A players draft position should be irrelevant if he starts week 1 or not. Ive never liked the idea of just starting a guy because of draft position. Minshew is a good QB when healthy and has proven he can win in this league. Im be more than good starting Minshew week 1. If TLaw beats out Minshew than start him but dont just start him because he was the first pick. Sitting 3 or 4 games behind Minshew might be best for Trev

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A players draft position should be irrelevant if he starts week 1 or not.  Ive never liked the idea of just starting a guy because of draft position.  Minshew is a good QB when healthy and has proven he can win in this league.  Im be more than good starting Minshew week 1.

A few things here:

Yeah - players should earn a start and not have it freely given.

Draft position (in an ideal world) should be irrelevant - but it's not. 
Coaches, especially those tied to front office decisions, are going to try to prove they did the right thing at times with their picks. And if they took a guy at #1 overall that can't beat out a 6th rounder from the prior regime, they are gonna look pretty foolish. That high pick will play a role in their decisions even if they give you all the coachspeak in the world in June-August. 

It really just doesn't matter either way in this situation because Lawrence is going to win the job hands down.

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Here is a short interview that Urban did with USA Today, where he said that Trevor isn't ready to start Week one yet. But he also mentioned that the team has a long training camp and he doesn't have to be ready right now. He also mentioned that Trevor is more advanced that he would have thought at this point.

https://twitter.com/usatodaysports/statu...0209328130

I think that Urban has his reasons for saying that he doesn't feel that Trevor isn't quite ready right now. They may be different things that are factoring into him saying that. This interview didn't sound like coach speak. It sounds like he genuinely believes that for whatever reasons. That doesn't mean he won't end up starting anyway, but I think that Urban's comments are something to ponder.

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Here is a short interview that Urban did with USA Today, where he said that Trevor isn't ready to start Week one yet. But he also mentioned that the team has a long training camp and he doesn't have to be ready right now. He also mentioned that Trevor is more advanced that he would have thought at this point.

https://twitter.com/usatodaysports/statu...0209328130

I think that Urban has his reasons for saying that he doesn't feel that Trevor isn't quite ready right now. They may be different things that are factoring into him saying that. This interview didn't sound like coach speak. It sounds like he genuinely believes that for whatever reasons. That doesn't mean he won't end up starting anyway, but I think that Urban's comments are something to ponder.

What she didn't ask as a follow-up was, if Trevor is not ready to start right now, is anyone else ready to start right now?  And the answer to that is probably also, no.  They're just not ready.   They're not supposed to be ready.

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A players draft position should be irrelevant if he starts week 1 or not.  Ive never liked the idea of just starting a guy because of draft position.  Minshew is a good QB when healthy and has proven he can win in this league.  Im be more than good starting Minshew week 1.

A few things here:

Yeah - players should earn a start and not have it freely given.

Draft position (in an ideal world) should be irrelevant - but it's not. 
Coaches, especially those tied to front office decisions, are going to try to prove they did the right thing at times with their picks. And if they took a guy at #1 overall that can't beat out a 6th rounder from the prior regime, they are gonna look pretty foolish. That high pick will play a role in their decisions even if they give you all the coachspeak in the world in June-August. 

It really just doesn't matter either way in this situation because Lawrence is going to win the job hands down.

Thank you.

Minshew shouldn’t step on the field this entire season as long as Lawrence is healthy because Lawrence is already better.

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Here is a short interview that Urban did with USA Today, where he said that Trevor isn't ready to start Week one yet. But he also mentioned that the team has a long training camp and he doesn't have to be ready right now. He also mentioned that Trevor is more advanced that he would have thought at this point.

https://twitter.com/usatodaysports/statu...0209328130

I think that Urban has his reasons for saying that he doesn't feel that Trevor isn't quite ready right now. They may be different things that are factoring into him saying that. This interview didn't sound like coach speak. It sounds like he genuinely believes that for whatever reasons. That doesn't mean he won't end up starting anyway, but I think that Urban's comments are something to ponder.

I have to agree with the coach at this point.  Trevor Lawrence has never played in an NFL game of any kind (scrimmage, preseason, regular season).  So far his only "NFL experience" is underwear practice.  No pads, no full speed live reps, nothing.  The NFL game is not the same as the college game.

Training camp might be a little bit better gauge of which quarterback will/should start.  Preseason games will tell the story even more.  Once the pads are on and play on the field is "live" might show something.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

A few things here:

Yeah - players should earn a start and not have it freely given.

