Have you looked into the absolute risk reduction of the vaccine? It's not that great for anyone under 65, and probably worse for kids under 18 (we don't have all the data yet).

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You could have pulled this out of my head, because these are the exact thoughts and questions I have. There is nothing illogical about any question or concern you mentioned. This is stuff everyone should be thinking about and the fact that more people aren’t, frankly scares me.
People with legitimate concerns get lumped in with the anti vaxxer, Qnon conspiracy theory bull crap. Showing any kind of hesitancy makes you a bunker dwelling whack job. I don’t believe they’re implanting tracking devices into anyone, or that this is someone kind of world domination take over and we’re all going to be turned into mindless worker bees for a mysterious cabal somewhere. I just have the same concerns for this vaccine as I have had with every new vaccine or medication they’ve can out with since I’ve been old enough to worry about my own health choices. I have never ran out and got a brand new vaccine for myself or my kid as soon as it hit the market. Hell, I won’t run out and buy a new release of a phone or tv til it’s been out for a while cuz everyone knows they always get something wrong with the first ones! Why would I be any less concerned about something that goes into my body?
Asking questions isn’t a bad thing, unfortunately right now the only answer is “just shut up and take it” while being told to take off your tin foil hat in the process.

That's a perfectly reasonable take.  But when it comes to deciding whether to risk whatever side effects the vaccine might cause, or risk the well-known effects of Covid-19, it seems to me that the prudent choice is the vaccine.

And that may be best for you.  Shaming/berating people asking legitimate questions with legitimate concerns is counter productive.  Silencing people and sites for offering opinions other than the official government mantra goes against the very reason we have the 1st Amendment causing distrust at a level unseen before.

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At some point you just have to let go of what you thought should happen and live in what is happening.
 

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lanmi...HlvdQdOtsU

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When this all first started coming out we (at least I) were led to believe that if you got it you were going to end up in the hospital on a ventilator.  This has simply not been the case for the most part (at least in my circle of family/friends).

I took the vaccine when it was available to me, only because I "saw in the future" where air travel might be restricted.  My parents are elderly and live 2/3 of the way across the country.  I need to be able to get to them quickly if needed.  I also figured that I was shot up with so many different vaccines during my time in the Navy, so I kind of figured... what's one more?

I am against any kind of "mask mandate" for a few reasons.  First, most masks being used are not really protective unless it's the N95 type.  Second, most people don't wear them properly and who knows how they sanitize them?  Finally, most people touch their mask frequently without sanitizing their hands properly.  I have no actual data to back up my thoughts on masks, but logically I would think that the mask might actually be more apt to spread germs/COVID.

I am also against any kind of "vaccine mandate".  I believe that it should be a personal choice whether or not to put any kind of medicine into one's body.  The discussion should be between a person and their doctor.

I am VERY MUCH against any kind of "vaccine passport".  A person's medical history is personal and should be private.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Lookup the i-mask+ protocol for prevention. All readily available otc except for the ivermectin. Will help with all kinds of sickness. Designed to help you absorb everything as the zinc and vitamin d can have issues getting into your system. I'm looking for something with quercetin but haven't found a gummy version with everything.

From what I've read, people on that or the math+ hospital protocol have a much lower risk of having a severe case. Supposed to stop it from multiplying and/or making you sick.

If you are sick and go to the hospital, you will test positive, they will keep testing at the 40 cycles until you do test positive. Then they get their government check. Doesn't matter that the tests are recalled and can't tell the difference from the flu. I don't know what the treatment protocol in the area is but I would demand they start large dose vitamins immediately. Then do whatever you have to do to not let them put you on a ventilator.

Saw a video today of a wife talking about the treatment protocol and what they tried to do for her husband, she demanded they give him vitamins and some steroids and he was out in 3.5 days from the ICU when they said 7-10 days.


