Jake isn't even the best tackle in this draft homeboy. Greg Robinson is being compared to Larry Allen.

Robinson is valued as a physical specimen. His talent level at pass blocking detracts too much from his elite run-blocking ability to consider him the total elite tackle prospect.

 

We've been over this before. 

 

In case you can't figure it out, Auburn was pretty much a one-dimensional offense. The biggest reason for that is their inability to pass-protect.

 

You might want to watch the NCG. About half of Robinson's attempt to pass protect would be called for holding in the NFL.

 

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Well, these quarterbacks are much more PR than great. None have elite talent and don't deserve a higher draft value than players that have elite talent at other positions.

 

The league had been doing a good job of eliminating much of the unfair and inappropriate pressure sports agencies apply by buying up the media, but even the NFL Network is confessing that Rich Eisen's designer wardrobe has forced them to compromise 'in order to pay the bills'.

 

1010xl had a report this morning that none of the QBs... none... carry anything better than a second round grade, much less top 5 material.

 

That reiterates what's been suggested about this crop by earlier reports.

 

There's no bonafide franchise/elite candidate.  Not a single one.

 

This is so deja vu, when the lack of talent at the top grossly overrates the few that are there.  This crop so much smacks of Harrington, Carr, Sanchez, Clausen, and more recently Geno Smith.  So many are desperately trying to sell them as something more, and to me it seems obvious this is what's going on.

 

There seems to be a huge gap between the reality and the hype behind the top of this crop.

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Robinson is valued as a physical specimen. His talent level at pass blocking detracts too much from his elite run-blocking ability to consider him the total elite tackle prospect.

 

We've been over this before. 

 

In case you can't figure it out, Auburn was pretty much a one-dimensional offense. The biggest reason for that is their inability to pass-protect.

 

You might want to watch the NCG. About half of Robinson's attempt to pass protect would be called for holding in the NFL.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdwZq0UgwHM#t=154

So would about 90% of the blocks in the NFL. Schlereth said he held someone on almost every play when he was playing. Matthews is very good right now but Robinson will end up being a better tackle.

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1010xl had a report this morning that none of the QBs... none... carry anything better than a second round grade, much less top 5 material.

 

That reiterates what's been suggested about this crop by earlier reports.

 

There's no bonafide franchise/elite candidate.  Not a single one.

 

This is so deja vu, when the lack of talent at the top grossly overrates the few that are there.  This crop so much smacks of Harrington, Carr, Sanchez, Clausen, and more recently Geno Smith.  So many are desperately trying to sell them as something more, and to me it seems obvious this is what's going on.

 

There seems to be a huge gap between the reality and the hype behind the top of this crop.

 

some "report"? 

 

What kind of report?  Who came up with the report?  I guarantee you this year won't be like last year when only 1 QB was taken in the first.

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Robinson is valued as a physical specimen. His talent level at pass blocking detracts too much from his elite run-blocking ability to consider him the total elite tackle prospect.

 

We've been over this before. 

 

In case you can't figure it out, Auburn was pretty much a one-dimensional offense. The biggest reason for that is their inability to pass-protect.

 

You might want to watch the NCG. About half of Robinson's attempt to pass protect would be called for holding in the NFL.

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vdwZq0UgwHM#t=154

 

True.  Robinson may be viewed as a better raw prospect perhaps.

 

He didn't necessarily impress at the combine, some were expecting better.

 

And you're right... the biggest knock on him is that he certainly isn't NFL ready re: pass blocking, but is expected to be able to get their in time (but certainly not day one.)

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some "report"? 

 

What kind of report?  Who came up with the report?  I guarantee you this year won't be like last year when only 1 QB was taken in the first.

 

Can't recall the name, but I would have if I had remembered.  I wasn't avidly taking notes on my commute to work this morning.

 

You sound offended.  Upset that this doesn't match your opinion?  Don't act like this isn't the first time you've heard this about this overrated crop.  You could email the station if you really cared... which it seems like you do.

