Yup. I think every right winger on here needs to concede that there was a group of right wing insurrectionists present that day in the Capitol. I don't think it's what the media made it out to be, but there were definitely some people there with bad intentions. There were also some antifa folks there. They clearly didn't make up the majority, but they did partake in this event, including some of the destruction. There were also some FBI agents who were undercover. We know they infiltrated what they believed were right ring terror threats. I'm not sure what role they played in the breach, but, if the Governor Whitmer incident is any indicator, it's probably more than they should  have.

If the right-wingers here can concede there were some right wing insurrectionists, can the rest of you acknowledge that antifa played a role in fomenting dissent? And, at the very least, acknowledge that the FBI was undercover and present that day?

I only care about this because it shows that there were a lot of moving parts. You take a mob with an angry sentiment, then include violent bad actors and agents encouraging people to do something illegal, and you have the perfect conditions for an insurrection.

Anything is possible, but I don't see any proof of it. I just saw a bunch of crazed, right wing, Trump supporters who actually believed they could change things by creating a riot at the capital building. I know crazed "Trumpers," because I am surrounded by them here in Ohio. They still fly their Trump flags, display their Trump signs and are ready to throw down and physically fight people if you say anything negative about the man. Literally. I was at the grocery store about a month ago and two grown men were screaming at one another, because one insisted that Trump is still president. I left before I could see if it came to blows. It was no surprise to me to see what happened at the Capital that day, because where I live, it's full of rabid Trump supporters that act like that. Maybe some people live in areas where they don't see the "radicals," but I do. Could there have been Antifa people there to stir up things? Maybe. Could there have been undercover government agents there in the crowd? Anything is possible, but I find this very far-fetched. I'm surrounded by Trump supporters who don't need "stirring up" by any outside forces. They already run very hot and it only takes one wrong word to push them over the edge.

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Yup. I think every right winger on here needs to concede that there was a group of right wing insurrectionists present that day in the Capitol. I don't think it's what the media made it out to be, but there were definitely some people there with bad intentions. There were also some antifa folks there. They clearly didn't make up the majority, but they did partake in this event, including some of the destruction. There were also some FBI agents who were undercover. We know they infiltrated what they believed were right ring terror threats. I'm not sure what role they played in the breach, but, if the Governor Whitmer incident is any indicator, it's probably more than they should  have.

If the right-wingers here can concede there were some right wing insurrectionists, can the rest of you acknowledge that antifa played a role in fomenting dissent? And, at the very least, acknowledge that the FBI was undercover and present that day?

I only care about this because it shows that there were a lot of moving parts. You take a mob with an angry sentiment, then include violent bad actors and agents encouraging people to do something illegal, and you have the perfect conditions for an insurrection.

Anything is possible, but I don't see any proof of it. I just saw a bunch of crazed, right wing, Trump supporters who actually believed they could change things by creating a riot at the capital building. I know crazed "Trumpers," because I am surrounded by them here in Ohio. They still fly their Trump flags, display their Trump signs and are ready to throw down and physically fight people if you say anything negative about the man. Literally. I was at the grocery store about a month ago and two grown men were screaming at one another, because one insisted that Trump is still president. I left before I could see if it came to blows. It was no surprise to me to see what happened at the Capital that day, because where I live, it's full of rabid Trump supporters that act like that. Maybe some people live in areas where they don't see the "radicals," but I do. Could there have been Antifa people there to stir up things? Maybe. Could there have been undercover government agents there in the crowd? Anything is possible, but I find this very far-fetched. I'm surrounded by Trump supporters who don't need "stirring up" by any outside forces. They already run very hot and it only takes one wrong word to push them over the edge.

It's not that bad here in Orange and Lake counties FL but it's close.
And it's that bad on this forum.  Posters like Ronster and Jags routinely mention violence if you say something they don't like.  You don't see me and hurricane and NYC acting that way.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Anything is possible, but I don't see any proof of it. I just saw a bunch of crazed, right wing, Trump supporters who actually believed they could change things by creating a riot at the capital building. I know crazed "Trumpers," because I am surrounded by them here in Ohio. They still fly their Trump flags, display their Trump signs and are ready to throw down and physically fight people if you say anything negative about the man. Literally. I was at the grocery store about a month ago and two grown men were screaming at one another, because one insisted that Trump is still president. I left before I could see if it came to blows. It was no surprise to me to see what happened at the Capital that day, because where I live, it's full of rabid Trump supporters that act like that. Maybe some people live in areas where they don't see the "radicals," but I do. Could there have been Antifa people there to stir up things? Maybe. Could there have been undercover government agents there in the crowd? Anything is possible, but I find this very far-fetched. I'm surrounded by Trump supporters who don't need "stirring up" by any outside forces. They already run very hot and it only takes one wrong word to push them over the edge.