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PRushing- sorry about the below if it comes across as a personal attack. It’s not meant to be, I am just very frustrated as someone ‘on the front lines’ who constantly deals with the fallout of the information your helping to spread right now. I can’t talk my own father into getting a COVID vaccine despite the fact he would likely die if he got a moderate case cause he believes much of the same things your putting out.  Please stop, because once people decide, especially people who think they aren’t high risk but are, that they aren’t getting vaccines and focusing on vitamins they end up with some of the worst outcomes. Not all of them, but it’s really really taxing a patient is saying you made up his COVID while he can’t even breath and starts heading down the toilet. Especially when you know they likely wouldn’t even be in the hospital and certainly not the ICU if they got the vaccine.

I am very familiar with COVID testing at my hospital. The only thing that these conspiracy theories get right is the cycle number being 40. We absolutely test for the variants, the standard swab at my hospital automatically includes Flu and RSV. COVID is able to be tested separately. Heck we even do a panel with 20 different viruses on it sometimes. You do not automatically test positive for COVID when you are admitted inpatient. My hospital would be screwed if this was true due to staffing and ppe.

This qanon BS is just ridiculous. People are making terrible decisions based on information that is no more informed than CNN. Just cause they root for your team doesn’t make them more reliable. If you want actual broken down information I suggest medcram COVID videos. They address most questions that are out there with actual EDM and studies, not conspiracy’s and misinformation. Vitamins are not gonna save you from COVID, and while you absolutely should try to hold off on intubation if possible, it often isn’t possible in severe cases. Delta has absolutely caused a huge spike in admissions in my hospital.

Anyway this is all I got for now. I leave the rest upto FSG.

PCR tests by themselves cannot determine flu or covid. It is a fact, the CDC is recalling them and they admitted it's because they can't determine which one it is. They also don't have covid isolated to setup the PCR test to begin with, they used ....... other corona viruses, i.e. the flu. Since the PCR test at 40 cycles has a 97% false positive rate, because it picks up any corona virus and doesn't care how much there is, everyone will test positive if you continue testing them everyday if they have an illness as the test can't tell the difference and 97% failure rate is high odds to get a positive.

You do not test for variants. I'm sorry you think you do but you are not testing for the variants at your hospital. There is no test for the variant other than sending off to labs to do analysis on the DNA and that testing takes weeks. Even the CDC only takes a handful, can't remember the # but I think it is less than 1,000, every week and tests them. Then they create a % for the "variants". Variants also are not isolated, so how do you test for a variant? You cut a snippet of the sequence and compare it, well how many other corona viruses match that sequence? What happens if you switch that snippet off by 1? You have a brand new variant.

Why does everyone need the vaccine? If covid was going to kill you, then I definitely wouldn't risk taking a vaccine that may give you a .5-1.5% that actually benefit. The <1.5% is real, its barred in the results but doesn't look as good as 95% (when 93.5% of the people wouldn't have had an issue with covid). If you have survived this long without getting covid, just continue doing what you are doing and don't risk the adverse events from the vaccine. Vitamins and ivermectin certainly have had effects unless you want to ignore the data in India and other countries where they gave it out and all the cases started dropping immediately. Why won't the hospitals try it? If the patient can't breath and is dying why is your hospital not trying everything to save them? Why are they following a protocol where they know they will die around 80% of the time? Vitamins and ivermectin won't kill you unless they give you a lethal dose like they did to skew some of the studies.

People are getting sick, there is a virus, but the rest of the discussion and how best to treat patients has been shutdown and government bureaucrats that do not treat patients have been allowed to create the protocols that don't work and/or cause harm to the patients. The people who are willing to try everything to save their patients are shut down and forbidden to actually practice medicine and try to keep their oath to do no harm and help their patients.

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The Doctors are the least likely to get the jab




The percentage of each education group that is somewhat vaccine hesitant. Source: Carnegie Mellon University

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"If you always do what you've always done, You'll always get what you always got"

The Doctors are the least likely to get the jab




The percentage of each education group that is somewhat vaccine hesitant. Source: Carnegie Mellon University

So.... we double back to High School after 8 years of education. lol

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PRushing- sorry about the below if it comes across as a personal attack. It’s not meant to be, I am just very frustrated as someone ‘on the front lines’ who constantly deals with the fallout of the information your helping to spread right now. I can’t talk my own father into getting a COVID vaccine despite the fact he would likely die if he got a moderate case cause he believes much of the same things your putting out.  Please stop, because once people decide, especially people who think they aren’t high risk but are, that they aren’t getting vaccines and focusing on vitamins they end up with some of the worst outcomes. Not all of them, but it’s really really taxing a patient is saying you made up his COVID while he can’t even breath and starts heading down the toilet. Especially when you know they likely wouldn’t even be in the hospital and certainly not the ICU if they got the vaccine.

