Another ESPN insider Jeremy Fowler mentioned recently that the Jags might ask for a 5th or 6th round for Gardner. I didn't read the original article on ESPN (it's blocked unless you have a subscription.) But other articles mentioned it and that's what it sounded like. Or the very least that is what insiders believe they might ask for. If that's the case I think they could end up moving Gardner relatively quickly. That is a good bargain for another team that is looking to acquire another QB.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/1000...round-pick

Also, this may or may not be related but Gardner cut his hair short. Maybe he knows something is up and he wants a new look for a new team, lol.

Unless beat-hard starts improving, you're going to be in deep doody if you move the shew.

The team needs to get to the heart of the matter with him - is he dissatisfied with his pay? does he believe that he can start for [insert team name here], and then are they willing to trade for him? If we trade him away, is he cool with starting at his current salary?

I let this play out. If he wins the backup job, and it sounds like he's practically a shew-in at this point (stop groaning), I offer him a handsome extension to keep him around. I'd much rather have a sharp kid at backup than a fifth rounder and the leftovers from our preseason tryouts.

If the kid plays lights out, and someone offers us a third? Well, that's a whole different story. Think we could talk Alex Smith out of retirement?

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How about a tight end (Ertz) and a 5th or 6th?  The Eagles have big cap issues and this would save them 8.5 million less 850k.... We have the room and Ertz's contract is up 2022. That is in line with the 2 year deals they have been doing....  maybe not but just saying

no.

For one, the team has made it plain as day they don't value the type of TE that Ertz is, and if we trade for him he's going to want a new deal, just like he has during his time in Philly. On top of that, we are left with Beathard or Luton as the backup.

no thanks on all counts.

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Haven’t read the whole thread. Mainly I’ve just read the title.  Has anyone suggested Porn?  Seems like a good calling. That is after his backup career is over.

Maybe you should post this in the Tebow thread too, seems germane.

no, germane was an ohio state kid. I think he was before Urbz' time, though.

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How about a tight end (Ertz) and a 5th or 6th?  The Eagles have big cap issues and this would save them 8.5 million less 850k.... We have the room and Ertz's contract is up 2022. That is in line with the 2 year deals they have been doing....  maybe not but just saying

no.

For one, the team has made it plain as day they don't value the type of TE that Ertz is, and if we trade for him he's going to want a new deal, just like he has during his time in Philly. On top of that, we are left with Beathard or Luton as the backup.

no thanks on all counts.

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Maybe you should post this in the Tebow thread too, seems germane.

no, germane was an ohio state kid. I think he was before Urbz' time, though.

It was "Joe" Germane, not "No" Germane.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

"Who the team's two best quarterbacks are through OTAs has become clear
No quarterback had a "good" day on Tuesday, but it is clear the Jaguars may have made a miscalculation if they signed veteran quarterback C.J. Beathard to be their No. 2 quarterback. Through Tuesday's practice, it has become more and more clear that Minshew -- and not Beathard -- is the team's second-best quarterback."

https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/duval-ins...-dominates

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"If you always do what you've always done, You'll always get what you always got"

"Who the team's two best quarterbacks are through OTAs has become clear
No quarterback had a "good" day on Tuesday, but it is clear the Jaguars may have made a miscalculation if they signed veteran quarterback C.J. Beathard to be their No. 2 quarterback. Through Tuesday's practice, it has become more and more clear that Minshew -- and not Beathard -- is the team's second-best quarterback."

https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/duval-ins...-dominates

Kinda sad that everyone here knew that would be the case but our new brain trust wasted time and money on a guy who can't play.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

"Who the team's two best quarterbacks are through OTAs has become clear
No quarterback had a "good" day on Tuesday, but it is clear the Jaguars may have made a miscalculation if they signed veteran quarterback C.J. Beathard to be their No. 2 quarterback. Through Tuesday's practice, it has become more and more clear that Minshew -- and not Beathard -- is the team's second-best quarterback."

https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/duval-ins...-dominates

Kinda sad that everyone here knew that would be the case but our new brain trust wasted time and money on a guy who can't play.

Quick go get Alex Smith to double down on wasting time.

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The Khan Years

Patience, Persistence, and Piss Poor General Managers.