It's not that bad here in Orange and Lake counties FL but it's close.
And it's that bad on this forum.  Posters like Ronster and Jags routinely mention violence if you say something they don't like.  You don't see me and hurricane and NYC acting that way.

No, you guys just seem to vote for the downfall of this country.

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Definitely falls under the play stupid games win stupid prizes category

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Your thoughts become your words,
Your words become your actions,
Your actions become your habits,
Your habits become your values,
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Yup. I think every right winger on here needs to concede that there was a group of right wing insurrectionists present that day in the Capitol. I don't think it's what the media made it out to be, but there were definitely some people there with bad intentions. There were also some antifa folks there. They clearly didn't make up the majority, but they did partake in this event, including some of the destruction. There were also some FBI agents who were undercover. We know they infiltrated what they believed were right ring terror threats. I'm not sure what role they played in the breach, but, if the Governor Whitmer incident is any indicator, it's probably more than they should  have.

If the right-wingers here can concede there were some right wing insurrectionists, can the rest of you acknowledge that antifa played a role in fomenting dissent? And, at the very least, acknowledge that the FBI was undercover and present that day?

I only care about this because it shows that there were a lot of moving parts. You take a mob with an angry sentiment, then include violent bad actors and agents encouraging people to do something illegal, and you have the perfect conditions for an insurrection.

Anything is possible, but I don't see any proof of it. I just saw a bunch of crazed, right wing, Trump supporters who actually believed they could change things by creating a riot at the capital building. I know crazed "Trumpers," because I am surrounded by them here in Ohio. They still fly their Trump flags, display their Trump signs and are ready to throw down and physically fight people if you say anything negative about the man. Literally. I was at the grocery store about a month ago and two grown men were screaming at one another, because one insisted that Trump is still president. I left before I could see if it came to blows. It was no surprise to me to see what happened at the Capital that day, because where I live, it's full of rabid Trump supporters that act like that. Maybe some people live in areas where they don't see the "radicals," but I do. Could there have been Antifa people there to stir up things? Maybe. Could there have been undercover government agents there in the crowd? Anything is possible, but I find this very far-fetched. I'm surrounded by Trump supporters who don't need "stirring up" by any outside forces. They already run very hot and it only takes one wrong word to push them over the edge.

There's plenty of proof. Two known antifa members were in the Capitol building streaming about how they "did it." They were arrested. Two FBI agents have already testified that had infiltrated various movements. They had to be there that day to testify. All I am saying is, there is a sentiment of the right that has been riled up by double standards in this country, and it's not going to take much to push them over the edge. I don't deny the thousands of Trump supporters that were there that day and angry, but you mistakenly attribute their presence to Trump. Trump is just saying what they already think. Most people there that day advocated for peace. They are angry, but they love their country. I saw a few do really dumb things, though. And those dudes need to be punished. It can't be one sided though. The left has to start owning their turds and applying an even standard to the right and the left.

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Once again... if actual insurrectionists were there... they'd have killed that cowardly cop instantly. Just put 10 AK-47 rounds right in his face. Not one person fired a shot. Not an insurrection.

Actually, more than likely, when confronted with firearms that cop would have pissed and [BLEEP] himself then run away screaming for help.

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Once again... if actual insurrectionists were there... they'd have killed that cowardly cop instantly. Just put 10 AK-47 rounds right in his face. Not one person fired a shot. Not an insurrection.

Actually, more than likely, when confronted with firearms that cop would have pissed and [BLEEP] himself then run away screaming for help.