I am very familiar with COVID testing at my hospital. The only thing that these conspiracy theories get right is the cycle number being 40. We absolutely test for the variants, the standard swab at my hospital automatically includes Flu and RSV. COVID is able to be tested separately. Heck we even do a panel with 20 different viruses on it sometimes. You do not automatically test positive for COVID when you are admitted inpatient. My hospital would be screwed if this was true due to staffing and ppe.

This qanon BS is just ridiculous. People are making terrible decisions based on information that is no more informed than CNN. Just cause they root for your team doesn’t make them more reliable. If you want actual broken down information I suggest medcram COVID videos. They address most questions that are out there with actual EDM and studies, not conspiracy’s and misinformation. Vitamins are not gonna save you from COVID, and while you absolutely should try to hold off on intubation if possible, it often isn’t possible in severe cases. Delta has absolutely caused a huge spike in admissions in my hospital.

Anyway this is all I got for now. I leave the rest upto FSG.

PCR tests by themselves cannot determine flu or covid. It is a fact, the CDC is recalling them and they admitted it's because they can't determine which one it is. They also don't have covid isolated to setup the PCR test to begin with, they used ....... other corona viruses, i.e. the flu. Since the PCR test at 40 cycles has a 97% false positive rate, because it picks up any corona virus and doesn't care how much there is, everyone will test positive if you continue testing them everyday if they have an illness as the test can't tell the difference and 97% failure rate is high odds to get a positive.

You do not test for variants. I'm sorry you think you do but you are not testing for the variants at your hospital. There is no test for the variant other than sending off to labs to do analysis on the DNA and that testing takes weeks. Even the CDC only takes a handful, can't remember the # but I think it is less than 1,000, every week and tests them. Then they create a % for the "variants". Variants also are not isolated, so how do you test for a variant? You cut a snippet of the sequence and compare it, well how many other corona viruses match that sequence? What happens if you switch that snippet off by 1? You have a brand new variant.

Why does everyone need the vaccine? If covid was going to kill you, then I definitely wouldn't risk taking a vaccine that may give you a .5-1.5% that actually benefit. The <1.5% is real, its barred in the results but doesn't look as good as 95% (when 93.5% of the people wouldn't have had an issue with covid). If you have survived this long without getting covid, just continue doing what you are doing and don't risk the adverse events from the vaccine. Vitamins and ivermectin certainly have had effects unless you want to ignore the data in India and other countries where they gave it out and all the cases started dropping immediately. Why won't the hospitals try it? If the patient can't breath and is dying why is your hospital not trying everything to save them? Why are they following a protocol where they know they will die around 80% of the time? Vitamins and ivermectin won't kill you unless they give you a lethal dose like they did to skew some of the studies.

People are getting sick, there is a virus, but the rest of the discussion and how best to treat patients has been shutdown and government bureaucrats that do not treat patients have been allowed to create the protocols that don't work and/or cause harm to the patients. The people who are willing to try everything to save their patients are shut down and forbidden to actually practice medicine and try to keep their oath to do no harm and help their patients.

There you go again, putting out discredited assertions.

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/07/sciche...-pcr-test/

FTA: Jim McKinney, an FDA spokesman, told us in an email that to date, “the FDA has authorized more than 380 tests and sample collection kits to diagnose COVID-19, many of which are PCR tests. PCR tests are generally considered to be the ‘gold standard’ for COVID-19 diagnosis.”

“The FDA has not issued any statement questioning the reliability of PCR test results in general and will continue to consider authorization for validated PCR tests,” he added.