"Who the team's two best quarterbacks are through OTAs has become clear
No quarterback had a "good" day on Tuesday, but it is clear the Jaguars may have made a miscalculation if they signed veteran quarterback C.J. Beathard to be their No. 2 quarterback. Through Tuesday's practice, it has become more and more clear that Minshew -- and not Beathard -- is the team's second-best quarterback."

https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/duval-ins...-dominates

Kinda sad that everyone here knew that would be the case but our new brain trust wasted time and money on a guy who can't play.

I don't think that's necessarily the case -- it may be that Gardner is considered to be too valuable to continue in a "no chance to start absent injury" job, and that they believe they can trade him for good value. If that's the case, they needed to shop for another backup. Perhaps Beathard is still the answer, just not as good as Minshew. Perhaps the Jags will continue to shop for a veteran backup.

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Kinda sad that everyone here knew that would be the case but our new brain trust wasted time and money on a guy who can't play.

I don't think that's necessarily the case -- it may be that Gardner is considered to be too valuable to continue in a "no chance to start absent injury" job, and that they believe they can trade him for good value.  If that's the case, they needed to shop for another backup.  Perhaps Beathard is still the answer, just not as good as Minshew.  Perhaps the Jags will continue to shop for a veteran backup.

Beathard is a worse player for 3 times the money that they signed because they knew him. If he's not the answer then it's just another mark against the front office.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Trade Minshew for Zach Ertz?

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Minshew might be the league's best back up qb, but who is he better than in the entire nfl to be a starter? Let's be honest about it. It's best to keep him for insurance at least for this season. Dont force a stupid trade where you get a nothing late round pick. He has more value as a back up unless you get a deal you cant refuse.

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The question is trade value vs insurance. Does he provide more value as trade bait or as insurance if, God forbid, Lawrence goes down with an injury? Who would you rather have leading the team in that event, Minshew or Beathard? I'll take Minshew because for one, I can't think of a better available player as backup. And two, I don't think his trade value is worth more than his value as a backup QB.

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Uh, oh. Minshew Magic is gone.

https://twitter.com/JStCyrTV/status/1404...13/photo/1

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Kinda sad that everyone here knew that would be the case but our new brain trust wasted time and money on a guy who can't play.

I don't think that's necessarily the case -- it may be that Gardner is considered to be too valuable to continue in a "no chance to start absent injury" job, and that they believe they can trade him for good value. If that's the case, they needed to shop for another backup. Perhaps Beathard is still the answer, just not as good as Minshew. Perhaps the Jags will continue to shop for a veteran backup.

I don't think that's necessarily the case -- it may be that Gardner is considered to be too valuable to continue in a "no chance to start absent injury" job, and that they believe they can trade him for good value.  If that's the case, they needed to shop for another backup.  Perhaps Beathard is still the answer, just not as good as Minshew.  Perhaps the Jags will continue to shop for a veteran backup.

Beathard is a worse player for 3 times the money that they signed because they knew him. If he's not the answer then it's just another mark against the front office.

Minshew might be the league's best back up qb, but who is he better than in the entire nfl to be a starter? Let's be honest about it. It's best to keep him for insurance at least for this season. Dont force a stupid trade where you get a nothing late round pick. He has more value as a back up unless you get a deal you cant refuse.

The question is trade value vs insurance. Does he provide more value as trade bait or as insurance if, God forbid, Lawrence goes down with an injury? Who would you rather have leading the team in that event, Minshew or Beathard? I'll take Minshew because for one, I can't think of a better available player as backup. And two, I don't think his trade value is worth more than his value as a backup QB.

I'm confused. Insurance for what?

For the the season, this teams' record is an unimportant bellwether. The most important thing for this team is T-Law's development, and secondly for the coaching staff to prove they have reasonable system and can develop players. Now if those things happen, of course they will win more games. But given their schedule, even a 4 or 5 win season could still have great signs of team improvement.

The best thing for the the back up QB is to help T-Law understand whatever system is being implemented, the reads that he needs to know, the defenses he will be facing, etc. Also for all the "but Bethard is a bad QB", well lots of bad or mediocre QB's and players become great coaches. If Minshew is that guy, great; but if not, then he is expendable.

If Lawrence (knock on wood) does get injured, having a QB who has the best chance to win a few meaningless games this season doesn't really matter.

