He's a Jaguar right now, and it's sad to see so many anxious to see him fail/cut.  And to see so many laying the foundation for their excuse if he is not cut.

Just put yourself in a position to enjoy it if he's a goal line specialist that delivers some key touchdowns or first downs.  It doesn't mean that you can't preserve your pure hatred for his fans, what he stands for, etc.  But you'll be better for it if you root for Tim Tebow.

This is missing the points.

Initially, the criticism was that we were passing up opportunity for plenty of other younger, capable players at that position. That we were putting time into an aging player with no experience at the position, and that there was little reason for doing so other than the player and coach having past history together.

I don't believe anyone here who is a fan of the team wants to see him fail or be cut, especially now that he's been signed to the roster. I think many more were critical of the tryout or signing itself, but now the bed has been made and we have no choice but to sleep in it.

Why does everyone who refuses to acknowledge the sketchiness of this whole ordeal think of him not as a TE, the position he worked out for and was signed, and also continues to get reps at in practice, but this homunculous "goal line specialist" position, like TLaw, Etienne, Shenault, or Robinson won't be able to get a yard and a half in a critical situation? Why doesn't any of the optomists here think he'll be outworking LB or laying a crucial block like every other TE on the roster? If we were looking to acquire a gimmick, we already had Shenault, Etienne, Jack, and even Agnew on the squad.

I don't care who's wearing the helmet, I'm going to cheer for them. Doesn't mean I'm not going to question our team's leadership if they are making some questionable moves before that big play happens.

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does he have a Tesla coil or something?

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ding ding ding.

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/20...sion-plan/

Another credited season would give Tebow greater benefits.

I have firmly believed from day one that if he makes the final roster to begin the season, he'll be on the roster at the end of the season, too.

Do I foresee him on the field much over that season, not hardly.

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His net worth is north of $6 million and he's got a steady income stream from endorsements and whatever else work he does.  The NFL pension for a three-year player is $21k per year.  I don't think UM is particularly focused on organising his team plan around securing a financially independent Tebow a $21k revenue stream.

Given the fact that Tebow is immortal and will likely live forever, that $21k/year can amount to a lot of $$.  Although, I must admit, given the cost of money factor, that $21k will really not be that valuable in the year 2245 when Tebow celebrates his 258th birthday.

Coincidentally, my student loans will be paid off that same year!

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His net worth is north of $6 million and he's got a steady income stream from endorsements and whatever else work he does.  The NFL pension for a three-year player is $21k per year.  I don't think UM is particularly focused on organising his team plan around securing a financially independent Tebow a $21k revenue stream.

Given the fact that Tebow is immortal and will likely live forever, that $21k/year can amount to a lot of $$.  Although, I must admit, given the cost of money factor, that $21k will really not be that valuable in the year 2245 when Tebow celebrates his 258th birthday.

He does not need any more games to qualify for his NFL pension.  He has already qualified.

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What a wonderful story of guy overcoming lack of ability with cronyism. Hope Hollywood is watching

@are you suggesting Teebs pursue an acting career if he misses out on the pension thing?@

HE DOES NOT NEED ANY MORE GAMES TO QUALIFY FOR HIS NFL PENSION.  HE HAS ALREADY QUALIFIED. 

[b]HE DOES NOT NEED ANY MORE GAMES TO QUALIFY FOR HIS NFL PENSION.  HE HAS ALREADY QUALIFIED. [/b]

[b][b][b]HE DOES NOT NEED ANY MORE GAMES TO QUALIFY FOR HIS NFL PENSION.  HE HAS ALREADY QUALIFIED. [/b][/b][/b]

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He's a Jaguar right now, and it's sad to see so many anxious to see him fail/cut.  And to see so many laying the foundation for their excuse if he is not cut.

Just put yourself in a position to enjoy it if he's a goal line specialist that delivers some key touchdowns or first downs.  It doesn't mean that you can't preserve your pure hatred for his fans, what he stands for, etc.  But you'll be better for it if you root for Tim Tebow.

