, he still isn't in the league.
None of the stats he put up in a LATE MAY PRACTICE is going to count.  He hasn't made the final roster.

But to whatever extent you do consider him to be in the league, his presence there isn't about merit...just like your worship of him isn't about merit.

Tell me again how Bridgewater couldn't carry Tebow's jockstrap.

Doesn’t Bridgewater have more wins?

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To be technical, he still isn't in the league.
None of the stats he put up in a LATE MAY PRACTICE is going to count.  He hasn't made the final roster.

But to whatever extent you do consider him to be in the league, his presence there isn't about merit...just like your worship of him isn't about merit.

Tell me again how Bridgewater couldn't carry Tebow's jockstrap.

Doesn’t Bridgewater have more wins?

Who has more playoff wins?

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To be technical, he still isn't in the league.
None of the stats he put up in a LATE MAY PRACTICE is going to count.  He hasn't made the final roster.

But to whatever extent you do consider him to be in the league, his presence there isn't about merit...just like your worship of him isn't about merit.

Tell me again how Bridgewater couldn't carry Tebow's jockstrap.

Doesn’t Bridgewater have more wins?

Yep.

More games over .500 too.

NFL Player Comparison: Teddy Bridgewater vs. Tim Tebow | Stathead.com

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Doesn’t Bridgewater have more wins?

Who has more playoff wins?

So Bortles over Tebow?

Do you see how ridiculous your statements are becoming?

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Doesn’t Bridgewater have more wins?

Who has more playoff wins?

Tebow...by one.

BFD.

Under THAT rationale, Trent Dilfer was a better QB than Dan Marino.

He had 1 more Super Bowl win than Marino, right?

That means Dan Marino couldn't carry Trent Dilfer's jock!  

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