Offensive tackles are dumb to you because you have no idea how valuable they are to a franchise. 

 

I just don't think they are that valuable..  Jimmy Johnson has the same viewpoint and actually never took a tackle that high.  Most of the superbowl winning O-lines he had were mid rounders.

 

 

Yeah thank God the Vikings took Matt Kalil...

 

The Redskins taking Trent Williams sure has put them over the top.

 

The Rams taking Jason Smith in 2009 also sure turned their franchise around.

 

Same thing with the Bengals taking Andre Smith in 2009... sure made them playoff contenders (and had nothing to do with AJ Green and Andy Dalton and one of the best Defense's in the league"

 

Jake Long.... even as a perennial pro bowler, didn't help the Dolphins do squat. 

 

 

They are overrated to be taken so high.  Not needed. 

 

Even good tackles taken high on (now) good teams Russell Okung for the Seahawks.... the Seahawks have shown that they can win without him. 

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Intelligent and insightful as always.  Do you discuss anything at all anymore or have you comfortably dug in to sniper mode?

 

I discuss plenty of things on the board, but I won't derail this topic talking about that.


There's plenty of buzz about how X player isn't worth a X round pick.  Ultimately it's the General Manager's job to determine if someone is worth the pick or not.  Not nameless scouts, or radio shows or television stations.  General Managers.  

 

There are plenty of people saying no QB is worth a 1st round pick this year;  There are equal, if not greater, numbers of people saying there are.  In fact there's real talk of a QB going 1st overall.  Over a once in a lifetime player like Clowney.  Surely if no QB was worth a 1st round pick, nobody would think of picking a QB over Clowney. Let alone taken in the Top 5.


One source saying "There's no QB worth a 1st round pick in this draft" is not going to settle things.  Especially when there are plenty of sources that say that there are multiple Quarterbacks with 1st round grades.  


When you present the 1010XL report as 'fact', you're going to get called out on it. There are sources that disagree, and I'm sure there are General Managers who disagree as well -- ones who actually have the GM position as opposed to nameless scouts who will probably never rise any higher than their current position.

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I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 

I just don't think they are that valuable..  Jimmy Johnson has the same viewpoint and actually never took a tackle that high.  Most of the superbowl winning O-lines he had were mid rounders.

 

 

Yeah thank God the Vikings took Matt Kalil...

 

The Redskins taking Trent Williams sure has put them over the top.

 

The Rams taking Jason Smith in 2009 also sure turned their franchise around.

 

Same thing with the Bengals taking Andre Smith in 2009... sure made them playoff contenders (and had nothing to do with AJ Green and Andy Dalton and one of the best Defense's in the league"

 

Jake Long.... even as a perennial pro bowler, didn't help the Dolphins do squat. 

 

 

They are overrated to be taken so high.  Not needed. 

 

Even good tackles taken high on (now) good teams Russell Okung for the Seahawks.... the Seahawks have shown that they can win without him. 

 

Tony Boselli was a scrub? Joe Thomas is a $11 million dollar odd man out?

 

50 sacks in 2012 and 50 sacks in 2013.

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Tony Boselli was a scrub? Joe Thomas is a $11 million dollar odd man out?

 

50 sacks in 2012 and 50 sacks in 2013.

you're right Joe Thomas has led the Browns to greatness

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I just don't think they are that valuable..  Jimmy Johnson has the same viewpoint and actually never took a tackle that high.  Most of the superbowl winning O-lines he had were mid rounders.

 

 

Yeah thank God the Vikings took Matt Kalil...

 

The Redskins taking Trent Williams sure has put them over the top.

 

The Rams taking Jason Smith in 2009 also sure turned their franchise around.

 

Same thing with the Bengals taking Andre Smith in 2009... sure made them playoff contenders (and had nothing to do with AJ Green and Andy Dalton and one of the best Defense's in the league"

 

Jake Long.... even as a perennial pro bowler, didn't help the Dolphins do squat. 

 

 

They are overrated to be taken so high.  Not needed. 

 

Even good tackles taken high on (now) good teams Russell Okung for the Seahawks.... the Seahawks have shown that they can win without him. 

 

You're taking the bait. Hook, line and sinker.

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Take Jake.

 

You have still not explained why we should pick an offensive tackle with the #3 pick. I explained to you very clearly we need interior linemen who played at the same spot their entire careers to get any real improvement on the offensive line. How can you possibly still think we need to pick an offensive tackle at #3?

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you're right Joe Thomas has led the Browns to greatness

Haha this.


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True.  Robinson may be viewed as a better raw prospect perhaps.

 

He didn't necessarily impress at the combine, some were expecting better.

 

And you're right... the biggest knock on him is that he certainly isn't NFL ready re: pass blocking, but is expected to be able to get their in time (but certainly not day one.)

 

I'm thinking of Robinson as an ORT anyway, and he grades out extremely well as a run blocker, but also has the kind of size to make him versatile along the line. 

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I'm thinking of Robinson as an ORT anyway, and he grades out extremely well as a run blocker, but also has the kind of size to make him versatile along the line. 