Well, it's probably because he got the job by being friends with the HC instead of actually deserving it.

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"Treyvon Wallet is elite run defender and better overall than Aidan Hutchinson" 11/11/23

I cant believe this guy is trying to scam $21k a year from us hard working Jaguars fans. Thats my ticket sales money he is trying to steal. This circus has to stop, its no stop Tebomania and no one can get anything done at practice. Plus this guy knows the coach, giant red flag...I only want football players that have absolutely no knowledge at all to anyone in the football world.

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I cant believe this guy is trying to scam $21k a year from us hard working Jaguars fans. Thats my ticket sales money he is trying to steal. This circus has to stop, its no stop Tebomania and no one can get anything done at practice. Plus this guy knows the coach, giant red flag...I only want football players that have absolutely no knowledge at all to anyone in the football world.

I only want players that previously failed in the NFL then went on to play minor league baseball.  Once those 2 boxes are checked, I'm all in.

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I cant believe this guy is trying to scam $21k a year from us hard working Jaguars fans. Thats my ticket sales money he is trying to steal. This circus has to stop, its no stop Tebomania and no one can get anything done at practice. Plus this guy knows the coach, giant red flag...I only want football players that have absolutely no knowledge at all to anyone in the football world.

I only want players that previously failed in the NFL then went on to play minor league baseball.  Once those 2 boxes are checked, I'm all in.

*Must be learning a brand new position never tried before.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Given the fact that Tebow is immortal and will likely live forever, that $21k/year can amount to a lot of $$.  Although, I must admit, given the cost of money factor, that $21k will really not be that valuable in the year 2245 when Tebow celebrates his 258th birthday.

He does not need any more games to qualify for his NFL pension.  He has already qualified.

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@are you suggesting Teebs pursue an acting career if he misses out on the pension thing?@

HE DOES NOT NEED ANY MORE GAMES TO QUALIFY FOR HIS NFL PENSION.  HE HAS ALREADY QUALIFIED. 

[b]HE DOES NOT NEED ANY MORE GAMES TO QUALIFY FOR HIS NFL PENSION.  HE HAS ALREADY QUALIFIED. [/b]

[b][b][b]HE DOES NOT NEED ANY MORE GAMES TO QUALIFY FOR HIS NFL PENSION.  HE HAS ALREADY QUALIFIED. [/b][/b][/b]

So what are you implying?

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Why does everyone who refuses to acknowledge the sketchiness of this whole ordeal think of him not as a TE, the position he worked out for and was signed, and also continues to get reps at in practice, but this homunculous "goal line specialist" position, like TLaw, Etienne, Shenault, or Robinson won't be able to get a yard and a half in a critical situation?

Because I don't think he's being brought in because of his ability to learn how to block or catch a tight end seam route. I think he's being brought in because of what he can already do, what he's already good at. But in order for that to be worth it, he has to hold down a roster position, and be able to competently back it up if called upon to do so. (You can't be JUST a specialist).

As for TLaw, Etienne, Shenault, or Robinson -- that's just a matter of "why not Player X instead of Player Y." I think Tebow is better in short yardage than all four of those names. But then, I think Tebow would be better than most players you can name in short yardage. On the other hand, many here think Tebow is not even "good" by NFL standards at short yardage, much less better than any other player on any roster.

For those people, it's a bit of cognitive dissonance -- because they have to choose one of the following options, as they are the only two options: (1) Urban Meyer, new coach of the Jags, believes a player who is not even "good" could possibly help this team score, so therefore Urban Meyer is a dumb evaluator of talent; or (2) Urban Meyer is using a Jags roster spot to deliver a favor to a friend, which would be terrible.

If you open your mind to the possibility "Urban Meyer legitimately believes Tebow can help the team on the field in certain situations," it opens up the possibility that you've got a good coach and a good player. And if it turns out not to be the case, trust Urban to cut Tebow.