You're doing the same with the 40 Cycle nonsense, it's been discredited.

https://www.mcgill.ca/oss/article/covid-...-ct-values

FTA, the core point: "The pandemic saw a rise in armchair experts, people who had never stepped foot in a laboratory suddenly learning about PCR and thinking, as in true crime dramas, that they had cracked the case wide open." 

[font=McGillSerif-Regular, MinionPro-Medium, 'Minion Pro Medium', 'Minion Pro', Century, Georgia, serif][b]TL;DR Take-home message:[/b][/font]


- Some people claim, wrongly, that the PCR test for the coronavirus is useless because the so-called Ct values are too high and the test is picking up things that are not the coronavirus



- The PCR tests for the coronavirus that have been internally validated by public health agencies are actually very reliable


[font=McGillSerif-Regular, MinionPro-Medium, 'Minion Pro Medium', 'Minion Pro', Century, Georgia, serif]- Scientists cannot declare any result above a certain Ct value to be unreliable because Ct values are somewhat relative and must be interpreted by taking into account a variety of factors[/font]

So really, it's time for you to get a new shtick because your foundational premise is cracked.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

The Doctors are the least likely to get the jab




The percentage of each education group that is somewhat vaccine hesitant. Source: Carnegie Mellon University

Here's the link to the analysis of that chart. It seems that the hesitant groups are Trumpers basing their concerns on the politics and not the science. Who'da thunk? You also might consider that Medical Doctors (MDs, DOs) fall into the Professional Category, rarely the PhD.

https://www.cmu.edu/dietrich/news/news-s...tancy.html

 Of course the very last line is reason enough for you to outright reject the outcomes anyway:

"This research was supported by Facebook and a Centers for Disease Control and Prevention research grant." 

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

The Doctors are the least likely to get the jab




The percentage of each education group that is somewhat vaccine hesitant. Source: Carnegie Mellon University

My mom told me she talked to her orthopedic surgeon yesterday and he wasn't vaccinated or wearing a mask. There is some merit to this.

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The Doctors are the least likely to get the jab




The percentage of each education group that is somewhat vaccine hesitant. Source: Carnegie Mellon University

My mom told me she talked to her orthopedic surgeon yesterday and he wasn't vaccinated or wearing a mask. There is some merit to this.

I have a few clients that are doctors, they all seem to smoke cigars, cigarettes or hookas. Yet mine [BLEEP] at me for my tobacco use.  I don’t have a doctor client that doesn’t.  So, If nothing else, they’re human.  But that is telling with the lack of vaccinations with those with a PHD.

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My doctor isn't getting the jab, either.

FSG is correct, though, in that medical doctors are going to predominantly fall in the professional category. Scientists, however, fall into the PhD category, so there's that.

Not sure why the grant donor matters. Also think it's being a bit speculative to suggest Trump supporters are politicizing this, especially since their position has remained consistent.

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PRushing- sorry about the below if it comes across as a personal attack. It’s not meant to be, I am just very frustrated as someone ‘on the front lines’ who constantly deals with the fallout of the information your helping to spread right now. I can’t talk my own father into getting a COVID vaccine despite the fact he would likely die if he got a moderate case cause he believes much of the same things your putting out.  Please stop, because once people decide, especially people who think they aren’t high risk but are, that they aren’t getting vaccines and focusing on vitamins they end up with some of the worst outcomes. Not all of them, but it’s really really taxing a patient is saying you made up his COVID while he can’t even breath and starts heading down the toilet. Especially when you know they likely wouldn’t even be in the hospital and certainly not the ICU if they got the vaccine.

I am very familiar with COVID testing at my hospital. The only thing that these conspiracy theories get right is the cycle number being 40. We absolutely test for the variants, the standard swab at my hospital automatically includes Flu and RSV. COVID is able to be tested separately. Heck we even do a panel with 20 different viruses on it sometimes. You do not automatically test positive for COVID when you are admitted inpatient. My hospital would be screwed if this was true due to staffing and ppe.