Draft position (in an ideal world) should be irrelevant - but it's not. 
Coaches, especially those tied to front office decisions, are going to try to prove they did the right thing at times with their picks. And if they took a guy at #1 overall that can't beat out a 6th rounder from the prior regime, they are gonna look pretty foolish. That high pick will play a role in their decisions even if they give you all the coachspeak in the world in June-August. 

It really just doesn't matter either way in this situation because Lawrence is going to win the job hands down.

Thank you.

Minshew shouldn’t step on the field this entire season as long as Lawrence is healthy because Lawrence is already better.

Based on what exactly?

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

A players draft position should be irrelevant if he starts week 1 or not.  Ive never liked the idea of just starting a guy because of draft position.  Minshew is a good QB when healthy and has proven he can win in this league.  Im be more than good starting Minshew week 1.

A few things here:

Yeah - players should earn a start and not have it freely given.

Draft position (in an ideal world) should be irrelevant - but it's not. 
Coaches, especially those tied to front office decisions, are going to try to prove they did the right thing at times with their picks. And if they took a guy at #1 overall that can't beat out a 6th rounder from the prior regime, they are gonna look pretty foolish. That high pick will play a role in their decisions even if they give you all the coachspeak in the world in June-August. 

It really just doesn't matter either way in this situation because Lawrence is going to win the job hands down.

Nah, some coaches will play players because of draft position and some its irrelevant and will play the best player or whos the most ready.  Minshew being a vet and going into his 3rd year, they wouldnt look foolish at all if he played a good game like he did week 1 last year right befor he got hurt.  Mayfield was the 1st pick overall and ty didnt look foolish at all when he didnt start early in the season because he wasnt ready but ended up setting rookie record.  A few thought Tua was an elite prospect and they didnt start him because he wasnt ready, who was a top 5 pick.  Who ever looks like the better QB in training camp will be the week 1 starter and im ok with either starting week 1.

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Here is a short interview that Urban did with USA Today, where he said that Trevor isn't ready to start Week one yet. But he also mentioned that the team has a long training camp and he doesn't have to be ready right now. He also mentioned that Trevor is more advanced that he would have thought at this point.

https://twitter.com/usatodaysports/statu...0209328130

I think that Urban has his reasons for saying that he doesn't feel that Trevor isn't quite ready right now. They may be different things that are factoring into him saying that. This interview didn't sound like coach speak. It sounds like he genuinely believes that for whatever reasons. That doesn't mean he won't end up starting anyway, but I think that Urban's comments are something to ponder.

I have to agree with the coach at this point.  Trevor Lawrence has never played in an NFL game of any kind (scrimmage, preseason, regular season).  So far his only "NFL experience" is underwear practice.  No pads, no full speed live reps, nothing.  The NFL game is not the same as the college game.

Training camp might be a little bit better gauge of which quarterback will/should start.  Preseason games will tell the story even more.  Once the pads are on and play on the field is "live" might show something.

I thought it was interesting at how certain Urban sounded about Trevor not being ready to start. He could have answered that question in various different ways, such as "we think he is capable of doing so", or "he's coming along nicely and there is optimism he could be the starter", etc.... But he straight up said no. And I believe there are reasons for that.

The media wasn't privy to all of the OTAs. I don't think they attended at least half of them. So maybe some stuff happened there to help the coaching staff develop the opinion they have now about the QB position.

I know a lot of people don't want to hear this but I do believe at least some of this has to do with Gardner growing as QB and coming into his own as a veteran. Some people like to constantly criticize him, say he's no good, etc... But the coaching staff hasn been speaking very well of him and I do think they really like/respect him. They've been helping him prepare in the event he has to be the starter for some reason (like maybe injury). People can try and say they are doing that to drive up his trade value and that could be a reason, but they already had trade offers for him prior to OTA's/minicamp. And they have a greater incentive to hype/build up Trevor since they drafted him #1. But while they are very complimentary of him, they seem to be holding back a bit on that for right now. And I think that's interesting.

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Thank you.

Minshew shouldn’t step on the field this entire season as long as Lawrence is healthy because Lawrence is already better.

Based on what exactly?

Based on watching them play football?

Are you implying that no rookie should ever start a game because they’ve never played an NFL game?

Lawrence’s ability to process information before the snap and after the snap, along with physical tools that Minshew just doesn’t possess, leads me to believe he will start Week 1.

