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All Time Top 5s
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How would you rank the top 5 players at each position in team history?
I can tell you right now, in some cases, this will be a depressing exercise. In many positions, I couldn't complete the list without wading deep into mediocrity, if not outright suckage. QB 1. Mark Brunell 2. Blake Bortles 3. David Garrard 4. Byron Leftwich 5. Gardner Minshew This is a sad commentary that Bortles or Garrard could be considered the 2nd best QB in team history. I think both Bortles and Garrard were turnover machines, but I give Bortles the edge because he had the better playoff run. Though I was a BL guy, DG gets the edge over him because he had the better single season and the better playoff run. Current Jaguar who could end up on this lst: Trevor Lawrence RB 1. Fred Taylor 2. MJD 3. Fournette 4. Robinson 5. James Stewart I give Fournette the edge over Robinson simply due to longevity. Robinson only did it for a year. Briefly considered Natrone Means over James Stewart, but Stewart had a longer Jaguars career. Current Jaguar who can end up on this list: Robinson and Etienne WR 1. Jimmy Smith 2. Keenan McCardell 3. Allen Robinson 4. Allen Hurns 5. D.J. Chark Blackmon is heartache incarnate who had the ability to be atop this list Current Jaguar who could end up on this list: Chark and Shenault TE 1. Marcedes Lewis=what would his career have been were he allowed to go out on more pass patterns as opposed to staying in to block? 2. Kyle Brady 3. Pete Mitchell 4. Damon Jones 5. ??? Sad that I can't come up with a viable 5th guy. Maybe O Shaugnessey?!? LT 1. Tony Boselli-'Nuff said 2. Eugene Monroe-not a huge fan 3. Khalif Barnes-started well, burned out quickly. 4. Ben Coleman-though he played primarily LG for us, he would fill in at LT when Boselli was injured. He played the position better than anyone else in team history not named Boselli, but he didn't play the position often enough to rank higher. 5. Cam Robinson Current Jaguar who could end up on this list: Little LG-this is tough. 1. Vince Manuwai 2. Andrew Norwell 3. Ben Coleman 4. Brandon Linder 5. Zach Weigert C 1. Brad Meester-started his career as a G and was overmatched against bigger DTs (Haynesworth). Moved to C and flourished. 2. Brandon Linder-like Meester, began his career at G, only he didn't struggle nearly as much at G. Has had a fine career since the move to C 3. Dave Widell-A grizzled vet by the time he got to the Jaguars. Very good size for a C, but it didn't translate into being a good run blocker. Great at identifying blitzers. Had a reputation for being a dirty player. 4. John Wade-just okay 5. Michael CHeever-was an unheralded catalyst for our 96 playoff un. Had he not hurt his back, would rank as an all time Jaguars great. RG 1. Chris Naoele-a powerful blocker and steady vet 2. A.J. Cann 3. Rich Tylski 4. Brendan Stai 5. Shaun Bouwens-speaks volumes that someone from the expansion year ranks in the top 5 at the position. In fact I am wondering if I am missing someone. RT 1. Leon Searcy 2. Tony Pashos 3. Maurice Williams 4. Jermey Parnell 5. Current Jaguar who could end up on this list: Walker Little DE 1. Calais Campbell-wish he were still a Jaguar 2. Tony Brackens 3. Yannick Ngakoue 4. Clyde Simmons 5. Jeff Lageman DT 1. Marcus Stroud 2. John Henderson 3. Gary Walker 4. Malik Jackson 5. Seth Payne Seth Payne got the nod over Marcell Dareus He started slowly but developed very well into a very good DT for us. He was not as innately talented as Dareus, but he had the longer Jaguars career and played at a higher level for us from 1999-2001 than Dareus played for us in 2017-2019. Rob Meier got consideration too. This position is probably the strongest in team history. Current Jaguars candidates: DaVon Hamilton & Marcus Brown OLB 1. Telvin Smith 2. Kevin Hardy 3. Daryl Smith 4. Myles Jack 5. Josh Allen MLB 1. Paul Poszlusny 2. Mike Peterson 3. Hardy Nickerson 4. Tom McManus 5. Lonnie Marts Nickerson had a fine pro career, but his mere consideration for ranking in our top 5 at the position speaks volumes as to how deficient the talent on this team has been. Same for McManus and Marts. Current candidates: Schobert, Jack. CB 1. Jalen Ramsey 2. Rashean Mathis 3. Aaron Beasley 4. A.J. Bouye 5. Fernando Bryant Mathis should get top consideration due to longevity here, but in terms of pure ability, Ramsey was the best ever for us. Too bad he didn't want to stay here. Current candidates: CJ Henderson, Tyson Campbell, S. Griffin, T. Campbell. SS 1. Donovin Darius 2. Barry Church 3. ?? 4. ?? 5. ?? FS See earlier rankings Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
