After that first game I’m wondering why Minshew is even in the picture.

I don't get the Minshew angst.  While I agree Lawrence should be getting all of the 1st team reps, I would still rather have Minshew as the back up over Beathard.  And I'm certainly not going to over-react to the 1st pre-season game of the season.  I'd rather look at the regular season performance of both Minshew and Beathard since they've been in the league - I think that gives us a better idea of what to expect from both of them:

                Completion %      TD      Int      Rating      W/L
Minshew        62.9%            37       11        93.1       7-13
Beathard        58.6%            18       13        81.1       2-10

Both played for equally bad teams, other than last year when the Jags were the worst team in the league, and while Minshew was only 1-7 as a starter last year, his rating went up from 91.2 to 95.9 - and his QBR went up from 44.6 to 51.7 - the average QBR for his all of his starts is 47.4 while Beathard's is 40.9.  Neither of them is going to lead us to the Super Bowl, but I think Minshew has shown more when it actually counts, in the regular season.

Minshew is regressing. You can see it.

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Pre-season depth charts are for the nosy talking heads. Gives them something to discuss and distracts them....

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Pre-season depth charts are for the nosy talking heads. Gives them something to discuss and distracts them....

Nope, it’s real. A professional wrestler told me so.

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I don't get the Minshew angst.  While I agree Lawrence should be getting all of the 1st team reps, I would still rather have Minshew as the back up over Beathard.  And I'm certainly not going to over-react to the 1st pre-season game of the season.  I'd rather look at the regular season performance of both Minshew and Beathard since they've been in the league - I think that gives us a better idea of what to expect from both of them:

                Completion %      TD      Int      Rating      W/L
Minshew        62.9%            37       11        93.1       7-13
Beathard        58.6%            18       13        81.1       2-10

Both played for equally bad teams, other than last year when the Jags were the worst team in the league, and while Minshew was only 1-7 as a starter last year, his rating went up from 91.2 to 95.9 - and his QBR went up from 44.6 to 51.7 - the average QBR for his all of his starts is 47.4 while Beathard's is 40.9.  Neither of them is going to lead us to the Super Bowl, but I think Minshew has shown more when it actually counts, in the regular season.

The difference is that Minshew was the designated starter. Beathard was the backup of the backup that had to play when Garoppolo and Nick Mullens were injured. If you follow the Niners you'd know that they drafted Trey Lance because they know their team imploded when Mullens had to play. They simply can't have a starter made of glass when the team is in an open super bowl window. At the very least they need a good backup and that was neither Mullens nor Beathard. 

Beathard was even worse than Mullens.

I'm not sure it matters why Beathard played, or if he started as the back up to the back up - he started 5 consecutive games in 2017 and 5 consecutive games in 2018, and also started the last 2 games of the season last year, so he's had periods where he was in effect the "starter" and he knew he was playing, the team and coaches knew he was playing and the game plan was based on that - those results are not good.  Minshew certainly didn't begin his rookie year as the starter, the offense was designed around Foles, and Minshew had to step in as the back up.  Even last year there was so much uncertainty around the QB position and who was getting the start going forward each week.  Bottom line, Minshew has shown more than Beathard as a starter in regular season games when it counts

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Interesting to note that they seem to value Cisco's aggressiveness in the box over his speed on the back end.
I had speculated they'd coach up his coverage skills and make him a FS based on his closing speed, but it looks like they trust Jenkins back there and want to let Cisco play underneath more. I whiffed on that one.

Granted, Cullen moves those guys around so much from package to package it almost doesn't matter where they are listed. Looking forward to what Cisco brings in the DB blitz game, TE coverage, as well as run support. I think he ends up getting significant snaps from day one.
I expect Daniel Thomas to immediately overtake Wingard as #2 FS now that he's healthy.