Just because the people didn't have any automatic weapons there doesn't mean they weren't insurrectionists.
The English Army in 1642 had longbows, crossbows, cannons, muskets, battering rams, and many other weapons, but Charles I kicked off the English Revolution that year with just swords and pistols.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Anything is possible, but I don't see any proof of it. I just saw a bunch of crazed, right wing, Trump supporters who actually believed they could change things by creating a riot at the capital building. I know crazed "Trumpers," because I am surrounded by them here in Ohio. They still fly their Trump flags, display their Trump signs and are ready to throw down and physically fight people if you say anything negative about the man. Literally. I was at the grocery store about a month ago and two grown men were screaming at one another, because one insisted that Trump is still president. I left before I could see if it came to blows. It was no surprise to me to see what happened at the Capital that day, because where I live, it's full of rabid Trump supporters that act like that. Maybe some people live in areas where they don't see the "radicals," but I do. Could there have been Antifa people there to stir up things? Maybe. Could there have been undercover government agents there in the crowd? Anything is possible, but I find this very far-fetched. I'm surrounded by Trump supporters who don't need "stirring up" by any outside forces. They already run very hot and it only takes one wrong word to push them over the edge.

There's plenty of proof. Two known antifa members were in the Capitol building streaming about how they "did it." They were arrested. Two FBI agents have already testified that had infiltrated various movements. They had to be there that day to testify. All I am saying is, there is a sentiment of the right that has been riled up by double standards in this country, and it's not going to take much to push them over the edge. I don't deny the thousands of Trump supporters that were there that day and angry, but you mistakenly attribute their presence to Trump. Trump is just saying what they already think. Most people there that day advocated for peace. They are angry, but they love their country. I saw a few do really dumb things, though. And those dudes need to be punished. It can't be one sided though. The left has to start owning their turds and applying an even standard to the right and the left.

That is never gonna happen, but just as I saw the right wing "turds" (as you put it), rioting at the Capital, I saw an equal amount, if not much, much more of left wing "turds" at the BLM riots. I've never placed complete blame on one side or the other. Both sides have equal blame for the division in this country. It will never change though, because both sides are waiting to see the other make a major platform change or accept blame and that will never happen. Both sides feel justified when their most radical factions do something crazy, because they always site how the other side gets away with the same behavior. I've seen it from both sides and in certain cases, they both have points, but it has to stop. Somebody needs to take the "high ground" and set a decent example and the other side needs to follow suit, but nobody will. That's why I refuse to pledge allegiance to either side.

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Once again... if actual insurrectionists were there... they'd have killed that cowardly cop instantly. Just put 10 AK-47 rounds right in his face. Not one person fired a shot. Not an insurrection.

Actually, more than likely, when confronted with firearms that cop would have pissed and [BLEEP] himself then run away screaming for help.

This is the kind of crap that makes me want to have nothing to do with the right or the left. I see radicals like this on both sides.

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Once again... if actual insurrectionists were there... they'd have killed that cowardly cop instantly. Just put 10 AK-47 rounds right in his face. Not one person fired a shot. Not an insurrection.

Actually, more than likely, when confronted with firearms that cop would have pissed and [BLEEP] himself then run away screaming for help.

Why is the extreme right so violent?  Do you hide behind your guns to "prove" how tough and manly you are?

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And if you don't agree with her, you're part of the problem..

Everything she spoke of was truth..

Don't get me wrong, I have a problem with people that devoutly follow people with an ® behind their name too.

Why do you have a problem with people that have Registered Trademarks behind their name?

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Once again... if actual insurrectionists were there... they'd have killed that cowardly cop instantly. Just put 10 AK-47 rounds right in his face. Not one person fired a shot. Not an insurrection.

Actually, more than likely, when confronted with firearms that cop would have pissed and [BLEEP] himself then run away screaming for help.

Just because the people didn't have any automatic weapons there doesn't mean they weren't insurrectionists.
The English Army in 1642 had longbows, crossbows, cannons, muskets, battering rams, and many other weapons, but Charles I kicked off the English Revolution that year with just swords and pistols.

What you see in Afghanistan that the Biden regime (your President) created is an insurrection.

The mostly peaceful protest that took place on January 6 is not.

Leftist democrats like you just can't get it through your heads.

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There are 10 kinds of people in this world.  Those who understand binary and those who don't.

Just because the people didn't have any automatic weapons there doesn't mean they weren't insurrectionists.
The English Army in 1642 had longbows, crossbows, cannons, muskets, battering rams, and many other weapons, but Charles I kicked off the English Revolution that year with just swords and pistols.

What you see in Afghanistan that the Biden regime (your President) created is an insurrection.

The mostly peaceful protest that took place on January 6 is not.

Leftist democrats like you just can't get it through your heads.