The game is a torment when you're rooting for a team but against a player, just so you can be right. When it's the other way around, it's a much more pleasant enjoyment.

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Why does everyone who refuses to acknowledge the sketchiness of this whole ordeal think of him not as a TE, the position he worked out for and was signed, and also continues to get reps at in practice, but this homunculous "goal line specialist" position, like TLaw, Etienne, Shenault, or Robinson won't be able to get a yard and a half in a critical situation?

Because I don't think he's being brought in because of his ability to learn how to block or catch a tight end seam route.  I think he's being brought in because of what he can already do, what he's already good at.  But in order for that to be worth it, he has to hold down a roster position, and be able to competently back it up if called upon to do so.  (You can't be JUST a specialist).  

As for TLaw, Etienne, Shenault, or Robinson -- that's just a matter of "why not Player X instead of Player Y."  I think Tebow is better in short yardage than all four of those names.  But then, I think Tebow would be better than most players you can name in short yardage.  On the other hand, many here think Tebow is not even "good" by NFL standards at short yardage, much less better than any other player on any roster.  

For those people, it's a bit of cognitive dissonance -- because they have to choose one of the following options, as they are the only two options:  (1) Urban Meyer, new coach of the Jags, believes a player who is not even "good" could possibly help this team score, so therefore Urban Meyer is a dumb evaluator of talent; or (2) Urban Meyer is using a Jags roster spot to deliver a favor to a friend, which would be terrible.

If you open your mind to the possibility "Urban Meyer legitimately believes Tebow can help the team on the field in certain situations," it opens up the possibility that you've got a good coach and a good player.  And if it turns out not to be the case, trust Urban to cut Tebow.  

The game is a torment when you're rooting for a team but against a player, just so you can be right.  When it's the other way around, it's a much more pleasant enjoyment.

The reality is, even though Tim was good in those short yardage situations, there's no way to know if he still is - he hasn't played in years, and there's no way he can even practice those runs right now to ensure he gets back to form.
maybe Meyer should just let him run an entire half of a pre-season game with nothing but running plays out of the QB position.  At least then we will know once and for all if he's even capable of it any longer.

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Why does everyone who refuses to acknowledge the sketchiness of this whole ordeal think of him not as a TE, the position he worked out for and was signed, and also continues to get reps at in practice, but this homunculous "goal line specialist" position, like TLaw, Etienne, Shenault, or Robinson won't be able to get a yard and a half in a critical situation?

Because I don't think he's being brought in because of his ability to learn how to block or catch a tight end seam route.  I think he's being brought in because of what he can already do, what he's already good at.  But in order for that to be worth it, he has to hold down a roster position, and be able to competently back it up if called upon to do so.  (You can't be JUST a specialist).  

As for TLaw, Etienne, Shenault, or Robinson -- that's just a matter of "why not Player X instead of Player Y."  I think Tebow is better in short yardage than all four of those names.  But then, I think Tebow would be better than most players you can name in short yardage.  On the other hand, many here think Tebow is not even "good" by NFL standards at short yardage, much less better than any other player on any roster.  

For those people, it's a bit of cognitive dissonance -- because they have to choose one of the following options, as they are the only two options:  (1) Urban Meyer, new coach of the Jags, believes a player who is not even "good" could possibly help this team score, so therefore Urban Meyer is a dumb evaluator of talent; or (2) Urban Meyer is using a Jags roster spot to deliver a favor to a friend, which would be terrible.

If you open your mind to the possibility "Urban Meyer legitimately believes Tebow can help the team on the field in certain situations," it opens up the possibility that you've got a good coach and a good player.  And if it turns out not to be the case, trust Urban to cut Tebow.  

The game is a torment when you're rooting for a team but against a player, just so you can be right.  When it's the other way around, it's a much more pleasant enjoyment.