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Yeah, it's not like they are shoring up for a championship run this season. A wise veteran (who knows he's not going to be given a truly fair shot at winning the starting job), is a more common choice to back up a #1 overall. Minshew could be too much of a perceived "up and comer" without too much experience anyway.

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I don't think that's necessarily the case -- it may be that Gardner is considered to be too valuable to continue in a "no chance to start absent injury" job, and that they believe they can trade him for good value.  If that's the case, they needed to shop for another backup.  Perhaps Beathard is still the answer, just not as good as Minshew.  Perhaps the Jags will continue to shop for a veteran backup.

Beathard is a worse player for 3 times the money that they signed because they knew him. If he's not the answer then it's just another mark against the front office.

Minshew might be the league's best back up qb, but who is he better than in the entire nfl to be a starter? Let's be honest about it. It's best to keep him for insurance at least for this season. Dont force a stupid trade where you get a nothing late round pick. He has more value as a back up unless you get a deal you cant refuse.

The question is trade value vs insurance. Does he provide more value as trade bait or as insurance if, God forbid, Lawrence goes down with an injury? Who would you rather have leading the team in that event, Minshew or Beathard? I'll take Minshew because for one, I can't think of a better available player as backup. And two, I don't think his trade value is worth more than his value as a backup QB.

I'm confused. Insurance for what?

For the the season, this teams' record is an unimportant bellwether. The most important thing for this team is T-Law's development, and secondly for the coaching staff to prove they have reasonable system and can develop players. Now if those things happen, of course they will win more games. But given their schedule, even a 4 or 5 win season could still have great signs of team improvement.

The best thing for the the back up QB is to help T-Law understand whatever system is being implemented, the reads that he needs to know, the defenses he will be facing, etc. Also for all the "but Bethard is a bad QB", well lots of bad or mediocre QB's and players become great coaches. If Minshew is that guy, great; but if not, then he is expendable.

If Lawrence (knock on wood) does get injured, having a QB who has the best chance to win a few meaningless games this season doesn't really matter.

So if Trevor Lawrence gets injured, all games afterward are meaningless?

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Translation: Hello, Ryan Fitzpatrick.

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I'm confused. Insurance for what?

For the the season, this teams' record is an unimportant bellwether. The most important thing for this team is T-Law's development, and secondly for the coaching staff to prove they have reasonable system and can develop players. Now if those things happen, of course they will win more games. But given their schedule, even a 4 or 5 win season could still have great signs of team improvement.

The best thing for the the back up QB is to help T-Law understand whatever system is being implemented, the reads that he needs to know, the defenses he will be facing, etc. Also for all the "but Bethard is a bad QB", well lots of bad or mediocre QB's and players become great coaches. If Minshew is that guy, great; but if not, then he is expendable.

If Lawrence (knock on wood) does get injured, having a QB who has the best chance to win a few meaningless games this season doesn't really matter.

So if Trevor Lawrence gets injured, all games afterward are meaningless?

For this season, winning the games just to say you won the games is essentially meaningless. The circumstances and factors for this year does not mean that would apply to any or all other situations. 

For example, Burrow got injured last year and missed the end of the season. Would the Bengals have benefited if they had kept Andy Dalton to win 3-4 of those games after Burrow was out?

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Yeah let's keep tanking every year until the teams is ready. BAD idea. It's time to compete now.

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Yeah let's keep tanking every year until the teams is ready. BAD idea. It's time to compete now.

Is anyone talking about tanking? The reality is that if Lawrence goes down the season is screwed. This is true for virtually all teams that you can't lose your franchise QB for a long period of time and still expect to win a lot. 

I don't pretend to know about backup QB's what kind of people they are. I just know a bit about Minshew's public image and mostly nothing about Beathard. If either can be a good mentor/aspiring coach type I'm not too upset that he's a below average starter. We don't expect them to be anything else. 

It just goes to prove that priority 1, 2, 3 and on will be to protect Trevor. Don't risk him with playcalling, don't risk him by having the O-line being trash etc.

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So if Trevor Lawrence gets injured, all games afterward are meaningless?

For this season, winning the games just to say you won the games is essentially meaningless. The circumstances and factors for this year does not mean that would apply to any or all other situations. 

For example, Burrow got injured last year and missed the end of the season. Would the Bengals have benefited if they had kept Andy Dalton to win 3-4 of those games after Burrow was out?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b5-iJUuPWis

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