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Here is a short interview that Urban did with USA Today, where he said that Trevor isn't ready to start Week one yet. But he also mentioned that the team has a long training camp and he doesn't have to be ready right now. He also mentioned that Trevor is more advanced that he would have thought at this point.

https://twitter.com/usatodaysports/statu...0209328130

I think that Urban has his reasons for saying that he doesn't feel that Trevor isn't quite ready right now. They may be different things that are factoring into him saying that. This interview didn't sound like coach speak. It sounds like he genuinely believes that for whatever reasons. That doesn't mean he won't end up starting anyway, but I think that Urban's comments are something to ponder.

I have to agree with the coach at this point.  Trevor Lawrence has never played in an NFL game of any kind (scrimmage, preseason, regular season).  So far his only "NFL experience" is underwear practice.  No pads, no full speed live reps, nothing.  The NFL game is not the same as the college game.

Training camp might be a little bit better gauge of which quarterback will/should start.  Preseason games will tell the story even more.  Once the pads are on and play on the field is "live" might show something.

Agree with you. Let's not forget it's a whole new O system they are learning. Like you say it's been mainly underwear practice so far so dont really expect any of them to have mastered it yet. I still think Lawrence will start week 1 but if it's a case of starting Minshew for a week or 2 to put Lawrence in a better position to be ready it's not the end of the world. Lawrence is our guy for the next decade.

Preseason will definitely be interesting and probably the first chance we will have to see where Meyer and the other coaches have guys ranked.

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Based on what exactly?

Based on watching them play football?

Are you implying that no rookie should ever start a game because they’ve never played an NFL game?

Lawrence’s ability to process information before the snap and after the snap, along with physical tools that Minshew just doesn’t possess, leads me to believe he will start Week 1.

You've never seen Lawrence face an NFL defense so your comment is irrelevant. We do know Minshew is a good backup and a serviceable starter in a pinch. If I were Meyer, I'd want to wait until I'd seen Lawrence in a couple preseason games before making a decision. He will probably end up being the day 1 starter but it's not nor should it be a given.

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I'm condescending. That means I talk down to you.

Based on what exactly?

Based on watching them play football?

Are you implying that no rookie should ever start a game because they’ve never played an NFL game?

Lawrence’s ability to process information before the snap and after the snap, along with physical tools that Minshew just doesn’t possess, leads me to believe he will start Week 1.

First I am not at all implying that no rookie should ever start.  

Second, you said that "Lawrence is already better than Minshew".  You have no facts to back that statement up.  What a player does, especially a quarterback at the college level does not always translate to the NFL level.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Based on watching them play football?

Are you implying that no rookie should ever start a game because they’ve never played an NFL game?

Lawrence’s ability to process information before the snap and after the snap, along with physical tools that Minshew just doesn’t possess, leads me to believe he will start Week 1.

You've never seen Lawrence face an NFL defense so your comment is irrelevant. We do know Minshew is a good backup and a serviceable starter in a pinch. If I were Meyer, I'd want to wait until I'd seen Lawrence in a couple preseason games before making a decision. He will probably end up being the day 1 starter but it's not nor should it be a given.

And the preseason won’t really matter because no defense is really game planning. They’re also not sending out their entire starting defense.

So the only things the coaching staff can base their starters on would be practices. And I’m sure Trevor has been better and will continue to get better than Minshew.

It’s an irrelevant topic because there’s no chance Minshew starts week 1.

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Coachspeak for sure but actually there's a basis for it. Maybe they want to consider not throwing a rookie into the fire right off the bat. It wouldn't be unprecedented. Would also explain why they haven't bit on any of the offers for Minshew yet.

If the number 1 pick in the draft isn't ready to play QB in game 1 he shouldn't have been the #1 pick.

GOAT POST!

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If he's ready isn't the same as saying he's the best QB on the roster. What we could see is that Minshew is better than Lawrence week 1 but that Lawrence is still 'good enough'. Why would anyone play Minshew in that case?

With the intent to boost up Minshew's trade value.

If Urbz does this he may finally convince all his benefit of the doubters that he is completely guanopsychotic.

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I think you guys are reading too much into this. In my opinion, the reason we haven't named TL as the starter is that this is the way Urban Meyer runs every program he's ever had. Everyone, with no exceptions, has competition in the pre season. Everyone, with no exceptions, has to earn their starting spot. He doesn't want any player to get too relaxed and sure of himself. Even Josh Lambo has competition this year.

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I think you guys are reading too much into this.   In my opinion, the reason we haven't named TL as the starter is that this is the way Urban Meyer runs every program he's ever had.  Everyone, with no exceptions, has competition in the pre season.  Everyone, with no exceptions, has to earn their starting spot.   He doesn't want any player to get too relaxed and sure of himself.  Even Josh Lambo has competition this year.

It's the dead zone.  Over-analyzing things is all we have right now.

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