You created a false dichotomy there because the answer is "Both"; he's both unfit for the NFL and a godfather of cronyism.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Why does everyone who refuses to acknowledge the sketchiness of this whole ordeal think of him not as a TE, the position he worked out for and was signed, and also continues to get reps at in practice, but this homunculous "goal line specialist" position, like TLaw, Etienne, Shenault, or Robinson won't be able to get a yard and a half in a critical situation?

Because I don't think he's being brought in because of his ability to learn how to block or catch a tight end seam route.  I think he's being brought in because of what he can already do, what he's already good at.  But in order for that to be worth it, he has to hold down a roster position, and be able to competently back it up if called upon to do so.  (You can't be JUST a specialist).  

As for TLaw, Etienne, Shenault, or Robinson -- that's just a matter of "why not Player X instead of Player Y."  I think Tebow is better in short yardage than all four of those names.  But then, I think Tebow would be better than most players you can name in short yardage.  On the other hand, many here think Tebow is not even "good" by NFL standards at short yardage, much less better than any other player on any roster.  

For those people, it's a bit of cognitive dissonance -- because they have to choose one of the following options, as they are the only two options:  (1) Urban Meyer, new coach of the Jags, believes a player who is not even "good" could possibly help this team score, so therefore Urban Meyer is a dumb evaluator of talent; or (2) Urban Meyer is using a Jags roster spot to deliver a favor to a friend, which would be terrible.

If you open your mind to the possibility "Urban Meyer legitimately believes Tebow can help the team on the field in certain situations," it opens up the possibility that you've got a good coach and a good player.  And if it turns out not to be the case, trust Urban to cut Tebow.  

The game is a torment when you're rooting for a team but against a player, just so you can be right.  When it's the other way around, it's a much more pleasant enjoyment.

Your trying to instill a winning culture, you bring in Winners.

Does anyone really believe that Tebow needs that pension money?

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Because I don't think he's being brought in because of his ability to learn how to block or catch a tight end seam route.  I think he's being brought in because of what he can already do, what he's already good at.  But in order for that to be worth it, he has to hold down a roster position, and be able to competently back it up if called upon to do so.  (You can't be JUST a specialist).  

As for TLaw, Etienne, Shenault, or Robinson -- that's just a matter of "why not Player X instead of Player Y."  I think Tebow is better in short yardage than all four of those names.  But then, I think Tebow would be better than most players you can name in short yardage.  On the other hand, many here think Tebow is not even "good" by NFL standards at short yardage, much less better than any other player on any roster.  

For those people, it's a bit of cognitive dissonance -- because they have to choose one of the following options, as they are the only two options:  (1) Urban Meyer, new coach of the Jags, believes a player who is not even "good" could possibly help this team score, so therefore Urban Meyer is a dumb evaluator of talent; or (2) Urban Meyer is using a Jags roster spot to deliver a favor to a friend, which would be terrible.

If you open your mind to the possibility "Urban Meyer legitimately believes Tebow can help the team on the field in certain situations," it opens up the possibility that you've got a good coach and a good player.  And if it turns out not to be the case, trust Urban to cut Tebow.  

The game is a torment when you're rooting for a team but against a player, just so you can be right.  When it's the other way around, it's a much more pleasant enjoyment.

Your trying to instill a winning culture, you bring in Winners.

Does anyone really believe that Tebow needs that pension money?

And he's that winner? That guy crying on the sideline after being beaten by Bama? Sigh. It's a team sport.

Tiger Woods is a winner. Phil Mickelson is a winner. Andre Agassi is a winner. I can go on and on... even some sports where individuals can eclipse the team... Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kareem.... those guys are winners.

Tebow just happened to be on a College team when they won once and then was the QB (not a very good one) on another.

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Because I don't think he's being brought in because of his ability to learn how to block or catch a tight end seam route.  I think he's being brought in because of what he can already do, what he's already good at.  But in order for that to be worth it, he has to hold down a roster position, and be able to competently back it up if called upon to do so.  (You can't be JUST a specialist).  