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Mark Brunell David Garrard Blake Bortles Gardner Minshew Byron Leftwich Honestly Trevor should probably already be on here lol RB Fred Taylor Maurice Jones-Drew James Stewart Leonard Fournette James Robinson FB Greg Jones Montell Owens Tommy Bohanon Damion Shelton Stacy Mack WR Jimmy Smith Keenan McCradell Allen Robinson Allen Hurns DJ Chark TE Marcedes Lewis Kyle Brady Pete Mitchell Julius Thomas Damon Jones LT Tony Boselli Khalid Barnes Eugene Monroe Ben Coleman Cam Robinson LG Vince Manuwai Ben Coleman Andrew Norwell Zane Beadles Patrick Omameh C Brad Meester Brandon Linder Dave Widell John Wade Michael Cheever RG Chris Naeole Uche Nwaneri AJ Cann Rich Tylski Zach Wiegert RT Leon Searcy Maurice Williams Jermey Parnell Tony Pashos Jawaan Taylor DE Tony Brackens Calais Campbell Yannick Ngakoue Joel Smeenge Clyde Simmons DT John Henderson Marcus Stroud Gary Walker Malik Jackson Sen’Derrick Marks/Tyson Alualu OLB Kevin Hardy Telvin Smith Daryl Smith Myles Jack Josh Allen MLB Paul Posluszny Mike Peterson Hardy Nickerson Lonnie Marts Joe Schobert? CB Jalen Ramsey Rashean Mathis AJ Bouye Aaron Beasley Fernando Bryant? Derek Cox? SS Donovin Darius Barry Church Dawan Laundry Jonathan Cyprien Gerald Sensabaugh FS Carnell Lake Tashaun Gipson Deon Grant Reggie Nelson Marlon McCree/Chris Hudson K Josh Scobee Josh Lambo Mike Hollis Jason Myers Aldrick Rosas? P Bryan Barker Chris Hanson Logan Cooke Bryan Anger Adam Podlesh (07-11-2021, 04:35 PM)HolsterHusto Wrote: QB You did a better job than I did. You remembered guys I forgot (Montell Owens, Senderrick Marks, Uche Nwaneri). Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
I don't have the time to make full top 5 lists, but I will definitely die on the Garrard > Bortles hill. Bortles had two seasons where he wound up almost exactly average overall through very different methods. Garrard had 4 solid above average seasons and 2007 was legitimately MVP 'others in consideration' level.
(07-11-2021, 04:51 PM)Upper Wrote: I don't have the time to make full top 5 lists, but I will definitely die on the Garrard > Bortles hill. Bortles had two seasons where he wound up almost exactly average overall through very different methods. Garrard had 4 solid above average seasons and 2007 was legitimately MVP 'others in consideration' level. With you there. 3 INTs was pretty insane. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (07-11-2021, 04:51 PM)Upper Wrote: I don't have the time to make full top 5 lists, but I will definitely die on the Garrard > Bortles hill. Bortles had two seasons where he wound up almost exactly average overall through very different methods. Garrard had 4 solid above average seasons and 2007 was legitimately MVP 'others in consideration' level. Same here and I will go to my grave believing we beat (was it New England) had Garrard not been pulled as the starter in favor of Leftwich in that playoff game. He still almost brought us back.
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Some other guys that deserves top 5 consideration: Bobby McCray Reggie Hayward Carnell Lake Dione Figures Julius Thomas Natrone Means just based on the Buffalo game alone @ RT - the kid from Arizona Marlon McCree Dareus he single handily changed our run defense Lambo is the best kicker already Hollis made some of the biggest playoff FG Scobee longevity and a fan favorite Brackens is the all time best DE in my opinion. If injuries didn’t slow him down he would have been in Canton. Random fun fact all these all timers made me remember - did you know Jimmy Smith scored 2 special teams TDs in 1 game against Denver in 1995. Came back the following year and put the dagger in the playoffs. (07-11-2021, 03:19 PM)Bullseye Wrote: How would you rank the top 5 players at each position in team history? i don't have the time right now to go through all the lists but here are mine on the ones i can think of top of my head QB: Brunelle Garrard Bortles Leftwich Minshew RB: Taylor MJD Stewart and Means Robinson Fournette - only reason i have Fournette below Robinson is cause Robinson as a undrafted beat him out in camp and Fournette could not hit a hold to save his lift. WR: Thunder Lighting Arob Chark Shorts III TE: Lewis Brady Mitchell Oshay not sure can even find a 5th who has done anything as a jaguar Julius maybe FB: Greg Jones Owens Mack Oline: I added a few extra as i pooled them all into one. Boselli Manuwai Meester Naeole Linder Searcy Uche Monroe Robinson
(07-11-2021, 11:21 PM)icey14 Wrote:(07-11-2021, 03:19 PM)Bullseye Wrote: How would you rank the top 5 players at each position in team history? Why would you consider Shorts III as a top 5 WR? And Uche over Coleman? Coleman was one of the only lineman that could play guard and/or LT and not miss a beat. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (07-11-2021, 08:04 PM)copycat Wrote:(07-11-2021, 04:51 PM)Upper Wrote: I don't have the time to make full top 5 lists, but I will definitely die on the Garrard > Bortles hill. Bortles had two seasons where he wound up almost exactly average overall through very different methods. Garrard had 4 solid above average seasons and 2007 was legitimately MVP 'others in consideration' level. IIRC it was 2004, and Mo Williams either tore a muscle or broke his hand, and Willie McGinest feasted that day. Leftwich had no chance, but it was the dumbest decision to put a statue in that situation. 2007 we should have beaten the Pats, but we had Rodney and alligator-armed Dennis Northcutt playing WR that day. Not that I'm bitter about that... Bullseye. I'd add Greg Jones to the RB list in place of Robinson. He's only done it for a season, no telling if he can keep it going. Greg opened a bunch of holes for Freddy and Mojo, and regardless of his stats, he was a crucial part of those offenses. For TE, I'd add George Wrighster to your list - he was often the receiving TE at the end of Brady's tenure, and around the time Lewis came in, if I recall. Never one to be a threat to get a 100 yard game, but good to help move the chains. IIRC back troubles limited his play, though. Y'all are a lot better at remembering things than I am, though. Some of these names were a blast from the past.