 

Welcome back TMD. Some people here missed you.

 

"Draft the player, not the position" completely contradicts "All we need is a good QB - everything else will take care of itself." Did you undergo a personality change during your suspension?

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I discuss plenty of things on the board, but I won't derail this topic talking about that.


There's plenty of buzz about how X player isn't worth a X round pick.  Ultimately it's the General Manager's job to determine if someone is worth the pick or not.  Not nameless scouts, or radio shows or television stations.  General Managers.  

 

There are plenty of people saying no QB is worth a 1st round pick this year;  There are equal, if not greater, numbers of people saying there are.  In fact there's real talk of a QB going 1st overall.  Over a once in a lifetime player like Clowney.  Surely if no QB was worth a 1st round pick, nobody would think of picking a QB over Clowney. Let alone taken in the Top 5.


One source saying "There's no QB worth a 1st round pick in this draft" is not going to settle things.  Especially when there are plenty of sources that say that there are multiple Quarterbacks with 1st round grades.  


When you present the 1010XL report as 'fact', you're going to get called out on it. There are sources that disagree, and I'm sure there are General Managers who disagree as well -- ones who actually have the GM position as opposed to nameless scouts who will probably never rise any higher than their current position.

 

Well, that's part of your problem.  Comprehension.  I presented the report as it is.  I stated it as one report that backs previous musings of other reports.  If you took that as gospel, well... I can't help you there.  These are folks opinions, yes, that's a fact.  If you want to dismiss it because it doesn't fit your opinion, that's fine.  If your intent was just to stir the pot with me, that's fine, too.  Just admit whatever it is you're doing.

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"You do your own thing in your own time. You should be proud."

What? You do realize the whiteboard is very important because it shows how the QB understands the defense he's facing and plays being called. Dismissing a QBs understanding of play calling is like dismissing the a doctor's college degree. If a QB isn't sound between the ears he's NEVER going to make it in the NFL. Teddy having the physical tools and the mental tools absolutely makes him one of the best guys right now.


And playing in the AAC will not hurt Teddy in the NFL. Florida and Alabama can't seem to get a QB to stick in the league right now and they print talent at the position the past decade. May be they're all world beaters, but they're all draft worthy, and not one has hit in a while, same with South California.


I don't understand how Teddy has a lower ceiling than Johnny or Bortles either. Teddy's only problem vs Bortles is his size. Teddy has a better arm and mechanics than both Bortles and Johnny. If you're telling me take the QB with the best potential you chose Teddy.


I'm actually not that surprised that Bortles didn't do well on the Whiteboard. UCF ran a very exciting offense, but it didn't seem to demand too much out of the QB position. Lots and lots of run after the catch. I think Bortles could be okay, but he has to sit for a little while. If he plays immediately he'll be the next Gabbert.

All I said was that its not the same....


Gabbert can ace a whiteboard quiz

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All I said was that its not the same....


Gabbert can ace a whiteboard quiz

 

How do you know?

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"Draft the player, not the position" completely contradicts "All we need is a good QB - everything else will take care of itself." Did you undergo a personality change during your suspension?

 

No it doesn't. 

 

In my prior sig, it was still under the assumption that said QB was of top 5 - ish level. 

 

Nowhere am I saying to just "take the next best QB just to have one". 

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Elite QBs who know how to manipulate a pocket don't need a premier LT.

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Elite QBs who know how to manipulate a pocket don't need a premier LT.

 

There are no elite quarterbacks in the draft.

 

We have a premier left tackle on the roster.

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JaguarsWoman

There are no elite quarterbacks in the draft.

 

We have a premier left tackle on the roster.

 

A: you don't know that

 

B: we don't know that

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Bridgewater fellas

 

He aced his interviews and showed high level football iq on the whiteboard

 

Has the pocket presence, accuracy, and arm to boot

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A: you don't know that

 

B: we don't know that

 

Everybody has been saying all year there are no elite quarterbacks in the draft. Everybody said last year Luke Joeckel was the best player in the draft. So yes I do know that.

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JaguarsWoman

Everybody has been saying all year there are no elite quarterbacks in the draft. Everybody said last year Luke Joeckel was the best player in the draft. So yes I do know that.

 

You don't know that and we don't know that.

 

There's a chance that there is no elite QB but there's a chance they could turn out to be.  I suppose you could say there's no elite prospect...if that's what you're saying I could see that.  Joeckel is not an elite LT.

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Tony Boselli was a scrub? Joe Thomas is a $11 million dollar odd man out?

 

50 sacks in 2012 and 50 sacks in 2013.

 

 

How many of those sacks are on Henne and Gabbert just plain sucking? Its not like the O-line was getting blown away by simple pass rushes all day. There were times when Gabbert would complete his drop in a clean pocket and then self sack himself.

 

Henne does this at an alarming rate as well. A awesome LT can only do so much with a crappy QB but a crappy LT can be made to look much better with a awesome QB.

 

Bridgewater is one of those Qbs who makes the O-line better. McCarron and Murray do this as well though to a lesser extent

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