This qanon BS is just ridiculous. People are making terrible decisions based on information that is no more informed than CNN. Just cause they root for your team doesn’t make them more reliable. If you want actual broken down information I suggest medcram COVID videos. They address most questions that are out there with actual EDM and studies, not conspiracy’s and misinformation. Vitamins are not gonna save you from COVID, and while you absolutely should try to hold off on intubation if possible, it often isn’t possible in severe cases. Delta has absolutely caused a huge spike in admissions in my hospital.

Anyway this is all I got for now. I leave the rest upto FSG.

I can appreciate this position, but don't you think your view can be tainted by the very fact that you are on the front line? All you see are the people who are seriously ill from Covid, but you're not seeing the many, many more that are handling this with no problem. There is a very low death rate for this disease. If we did not live at a time of 24 our news, people would not even know there was a pandemic, especially considering that this has disproportionately affected the very weak and sick. I know that sounds callous, but that should be taken into consideration when doing a global rollout for a vaccine. Optional? Sure. Strongly suggest for the people who are at risk, definitely. But mandates? 

Literally every single justification for taking it, outside of the immediate use of reducing severity for the individual, is rendered useless by the way covid is mutating. Don't get me wrong, reducing severity is VERY important, and it's probably the reason we are going to make it through the delta variant alright, but the vaccine is not going to end Covid. We're not going to achieve herd immunity with it. We aren't going to have permanent immunity from the vaccine. We aren't going to stop variants from popping up. We aren't going to stop spreading it to others. The only communal benefit to taking the vaccine is reducing burdens on hospitals, and that is only going to last as long as the shot stays effective, and the data is not looking good on that. We are most likely going to have to take regular boosters. This might have to be something seasonal that hospitals need to prepare for. Until this vaccine gets some time under it's belt, any mandates are reactionary, imo. 

I have no doubt about the efficacy of the Covid vaccine, but the simple fact is that this shouldn't be the primary concern as it pertains to a global rollout. There is a whirlwind of information that surrounds every topic, and, at time when people have instant access to whatever strikes there fancy, it's can be hard for people to stay on point in a debate. The concern for the vaccine and the conversation surrounding it should always take place IN THE FUTURE. The problem of the future is NEVER talked about. It can't be, because they have never done a study on it. 

The hubris of assuming that science got this right and there can be no possible fallout out dumbfounds me. Just in the last few years, there was a H1N1 vaccine recalled for causing narcolepsy. That took over a year to discover. There was a polio outbreak in the Sudan, Chad, and Camaroon caused by the very vaccine that was supposed to inoculate against it. There have been 5 examples of vaccine recalls due to unintended side affects in the last 20 years, but the Covid vaccine is infallible? The one that was funded by darpa and pushed through production at record-breaking speed. The one that didn't do adequate biodistribution studies? The one that has zone zero long-term studies over 10 months? This one? We're going to just shoot this into the arm of every human being alive and remove the control group that might help link any ties back to the vaccine? For a disease where 99.9% of people survive? How is that not nuts to you?

I can promise you, if this was the Spanish Flu, we'd all be lining up for a novel vaccine because the risk would be worth it. We wouldn't need the media to scare us. We wouldn't need mandates. We would all have watched a love one die and seen, firsthand, the fallout of people losing this battle. This is just not common for the average person with regards to Covid. We should be prudent in how we roll out this vaccine. Period. Only give it to the At risk and volunteers. There are plenty of them. For everyone else, this should fall on the hospitals, just like it does for every other virus. We are more than capable of figuring out how to mitigate the affects of seasonal covid. But throwing out a global rollout this early into the process is it's own form or recklessness. 

Personally, I believe if it weren't for the affect of the media, the medical community would not be making this decision. This is why we end up with well-meaning people like p_rush, who start looking to alternate sources for truth. Clean up the institutions. I have never seen such group think in my entire life, because people are scared into making decision based in the present only. Take a step back. Stop having the debate in the present, and let's use our evolved brain to make healthy, long-term decisions. You guys better be right about this vaccine.