WR (to my eye) are looking like Chark, Jones, Shenault, Treadwell, Agnew then a battle between [Dorsett/Johnson/Austin/Camp/Cooper]

Hard to imagine the CB room doesn't end up being CJ, Griffin, Campbell, Jones, Herndon, maybe Claybrooks as back-up KR/PR if Cooper doesn't stick

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I don't get the Minshew angst.  While I agree Lawrence should be getting all of the 1st team reps, I would still rather have Minshew as the back up over Beathard.  And I'm certainly not going to over-react to the 1st pre-season game of the season.  I'd rather look at the regular season performance of both Minshew and Beathard since they've been in the league - I think that gives us a better idea of what to expect from both of them:

                Completion %      TD      Int      Rating      W/L
Minshew        62.9%            37       11        93.1       7-13
Beathard        58.6%            18       13        81.1       2-10

Both played for equally bad teams, other than last year when the Jags were the worst team in the league, and while Minshew was only 1-7 as a starter last year, his rating went up from 91.2 to 95.9 - and his QBR went up from 44.6 to 51.7 - the average QBR for his all of his starts is 47.4 while Beathard's is 40.9.  Neither of them is going to lead us to the Super Bowl, but I think Minshew has shown more when it actually counts, in the regular season.

Minshew is regressing. You can see it.

Maybe You can see it, but after one meaningless preseason game - I don't see it.  Everyone talks about how teams started game planning for Minshew in his second year, to take away the things he can do, and while I did see some of that last year - his QB Rating AND his QBR both increased from year 1 to year 2.  How about maybe the Jags were just historically bad last year as a team at basically every position (other than maybe RB)?  And yes Minshew was certainly a part of that - but we're not talking about him starting and whether he can lead us to the Super Bowl - we're talking about the back up....and Minshew has shown significantly more when the lights are on and the games actually count than Beathard. Just my .02 cents   

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After that first game I’m wondering why Minshew is even in the picture.

I don't get the Minshew angst.  While I agree Lawrence should be getting all of the 1st team reps, I would still rather have Minshew as the back up over Beathard.  And I'm certainly not going to over-react to the 1st pre-season game of the season.  I'd rather look at the regular season performance of both Minshew and Beathard since they've been in the league - I think that gives us a better idea of what to expect from both of them:

                Completion %      TD      Int      Rating      W/L
Minshew        62.9%            37       11        93.1       7-13
Beathard        58.6%            18       13        81.1       2-10

Both played for equally bad teams, other than last year when the Jags were the worst team in the league, and while Minshew was only 1-7 as a starter last year, his rating went up from 91.2 to 95.9 - and his QBR went up from 44.6 to 51.7 - the average QBR for his all of his starts is 47.4 while Beathard's is 40.9.  Neither of them is going to lead us to the Super Bowl, but I think Minshew has shown more when it actually counts, in the regular season.

That's crazy! Stats don't tell the entire story here. I've seen a noticeable regression in Minshew, since he was first drafted. That pains me to say. I really like the guy. He's fun to root for. He has a kind of "redneck" quality to him that I really like. He seems like a fun guy to be around. The problem is that despite the endearing personality, he seems less decisive and than he was when he was first drafted, he holds the ball longer than he used to and he hasn't improved the arm strength at all. Say what you like, but the facts are that Beathard is a much better decision maker at this point in both of their careers, he has a stronger arm and the ball gets out of his hands much quicker. There just isn't any argument here. Neither of these guys should be NFL starters, but at this point, I'd trust Beathard to lead this team in an emergency situation, way more than I would trust Minshew. I wish it was the other way around though. Hopefully, neither of these guys ever see the field for us though, in any regular season games. Minshew is the future.

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I don't get the Minshew angst.  While I agree Lawrence should be getting all of the 1st team reps, I would still rather have Minshew as the back up over Beathard.  And I'm certainly not going to over-react to the 1st pre-season game of the season.  I'd rather look at the regular season performance of both Minshew and Beathard since they've been in the league - I think that gives us a better idea of what to expect from both of them:

                Completion %      TD      Int      Rating      W/L
Minshew        62.9%            37       11        93.1       7-13
Beathard        58.6%            18       13        81.1       2-10

Both played for equally bad teams, other than last year when the Jags were the worst team in the league, and while Minshew was only 1-7 as a starter last year, his rating went up from 91.2 to 95.9 - and his QBR went up from 44.6 to 51.7 - the average QBR for his all of his starts is 47.4 while Beathard's is 40.9.  Neither of them is going to lead us to the Super Bowl, but I think Minshew has shown more when it actually counts, in the regular season.