As for TLaw, Etienne, Shenault, or Robinson -- that's just a matter of "why not Player X instead of Player Y."  I think Tebow is better in short yardage than all four of those names.  But then, I think Tebow would be better than most players you can name in short yardage.  On the other hand, many here think Tebow is not even "good" by NFL standards at short yardage, much less better than any other player on any roster.  

For those people, it's a bit of cognitive dissonance -- because they have to choose one of the following options, as they are the only two options:  (1) Urban Meyer, new coach of the Jags, believes a player who is not even "good" could possibly help this team score, so therefore Urban Meyer is a dumb evaluator of talent; or (2) Urban Meyer is using a Jags roster spot to deliver a favor to a friend, which would be terrible.

If you open your mind to the possibility "Urban Meyer legitimately believes Tebow can help the team on the field in certain situations," it opens up the possibility that you've got a good coach and a good player.  And if it turns out not to be the case, trust Urban to cut Tebow.  

The game is a torment when you're rooting for a team but against a player, just so you can be right.  When it's the other way around, it's a much more pleasant enjoyment.

You created a false dichotomy there because the answer is "Both"; he's both unfit for the NFL and a godfather of cronyism.

It's not a dichotomy, they can choose both (it should say choose one more). The cognitive dissonance is not because they are hard to choose between the two, it's because either one means "Urban Meyer bad coach." My post goes on to suggest a third possibility that leaves open that Urban is competent. (Remains to be seen, but more fun to root for a guy than against him).

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Your trying to instill a winning culture, you bring in Winners.

Does anyone really believe that Tebow needs that pension money?

And he's that winner? That guy crying on the sideline after being beaten by Bama? Sigh. It's a team sport.

Tiger Woods is a winner. Phil Mickelson is a winner. Andre Agassi is a winner. I can go on and on... even some sports where individuals can eclipse the team... Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kareem.... those guys are winners.

Tebow just happened to be on a College team when they won once and then was the QB (not a very good one) on another.

Tiger Woods is actually a loser. That guy is messed up in the head.

The rest are winners like Tebow.

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You created a false dichotomy there because the answer is "Both"; he's both unfit for the NFL and a godfather of cronyism.

It's not a dichotomy, they can choose both (it should say choose one more).  The cognitive dissonance is not because they are hard to choose between the two, it's because either one means "Urban Meyer bad coach."  My post goes on to suggest a third possibility that leaves open that Urban is competent.  (Remains to be seen, but more fun to root for a guy than against him).

Thinking an aging athlete likely has little to contribute as he learns a new position in a game he hasn't played in years isn't "rooting against him. " 

Stop trying to polarize this.  You've done so in multiple posts. There are a spectrum of opinions expressed in this thread - not two opposing poles. 

 Very few posters in this thread have come out  blatantly "rooting against" the guy while MANY more have merely expressed skepticism of his abilities. And more pointedly, his CURRENT abilities.

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And he's that winner? That guy crying on the sideline after being beaten by Bama? Sigh. It's a team sport.

Tiger Woods is a winner. Phil Mickelson is a winner. Andre Agassi is a winner. I can go on and on... even some sports where individuals can eclipse the team... Michael Jordan, Larry Bird, Magic Johnson, Kareem.... those guys are winners.

Tebow just happened to be on a College team when they won once and then was the QB (not a very good one) on another.

Tiger Woods is actually a loser. That guy is messed up in the head.

The rest are winners like Tebow.

Tebow doesn't have the IQ to have an individual thought. He's not a winner. Just a moron with controlling parents.

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 Very few posters in this thread have come out  blatantly "rooting against" the guy while MANY more have merely expressed skepticism of his abilities. An more pointedly, his CURRENT abilities.

I disagree. But I accept that as your assessment of what you see in this thread, with the full weight of your judgment. Mere skepticism.