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And, just to be clear, I have watched every single Medcram video he's posted on coronavirus. I started watching shortly after his first video on the subject. I agree that he is one of the best voices on YouTube wrt Covid, and he's been my go-to for most of my Covid information. That doesn't change anything I wrote.

My doctor isn't getting the jab, either.

FSG is correct, though, in that medical doctors are going to predominantly fall in the professional category. Scientists, however, fall into the PhD category, so there's that.

Not sure why the grant donor matters. Also think it's being a bit speculative to suggest Trump supporters are politicizing this, especially since their position has remained consistent.

Twas a bit of humour friend.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

My bad. Hard to tell sometimes on the good 'ole internet. What's up with quoting my other post, though?

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My bad. Hard to tell sometimes on the good 'ole internet. What's up with quoting my other post, though?

I dunno, I push the button it does what it does.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

My mom told me she talked to her orthopedic surgeon yesterday and he wasn't vaccinated or wearing a mask. There is some merit to this.

I have a few clients that are doctors, they all seem to smoke cigars, cigarettes or hookas. Yet mine [BLEEP] at me for my tobacco use.  I don’t have a doctor client that doesn’t.  So, If nothing else, they’re human.  But that is telling with the lack of vaccinations with those with a PHD.

That's the ole 'do as I say, not as I do'.. I have multiple RN's in my family, including my wife, who's adopted this method over the years lol

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The Doctors are the least likely to get the jab




The percentage of each education group that is somewhat vaccine hesitant. Source: Carnegie Mellon University

Physicians i.e. medical doctors are actually one the groups with the highest vaccinations. AMA survey from June showed 96% of physicians were fully vaccinated. https://www.ama-assn.org/press-center/pr...t-covid-19

Now I am sure some womens studies and philosophy phD's are refusing the vaccines, but imo they shouldn't be called doctors in the first place, just like Jill Biden.

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Yes, it's improvement, but it's Blaine Gabbert 2012 level improvement. - Pirkster

http://youtu.be/ouGM3NWpjxk The Home Hypnotist!

http://youtu.be/XQRFkn0Ly3A Media on the Brain Link!
 

Peyton must store oxygen in that forehead of his. No way I'd still be alive after all that choking.

 

PRushing- sorry about the below if it comes across as a personal attack. It’s not meant to be, I am just very frustrated as someone ‘on the front lines’ who constantly deals with the fallout of the information your helping to spread right now. I can’t talk my own father into getting a COVID vaccine despite the fact he would likely die if he got a moderate case cause he believes much of the same things your putting out.  Please stop, because once people decide, especially people who think they aren’t high risk but are, that they aren’t getting vaccines and focusing on vitamins they end up with some of the worst outcomes. Not all of them, but it’s really really taxing a patient is saying you made up his COVID while he can’t even breath and starts heading down the toilet. Especially when you know they likely wouldn’t even be in the hospital and certainly not the ICU if they got the vaccine.

I am very familiar with COVID testing at my hospital. The only thing that these conspiracy theories get right is the cycle number being 40. We absolutely test for the variants, the standard swab at my hospital automatically includes Flu and RSV. COVID is able to be tested separately. Heck we even do a panel with 20 different viruses on it sometimes. You do not automatically test positive for COVID when you are admitted inpatient. My hospital would be screwed if this was true due to staffing and ppe.

This qanon BS is just ridiculous. People are making terrible decisions based on information that is no more informed than CNN. Just cause they root for your team doesn’t make them more reliable. If you want actual broken down information I suggest medcram COVID videos. They address most questions that are out there with actual EDM and studies, not conspiracy’s and misinformation. Vitamins are not gonna save you from COVID, and while you absolutely should try to hold off on intubation if possible, it often isn’t possible in severe cases. Delta has absolutely caused a huge spike in admissions in my hospital.

Anyway this is all I got for now. I leave the rest upto FSG.

PCR tests by themselves cannot determine flu or covid. It is a fact, the CDC is recalling them and they admitted it's because they can't determine which one it is. They also don't have covid isolated to setup the PCR test to begin with, they used ....... other corona viruses, i.e. the flu. Since the PCR test at 40 cycles has a 97% false positive rate, because it picks up any corona virus and doesn't care how much there is, everyone will test positive if you continue testing them everyday if they have an illness as the test can't tell the difference and 97% failure rate is high odds to get a positive.