The difference is that Minshew was the designated starter. Beathard was the backup of the backup that had to play when Garoppolo and Nick Mullens were injured. If you follow the Niners you'd know that they drafted Trey Lance because they know their team imploded when Mullens had to play. They simply can't have a starter made of glass when the team is in an open super bowl window. At the very least they need a good backup and that was neither Mullens nor Beathard. 

Beathard was even worse than Mullens.

That doesn't make him automatically worse than Minshew though.

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Hey I like it, let Tlaw play with the opposing teams 2s. That’s what they did for Fields.

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Beathard was even worse than Mullens.

That doesn't make him automatically better than Minshew though.
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I would prefer Beathard if there is a tie as EVERY team we play know to clog the middle and send the DE deep, CB's guard the sidelines. Minshew will then run around in the pocket and into a sack or throw an out.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

That “OR” next to James Robinson with Carlos Hyde has me really wondering if they are going to try and trade him like they did with Joe Scho. Scho had the OR* next to his name and many didn’t even notice it. We did after all pick a RB 1st round. A RB hungry team maybe like the Rams or Jets make sense. Henderson/Carter would benefit from a guy like Robinson.

Just really odd to see the OR* on a top 100 NFL player vs ... Carlos freakin Hyde.

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I don't get the Minshew angst.  While I agree Lawrence should be getting all of the 1st team reps, I would still rather have Minshew as the back up over Beathard.  And I'm certainly not going to over-react to the 1st pre-season game of the season.  I'd rather look at the regular season performance of both Minshew and Beathard since they've been in the league - I think that gives us a better idea of what to expect from both of them:

                Completion %      TD      Int      Rating      W/L
Minshew        62.9%            37       11        93.1       7-13
Beathard        58.6%            18       13        81.1       2-10

Both played for equally bad teams, other than last year when the Jags were the worst team in the league, and while Minshew was only 1-7 as a starter last year, his rating went up from 91.2 to 95.9 - and his QBR went up from 44.6 to 51.7 - the average QBR for his all of his starts is 47.4 while Beathard's is 40.9.  Neither of them is going to lead us to the Super Bowl, but I think Minshew has shown more when it actually counts, in the regular season.

That's crazy! Stats don't tell the entire story here. I've seen a noticeable regression in Minshew, since he was first drafted. That pains me to say. I really like the guy. He's fun to root for. He has a kind of "redneck" quality to him that I really like. He seems like a fun guy to be around. The problem is that despite the endearing personality, he seems less decisive and than he was when he was first drafted, he holds the ball longer than he used to and he hasn't improved the arm strength at all. Say what you like, but the facts are that Beathard is a much better decision maker at this point in both of their careers, he has a stronger arm and the ball gets out of his hands much quicker. There just isn't any argument here. Neither of these guys should be NFL starters, but at this point, I'd trust Beathard to lead this team in an emergency situation, way more than I would trust Minshew. I wish it was the other way around though. Hopefully, neither of these guys ever see the field for us though, in any regular season games. Minshew is the future.

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I'm curious exactly what "facts" show that Beathard is a "much better" decision maker than Minshew?  Is it the "fact" that he has more INTs in fewer games? Is it the "fact" that he has a lower % of TD passes?  Or maybe it's the "fact" that his W/L percentage is literally half of what Minshew's is?  Just because you think you see a noticeable regression in Minshew since he was drafted, doesn't make it a "fact" - it's an opinion. It's your opinion. And you may end up being right and I may end up being wrong, but the actual facts support Minshew. If having a stronger arm and getting the ball out quick were the only evaluation points then Jeff George would have been a superstar.  I know stats don't always tell the entire story, but in this case that's what we have to go on - stats like wins and losses, completing passes, throwing for TDs without throwing Ints are all kind of important for a QB, in fact I'd go so far as to say wins/losses is kind of why they play the game.  There are no style points for having a strong arm or quick release - especially if those things don't help the team win games,....again, just my .02 cents

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That “OR” next to James Robinson with Carlos Hyde has me really wondering if they are going to try and trade him like they did with Joe Scho. Scho had the OR* next to his name and many didn’t even notice it. We did after all pick a RB 1st round. A RB hungry team maybe like the Rams or Jets make sense. Henderson/Carter would benefit from a guy like Robinson.