I would describe me as skeptical, in terms of how I truly see it -- I can't imagine that he could contribute at an NFL level after switching positions at age 34. In terms of what seems most plausible and "in the cards," Urban has "the talk" with Tebow and his career ends here, where the staff has to make the best decision for the team. But it would be awesome if he's got it, and can assist -- because he's really really good at the things he's best at.

I see many people personally investing their entire credibility in this being a freak show, something where the fix is in and Tebow should never have been given this chance. I don't see skepticism, I see full on emotional investment in his failure.

But I hear you -- your full judgment is you see none of that -- just healthy skepticism. Got it.

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 Very few posters in this thread have come out  blatantly "rooting against" the guy while MANY more have merely expressed skepticism of his abilities. An more pointedly, his CURRENT abilities.

I disagree.  But I accept that as your assessment of what you see in this thread, with the full weight of your judgment.  Mere skepticism.  

I would describe me as skeptical, in terms of how I truly see it -- I can't imagine that he could contribute at an NFL level after switching positions at age 34.  In terms of what seems most plausible and "in the cards," Urban has "the talk" with Tebow and his career ends here, where the staff has to make the best decision for the team.  But it would be awesome if he's got it, and can assist -- because he's really really good at the things he's best at.

I see many people personally investing their entire credibility in this being a freak show, something where the fix is in and Tebow should never have been given this chance.  I don't see skepticism, I see full on emotional investment in his failure.

But I hear you -- your full judgment is you see none of that -- just healthy skepticism.   Got it.

And that has everything to do with what NYC said.

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 Very few posters in this thread have come out  blatantly "rooting against" the guy while MANY more have merely expressed skepticism of his abilities. An more pointedly, his CURRENT abilities.

I disagree.  But I accept that as your assessment of what you see in this thread, with the full weight of your judgment.  Mere skepticism.  

I would describe me as skeptical, in terms of how I truly see it -- I can't imagine that he could contribute at an NFL level after switching positions at age 34.  In terms of what seems most plausible and "in the cards," Urban has "the talk" with Tebow and his career ends here, where the staff has to make the best decision for the team.  But it would be awesome if he's got it, and can assist -- because he's really really good at the things he's best at.

I see many people personally investing their entire credibility in this being a freak show, something where the fix is in and Tebow should never have been given this chance.  I don't see skepticism, I see full on emotional investment in his failure.

But I hear you -- your full judgment is you see none of that -- just healthy skepticism.   Got it.

Wow. 

Again - you definitely don't got it. And stop putting words in my mouth. You suck at it. 

I said there are more posters expressing skepticism than actually rooting against the guy you [BLEEP] dimwit.

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I disagree.  But I accept that as your assessment of what you see in this thread, with the full weight of your judgment.  Mere skepticism.  

I would describe me as skeptical, in terms of how I truly see it -- I can't imagine that he could contribute at an NFL level after switching positions at age 34.  In terms of what seems most plausible and "in the cards," Urban has "the talk" with Tebow and his career ends here, where the staff has to make the best decision for the team.  But it would be awesome if he's got it, and can assist -- because he's really really good at the things he's best at.

I see many people personally investing their entire credibility in this being a freak show, something where the fix is in and Tebow should never have been given this chance.  I don't see skepticism, I see full on emotional investment in his failure.

But I hear you -- your full judgment is you see none of that -- just healthy skepticism.   Got it.

Wow. 

Again - you definitely don't got it. And stop putting words in my mouth. You suck at it. 

I said there are more posters expressing skepticism than actually rooting against the guy you [BLEEP] dimwit.

You said very few, versus MANY more. You capitalized MANY more. I quoted you, so as not to mis-paraphrase. And I said you see "none of that," meaning none of the sentiments expressed in my post above that (as my opinion).

It just means we are in polar opposite corners as to how we view this thread. Which, from your standpoint, is to be expected -- you called me a dimwit above, and presumably you don't see yourself as a dimwit.

I think it speaks for itself, and your position is plainly staked out. It does match reality at all, in my view.

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