You do not test for variants. I'm sorry you think you do but you are not testing for the variants at your hospital. There is no test for the variant other than sending off to labs to do analysis on the DNA and that testing takes weeks. Even the CDC only takes a handful, can't remember the # but I think it is less than 1,000, every week and tests them. Then they create a % for the "variants". Variants also are not isolated, so how do you test for a variant? You cut a snippet of the sequence and compare it, well how many other corona viruses match that sequence? What happens if you switch that snippet off by 1? You have a brand new variant.

Why does everyone need the vaccine? If covid was going to kill you, then I definitely wouldn't risk taking a vaccine that may give you a .5-1.5% that actually benefit. The <1.5% is real, its barred in the results but doesn't look as good as 95% (when 93.5% of the people wouldn't have had an issue with covid). If you have survived this long without getting covid, just continue doing what you are doing and don't risk the adverse events from the vaccine. Vitamins and ivermectin certainly have had effects unless you want to ignore the data in India and other countries where they gave it out and all the cases started dropping immediately. Why won't the hospitals try it? If the patient can't breath and is dying why is your hospital not trying everything to save them? Why are they following a protocol where they know they will die around 80% of the time? Vitamins and ivermectin won't kill you unless they give you a lethal dose like they did to skew some of the studies.

People are getting sick, there is a virus, but the rest of the discussion and how best to treat patients has been shutdown and government bureaucrats that do not treat patients have been allowed to create the protocols that don't work and/or cause harm to the patients. The people who are willing to try everything to save their patients are shut down and forbidden to actually practice medicine and try to keep their oath to do no harm and help their patients.

I had a relative go to CVS 6 times  to take a covid test. The PCR came back negative all 6 times. On the 7th test she was clearly exhibiting symptoms and the test came bacl negative. She literally on the same day went to the department of health to get tested and it came back positive. Im really questioning the accuracy of these tests.

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PCR tests by themselves cannot determine flu or covid. It is a fact, the CDC is recalling them and they admitted it's because they can't determine which one it is. They also don't have covid isolated to setup the PCR test to begin with, they used ....... other corona viruses, i.e. the flu. Since the PCR test at 40 cycles has a 97% false positive rate, because it picks up any corona virus and doesn't care how much there is, everyone will test positive if you continue testing them everyday if they have an illness as the test can't tell the difference and 97% failure rate is high odds to get a positive.

You do not test for variants. I'm sorry you think you do but you are not testing for the variants at your hospital. There is no test for the variant other than sending off to labs to do analysis on the DNA and that testing takes weeks. Even the CDC only takes a handful, can't remember the # but I think it is less than 1,000, every week and tests them. Then they create a % for the "variants". Variants also are not isolated, so how do you test for a variant? You cut a snippet of the sequence and compare it, well how many other corona viruses match that sequence? What happens if you switch that snippet off by 1? You have a brand new variant.

Why does everyone need the vaccine? If covid was going to kill you, then I definitely wouldn't risk taking a vaccine that may give you a .5-1.5% that actually benefit. The <1.5% is real, its barred in the results but doesn't look as good as 95% (when 93.5% of the people wouldn't have had an issue with covid). If you have survived this long without getting covid, just continue doing what you are doing and don't risk the adverse events from the vaccine. Vitamins and ivermectin certainly have had effects unless you want to ignore the data in India and other countries where they gave it out and all the cases started dropping immediately. Why won't the hospitals try it? If the patient can't breath and is dying why is your hospital not trying everything to save them? Why are they following a protocol where they know they will die around 80% of the time? Vitamins and ivermectin won't kill you unless they give you a lethal dose like they did to skew some of the studies.

People are getting sick, there is a virus, but the rest of the discussion and how best to treat patients has been shutdown and government bureaucrats that do not treat patients have been allowed to create the protocols that don't work and/or cause harm to the patients. The people who are willing to try everything to save their patients are shut down and forbidden to actually practice medicine and try to keep their oath to do no harm and help their patients.