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Can't recall the name, but I would have if I had remembered.  I wasn't avidly taking notes on my commute to work this morning.

 

You sound offended.  Upset that this doesn't match your opinion?  Don't act like this isn't the first time you've heard this about this overrated crop.  You could email the station if you really cared... which it seems like you do.

 

Not offended, and you can end with the snarky comments right here right now.  The point is, anyone can make a "report"... there are hundreds of draft sites where "experts" have varying opinions.  Now if that comment came from multiple GMs (for some reason), I would maybe listen or care what some "report" said.

 

I agree the QB crop is oftentimes overrated, but for good reason.  The QB position is the most important position by far.  I think Teddy is the only guy really "worth" a top 5 pick, but I wouldn't be surprised if 2 or more go in the top 5. 

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Not offended, and you can end with the snarky comments right here right now.  The point is, anyone can make a "report"... there are hundreds of draft sites where "experts" have varying opinions.  Now if that comment came from multiple GMs (for some reason), I would maybe listen or care what some "report" said.

 

I agree the QB crop is oftentimes overrated, but for good reason.  The QB position is the most important position by far.  I think Teddy is the only guy really "worth" a top 5 pick, but I wouldn't be surprised if 2 or more go in the top 5. 

 

Funny, someone being called "snarky" after the way you've reacted to the report.

 

This was a legit analyst.  I just don't want to blindly guess to get the name wrong.

 

This isn't much different than what Lande and McClain have also said about this crop.  These are guys who have access to war rooms and/or those inside them.

 

By all means, yes.  You're free to believe whatever you wish.  I'm not so convinced about this crop.  There's just nothing there that's so compelling.

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So would about 90% of the blocks in the NFL. Schlereth said he held someone on almost every play when he was playing. Matthews is very good right now but Robinson will end up being a better tackle.

Also, Matthews and Lewan are both more versatile than Robinson is. Lewan candidly stated in a Combine feature that he has zero problems playing right tackle if a team asks him to do so. Many of the analyses of Matthews confide that he can play all offensive line positions, including center.

 

I like Greg Robinson a lot. He can offer me his personal protection at any time. But if J.J. Watt is drawing a bead on me from the end spot, I want a quality pass blocker, and since it's J.J. Watt (or possibly Clowney if his rap meets NFL reality) I need elite talent.

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True.  Robinson may be viewed as a better raw prospect perhaps.

 

He didn't necessarily impress at the combine, some were expecting better.

 

And you're right... the biggest knock on him is that he certainly isn't NFL ready re: pass blocking, but is expected to be able to get their in time (but certainly not day one.)

Except for pass protection, Robinson is as good at Orlando Pace or Willie Roaf.

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Also, Matthews and Lewan are both more versatile than Robinson is. Lewan candidly stated in a Combine feature that he has zero problems playing right tackle if a team asks him to do so. Many of the analyses of Matthews confide that he can play all offensive line positions, including center.

 

Drafting an offensive lineman that high is ridiculous.  Not needed. 

 

Having a QB with some pocket presence will reduce the number of bad plays the offense makes moreso than a tackle drafted high.  Pressure can come from anywhere on the field, not just from the DE spots. 

 

Just get decent guys all over the line.  FA, mid rounds, late 1st, 2nd rounders, etc.... don't "waste" it on a guy in the top 5. 

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Drafting an offensive lineman that high is ridiculous.  Not needed. 

 

Having a QB with some pocket presence will reduce the number of bad plays the offense makes moreso than a tackle drafted high.  Pressure can come from anywhere on the field, not just from the DE spots. 

 

Just get decent guys all over the line.  FA, mid rounds, late 1st, 2nd rounders, etc.... don't "waste" it on a guy in the top 5. 

 

I agree that we're not likely to take an OT, but it all depends on grades.  If a non-QB has an elite grade and the QB doesn't, you don't force a QB pick for the sake of one.  The only wasted pick is lost value.

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1010xl had a report this morning that none of the QBs... none... carry anything better than a second round grade, much less top 5 material.

