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Who is on your Mount Rushmore
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(06-09-2021, 05:02 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote:(06-09-2021, 04:34 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: Never did see Mark as one of those guys. Sure he was our best QB in the pre-Lawrence era but a step below HOF candidates like Fred, Jimmy and Boselli. He ranks on a level with Keenan IMO. Definitely a good player, pro bowl material for a couple of years but not an all time great. Mrs. Brunell! I didn't realize you were on the forum! Seriously, I said he had a couple years were he was an outstanding player but he's never been HOF material. I think he'd tell you that too if you asked him. But he was the best we had at the position for a long time. Still not up with Tony, Fred or Jimmy. He's in the tier with Brackens, Hardy or Keenan.
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Imo the top 5 players we have had skill wise is
1. Boseli 2. Ramsey 3. J smith 4. Fred T 5. Mjd (06-09-2021, 05:02 PM)JagFanatic24 Wrote:(06-09-2021, 04:34 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: Never did see Mark as one of those guys. Sure he was our best QB in the pre-Lawrence era but a step below HOF candidates like Fred, Jimmy and Boselli. He ranks on a level with Keenan IMO. Definitely a good player, pro bowl material for a couple of years but not an all time great. Before you start geeking out over his career ranking, note that the following guys are ahead of him: Ken Anderson (42), Andy Dalton (36!), Jim (don't call me Chris) Everett (31), Matt Hasselbeck (26). Just a little perspective to compare against, since the only other cited was Kurt Warner, who has a Lombardi and two NFL MVP to his name. Another fun tidbit in that list - Brian Sipe is the career passing leader who spent most of his career with the Browns, but I highly doubt anyone would consider him their franchise's face over Otto Graham or even Bernie Kosar. (06-09-2021, 04:34 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: Never did see Mark as one of those guys. Sure he was our best QB in the pre-Lawrence era but a step below HOF candidates like Fred, Jimmy and Boselli. He ranks on a level with Keenan IMO. Definitely a good player, pro bowl material for a couple of years but not an all time great. OK, so you wouldn't have Brunell on the Jags Mount Rushmore because he wasn't an all time great - who would you pick for the 4th slot? Who else has played for us that WAS an all time great? We have had some other really good players (MJD, Brackens, Hardy) and some who had a couple of great years (Campbell, Ramsey). I agree - we've had 3 players that can be considered all time greats and should get HOF consideration, but that's the fun of discussions like this - who should be the 4th on our Mount Rushmore? btw "pre-Lawrence era" = all of Jaguar history. Mark being the best QB in all of Jaguar history puts him on our Mount Rushmore in my opinion to this point. Who else had the success he did and was as important a player as he was? (06-09-2021, 10:28 PM)JagsorDie Wrote: Jimmy, Freddy, Campbell, Lawrence. Villain rushmore: Who Douglas, Aaron Ross, Branden Albert, Tom Coughlin. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (06-10-2021, 08:54 AM)Dewboy01 Wrote:(06-09-2021, 04:34 PM)MarleyJag Wrote: Never did see Mark as one of those guys. Sure he was our best QB in the pre-Lawrence era but a step below HOF candidates like Fred, Jimmy and Boselli. He ranks on a level with Keenan IMO. Definitely a good player, pro bowl material for a couple of years but not an all time great. I don't know if we have a fourth guy but if we do, I'd probably go with MJD. Mark was a very good player. He was probably at the top of that second tier of players but the fact that he's been the best QB in our history is more a condemnation of the franchise than an indication he was a Mt Rushmore kind of player.
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(06-10-2021, 08:54 AM)Mikey Wrote:(06-09-2021, 10:28 PM)JagsorDie Wrote: Jimmy, Freddy, Campbell, Lawrence. I think Ramsey should replace either Albert or Coughlin. Albert was probably the least villainous since he was a big nothing, but Coughlin has a lot of good to counter the bad. “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato
I'd put Big Sofa on the all time nickname Mt Rushmore. Lol.
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(06-10-2021, 01:00 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:(06-10-2021, 07:45 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: Imo the top 5 players we have had skill wise is He did say talent wise, not attitude. You could make the argument.
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