I had a relative go to CVS 6 times  to take a covid test. The PCR came back negative all 6 times. On the 7th test she was clearly exhibiting symptoms and the test came back negative. She literally on the same day went to the department of health to get tested and it came back positive. Im really questioning the accuracy of these tests.

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PCR tests by themselves cannot determine flu or covid. It is a fact, the CDC is recalling them and they admitted it's because they can't determine which one it is. They also don't have covid isolated to setup the PCR test to begin with, they used ....... other corona viruses, i.e. the flu. Since the PCR test at 40 cycles has a 97% false positive rate, because it picks up any corona virus and doesn't care how much there is, everyone will test positive if you continue testing them everyday if they have an illness as the test can't tell the difference and 97% failure rate is high odds to get a positive.

You do not test for variants. I'm sorry you think you do but you are not testing for the variants at your hospital. There is no test for the variant other than sending off to labs to do analysis on the DNA and that testing takes weeks. Even the CDC only takes a handful, can't remember the # but I think it is less than 1,000, every week and tests them. Then they create a % for the "variants". Variants also are not isolated, so how do you test for a variant? You cut a snippet of the sequence and compare it, well how many other corona viruses match that sequence? What happens if you switch that snippet off by 1? You have a brand new variant.

Why does everyone need the vaccine? If covid was going to kill you, then I definitely wouldn't risk taking a vaccine that may give you a .5-1.5% that actually benefit. The <1.5% is real, its barred in the results but doesn't look as good as 95% (when 93.5% of the people wouldn't have had an issue with covid). If you have survived this long without getting covid, just continue doing what you are doing and don't risk the adverse events from the vaccine. Vitamins and ivermectin certainly have had effects unless you want to ignore the data in India and other countries where they gave it out and all the cases started dropping immediately. Why won't the hospitals try it? If the patient can't breath and is dying why is your hospital not trying everything to save them? Why are they following a protocol where they know they will die around 80% of the time? Vitamins and ivermectin won't kill you unless they give you a lethal dose like they did to skew some of the studies.

People are getting sick, there is a virus, but the rest of the discussion and how best to treat patients has been shutdown and government bureaucrats that do not treat patients have been allowed to create the protocols that don't work and/or cause harm to the patients. The people who are willing to try everything to save their patients are shut down and forbidden to actually practice medicine and try to keep their oath to do no harm and help their patients.

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I had a relative go to CVS 6 times  to take a covid test. The PCR came back negative all 6 times. On the 7th test she was clearly exhibiting symptoms and the test came back negative. She literally on the same day went to the department of health to get tested and it came back positive. Im really questioning the accuracy of these tests.

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Whether someone has a liberal, or conservative viewpoint, a authoritative figure should not lock a thread for the sole purpose to get the last word in all the while prohibiting someone else from being able to respond.

Looks like boosters are on the way. They'll start with who they should have started with, then move on to the rest of you guys. I love an experiment with no control group... especially one that makes people a crap ton of money.

“New data shows antibodies against Delta wane after 6-8m and breakthrough against Delta is rising,” Yee wrote. “We expect FDA to move to booster approvals.”

https://www.barrons.com/articles/booster...1628687318

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Hopefully, this booster stays limited to the elderly, but we'll see. The vaccine is showing some signs of age dependent immune response. That needs to be watched carefully. This paper suggests the elderly will not actually maintain a sufficient level of antibodies, and will require boosters. That's not how the immune system should work. It also shows this is not the case with younger people, but for how long? How does this compare to people with a natural immune response in both the elderly and the young? Questions we should be answering.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33906236/

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Here's another doozy of a study. TLDR: Breakthrough Delta variant infections are associated with high viral loads, prolonged PCR positivity, and low levels of vaccine-induced neutralizing antibodies, explaining the transmission between the vaccinated people. Physical distancing measures remain critical to reduce SARS-CoV-2 Delta variant transmission.

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?...zqITvHgj20

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