Hardy Nickerson doesn’t get enough love for his brief stint with the Jags. Even though he really only had one healthy season for the Jags, it was a good one. At 36 years old, he set a career and franchise record with 230 tackles despite only playing 15 games. He also intercepted three passes.
I’m willing to bet if he stayed healthy in the 2000 season, he probably would’ve been a Pro Bowler for us. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (07-12-2021, 01:50 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote:(07-11-2021, 11:21 PM)icey14 Wrote: i don't have the time right now to go througshirts h all the lists but here are mine on the ones i can think of top of my head Shorts is in my opinion has been the 5th best. Which isn't a good thing. Laviska will up there soon. Coleman I will have to check out as i dont remeber him.
(07-12-2021, 11:20 AM)HolsterHusto Wrote: Hardy Nickerson doesn’t get enough love for his brief stint with the Jags. Even though he really only had one healthy season for the Jags, it was a good one. At 36 years old, he set a career and franchise record with 230 tackles despite only playing 15 games. He also intercepted three passes. The guy doesn't get enough love for his entire body of work, he was a great football player and a genuinely good man. “An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato
Nickerson, Marts, and Robinson were considered as the best LB unit in the NFL from what I remember as a kid.
We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (07-11-2021, 03:19 PM)Bullseye Wrote: How would you rank the top 5 players at each position in team history? Ok QB's. Garrard made a pro-bowl, Bortles didn't. Both beat the Steelers on the road for their signature playoff win and lost to New England; the 16-0 2007 Patriots were better than the 2017 Patriots imho, considering Bortles lackluster play in the wildcard game against the Bills in 2017 I don't think we can really say that Bortles had the better playoff run. Garrard came up clutch against the Steelers and then was straight up MAGIC against the Patriots and his receivers let him down TE - Julius Thomas should be #5 yea he was a let down in terms of the 1k perennial probowler we expected but 700-800 yards and just shy of 10 TD's in his 2 seasons here is a lot better than some of the J.A.G.'s the team has trotted out there not named Marcedes Lewis the past decade plus. LT - Eugene Monroe had a rough rookie year and then was terrific, not sure why he gets as much hate as he does; the downgrade from him to Joeckel really kickstarted the "dark ages" imho, we didn't have a passable NFL starter at LT until Cam Robinson was drafted. Guard - Coleman > Norwell, also Linder only played RG for us prior to his move to Center. Also Eben Britton should probably be #5 for RT, he was solid and looked promising but his career was derailed by multiple shoulder injuries and the herniated disc in his back which he never really recovered from. DT - Sen'Derrick Marks over Seth Payne, I feel like Marks is a forgotten man, he was Malik Jackson for us before Malik Jackson. 8.5 sacks > 5 sacks; and Marks was just soooo disruptive before his knee injury. I'd seperated Josh Allen into an "EDGE" category; as for the 5th OLB to replace him i'd give the nod to Justin Durant, but Clint Session or Clint Ingram if we're looking for a Strongside linebacker. for CB, i'd move Bouye up 1 spot over Beasley, and i'd replace Fernando "Toast" Bryant with Brian WIlliams, man was an unsung hero at RCB across from Mathis for years. SS: Donovan Darius Barry Church Sammy Knight Gerald Sensabaugh Gerald Alexander FS Deon Grant Tashaun Gipson Reggie Nelson (unfairly criticized imho; never should have traded him) Carnell Lake Dawan Landry otherwise I can see how most of the list was selected; you can nitpick the exact order between 2 places in a few spots but on the whole I don't think there's too many other snubs besides the aforementioned points.
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Brian Williams also played safety a few games. He should definitely be considered in the top 5 defensive backs. Shot out to Mickey Washington for scoring the first ever pick 6 in Jags history.
(07-13-2021, 02:43 AM)JagFanatic24 Wrote: Brian Williams also played safety a few games. He should definitely be considered in the top 5 defensive backs. Shot out to Mickey Washington for scoring the first ever pick 6 in Jags history. Mickey Washington, while not a top 5 CB in Jaguars history, was a largely underappreciated player for us. Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
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