Just really odd to see the OR* on a top 100 NFL player vs ... Carlos freakin Hyde.

I don't even understand why Hyde is with the team.

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That “OR” next to James Robinson with Carlos Hyde has me really wondering if they are going to try and trade him like they did with Joe Scho. Scho had the OR* next to his name and many didn’t even notice it. We did after all pick a RB 1st round. A RB hungry team maybe like the Rams or Jets make sense. Henderson/Carter would benefit from a guy like Robinson.

Just really odd to see the OR* on a top 100 NFL player vs ... Carlos freakin Hyde.

I don't even understand why Hyde is with the team.

....cause Urban recruited and coached him at OSU.

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Trevor in Practice + Preseason

71 % Completion, 35 TDs 7 INTs

Minshew Practice + Preseason

72% Completion, 20 TDs 2 INTs

That's according to an article... it sounds... a little off. But still. It shows it's not so cut and dry for the coaches watching them actually play.

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Trevor in Practice + Preseason

71 % Completion, 35 TDs 7 INTs

Minshew Practice + Preseason

72% Completion, 20 TDs 2 INTs

That's according to an article... it sounds... a little off. But still. It shows it's not so cut and dry for the coaches watching them actually play.

I'll take the extra 5 ints if it comes with an extra 15 TDs.

You don't take a dude #1 overall and sit him in favor of a Gardner Minshew type player.

They're just "making him earn it" or whatever coach speak BS

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That “OR” next to James Robinson with Carlos Hyde has me really wondering if they are going to try and trade him like they did with Joe Scho. Scho had the OR* next to his name and many didn’t even notice it. We did after all pick a RB 1st round. A RB hungry team maybe like the Rams or Jets make sense. Henderson/Carter would benefit from a guy like Robinson.

Just really odd to see the OR* on a top 100 NFL player vs ... Carlos freakin Hyde.

Good God if they trade James Robinson......... I might lead the pitchfork gang.

Unless you mean Hyde.... Who has no real trade value

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That “OR” next to James Robinson with Carlos Hyde has me really wondering if they are going to try and trade him like they did with Joe Scho. Scho had the OR* next to his name and many didn’t even notice it. We did after all pick a RB 1st round. A RB hungry team maybe like the Rams or Jets make sense. Henderson/Carter would benefit from a guy like Robinson.

Just really odd to see the OR* on a top 100 NFL player vs ... Carlos freakin Hyde.

Good God if they trade James Robinson......... I might lead the pitchfork gang.

Unless you mean Hyde.... Who has no real trade value

No I mean JROB unfortunately. Just saying if the regime change doesn't see JROB the same... maybe? Just so odd to me to see the OR* there, and I only bring it up because Joe Schobert had the same thing and I was wondering what was up with it. Urban wants a fast pace/tempo so... IDK... just wouldn't surprise me at this point.

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LOL

IF these clowns move JR I’m tuning out till cooler heads prevail

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Lawrence should be getting every single first team rep. He has significantly outplayed Minshew.

Beathard has outplayed Minshew.

He also outplayed Lawrence XD

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That “OR” next to James Robinson with Carlos Hyde has me really wondering if they are going to try and trade him like they did with Joe Scho. Scho had the OR* next to his name and many didn’t even notice it. We did after all pick a RB 1st round. A RB hungry team maybe like the Rams or Jets make sense. Henderson/Carter would benefit from a guy like Robinson.

Just really odd to see the OR* on a top 100 NFL player vs ... Carlos freakin Hyde.

I'd be upset if we traded JRob, truthfully. But if ETN is as good as advertised and they could steal a high draft pick I wouldn't be overly upset. But tbh, anything other than a 1st for Jrob would feel like a waste..

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If they trade James Robinson.........

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I don't even understand why Hyde is with the team.

....cause Urban recruited and coached him at OSU.

He didn't do much with us the first time. His best seasons seem to be 2016 and 2019. Here's hoping he's ready for a productive season.

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