 

That reiterates what's been suggested about this crop by earlier reports.

 

There's no bonafide franchise/elite candidate.  Not a single one.

 

This is so deja vu, when the lack of talent at the top grossly overrates the few that are there.  This crop so much smacks of Harrington, Carr, Sanchez, Clausen, and more recently Geno Smith.  So many are desperately trying to sell them as something more, and to me it seems obvious this is what's going on.

 

There seems to be a huge gap between the reality and the hype behind the top of this crop.

 

Well if 1010xl reported it, then I'm sure they're absolutely right.  Not trying to get ratings like ESPN or NFLN.  


Aren't they big Tebow fans?  I'm sure they want us to sign him still.

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I agree that we're not likely to take an OT, but it all depends on grades.  If a non-QB has an elite grade and the QB doesn't, you don't force a QB pick for the sake of one.  The only wasted pick is lost value.

 

Yes, I agree - but I think my point is that offensive lineman are overvalued nowadays.

 

For instance, if a punter has an elite grade, he still shouldn't get drafted high, no matter what.

 

Now, by no means am I equating an offensive lineman to a punter, but I think the importance of a tackle is way overblown.  They are NOT that important.  You wouldn't want to draft a MLB #1 overall or a FS #1 overall, and similarly, I wouldn't draft a tackle #1 overall, regardless of how good they are.

 

There are many maaaany tackles that can do a "good enough" job for you to be in the playoffs every year, whereas there are only a handful of QBs that can do that same job.

 

A good team has the "luxury" of drafting a tackle a little higher if they're stacked everywhere, but I think top 5 picks should be QBs, pass rushers, CBs, and "playmakers" such as WRs in this day and age of the NFL.

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I agree that we're not likely to take an OT, but it all depends on grades.  If a non-QB has an elite grade and the QB doesn't, you don't force a QB pick for the sake of one.  The only wasted pick is lost value.

If you give Lewan his true grade, the one he earned prior to last year's draft then confirmed at the Combine, he and Jake are right up in the top five.

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If you give Lewan his true grade, the one he earned prior to last year's draft then confirmed at the Combine, he and Jake are right up in the top five.

 

Why are you ignoring this season?

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Well if 1010xl reported it, then I'm sure they're absolutely right.  Not trying to get ratings like ESPN or NFLN.  


Aren't they big Tebow fans?  I'm sure they want us to sign him still.

 

Intelligent and insightful as always.  Do you discuss anything at all anymore or have you comfortably dug in to sniper mode?

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Why are you ignoring this season?

I am ignoring this season?

 

Not at all. Taylor Lewan could have come out last year and been a top-five pick. His value is top three this draft...confirmed. 

 

For comparison, give me a 40 time for Clowney at 310 Lbs instead of 266 Lbs. 

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Yes, I agree - but I think my point is that offensive lineman are overvalued nowadays.

 

For instance, if a punter has an elite grade, he still shouldn't get drafted high, no matter what.

 

Now, by no means am I equating an offensive lineman to a punter, but I think the importance of a tackle is way overblown.  They are NOT that important.  You wouldn't want to draft a MLB #1 overall or a FS #1 overall, and similarly, I wouldn't draft a tackle #1 overall, regardless of how good they are.

 

There are many maaaany tackles that can do a "good enough" job for you to be in the playoffs every year, whereas there are only a handful of QBs that can do that same job.

 

A good team has the "luxury" of drafting a tackle a little higher if they're stacked everywhere, but I think top 5 picks should be QBs, pass rushers, CBs, and "playmakers" such as WRs in this day and age of the NFL.

 

 

Offensive tackles are dumb to you because you have no idea how valuable they are to a franchise. 

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True.  Robinson may be viewed as a better raw prospect perhaps.

 

He didn't necessarily impress at the combine, some were expecting better.

 

And you're right... the biggest knock on him is that he certainly isn't NFL ready re: pass blocking, but is expected to be able to get their in time (but certainly not day one.)

Robinson didn't impress?! Really? Go look at his combine numbers again

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