You need to learn the difference between an insurrection and a coup d'etat. What happened at the Capital was an insurrection. What is happening in Afghanistan is a coup d'etat.

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Just because the people didn't have any automatic weapons there doesn't mean they weren't insurrectionists.
The English Army in 1642 had longbows, crossbows, cannons, muskets, battering rams, and many other weapons, but Charles I kicked off the English Revolution that year with just swords and pistols.

What you see in Afghanistan that the Biden regime (your President) created is an insurrection.

The mostly peaceful protest that took place on January 6 is not.

Leftist democrats like you just can't get it through your heads.

Kabul was victim of a successful insurrection in which thousands of radicals convinced thousands of police and army to stand down.
DC on Jan 6 was victim of an attempted insurrection in which thousands of radicals proceeded under the assumption that all the police and army would stand down.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Once again... if actual insurrectionists were there... they'd have killed that cowardly cop instantly. Just put 10 AK-47 rounds right in his face. Not one person fired a shot. Not an insurrection.

Actually, more than likely, when confronted with firearms that cop would have pissed and [BLEEP] himself then run away screaming for help.

Why is the extreme right so violent?  Do you hide behind your guns to "prove" how tough and manly you are?

Because this is what happens when there isn't fair play. You can look up almost any study in primates and see violence occur when one group gets an unfair set of rules. Just start applying standards equally and this doesn't happen. It's not even a big ask.

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Why is the extreme right so violent?  Do you hide behind your guns to "prove" how tough and manly you are?

Because this is what happens when there isn't fair play. You can look up almost any study in primates and see violence occur when one group gets an unfair set of rules. Just start applying standards equally and this doesn't happen. It's not even a big ask.

I don't know about primates but I do know there is plenty of violence from leftists so I don't think the comparison holds.

There is more violence from the right though.  We have to admit. The side that insists they can't fully rely on the state for protection are more likely to personally resort to force, just like they are more likely to homeschool their kids.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Meet Ashley Babbitt --- seems like a nice girl

https://www.latimes.com/california/waagzwg9gso-123

And if you don't agree with her, you're part of the problem..

Everything she spoke of was truth..

Posts like this very much make me wish this forum was never placed here because it causes me to completely lose all respect for people like you.

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Because this is what happens when there isn't fair play. You can look up almost any study in primates and see violence occur when one group gets an unfair set of rules. Just start applying standards equally and this doesn't happen. It's not even a big ask.

I don't know about primates but I do know there is plenty of violence from leftists so I don't think the comparison holds.

There is more violence from the right though.  We have to admit. The side that insists they can't fully rely on the state for protection are more likely to personally resort to force, just like they are more likely to homeschool their kids.

Geez, you doofus... I never said there is only ONE reason for violence. I said it's the primary cause of violence from the right. Also, the right is not more violent, though I will admit that the talk of it has become more commonplace.

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I don't know about primates but I do know there is plenty of violence from leftists so I don't think the comparison holds.

There is more violence from the right though.  We have to admit. The side that insists they can't fully rely on the state for protection are more likely to personally resort to force, just like they are more likely to homeschool their kids.

Geez, you doofus... I never said there is only ONE reason for violence. I said it's the primary cause of violence from the right. Also, the right is not more violent, though I will admit that the talk of it has become more commonplace.

I really don't understand the confusion. I'm not threatening anyone. I'm not condoning violence. At all.

All I'm saying is... with the over 200 million guns in the United States.... not one was present during this "insurrection". If it were a true insurrection - everyone would have shown up fully loaded, ready to kill. Didn't happen. They were just protesting... without firebombs btw.

I don't get the vitriol... I'm stating a fact. If the right wanted an insurrection - it would have happened. With guns, death and violence and we'd still be at civil war. That didn't happen - so stop pretending it did.

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Geez, you doofus... I never said there is only ONE reason for violence. I said it's the primary cause of violence from the right. Also, the right is not more violent, though I will admit that the talk of it has become more commonplace.

I really don't understand the confusion. I'm not threatening anyone. I'm not condoning violence. At all.

All I'm saying is... with the over 200 million guns in the United States.... not one was present during this "insurrection". If it were a true insurrection - everyone would have shown up fully loaded, ready to kill. Didn't happen. They were just protesting... without firebombs btw.

I don't get the vitriol... I'm stating a fact. If the right wanted an insurrection - it would have happened. With guns, death and violence and we'd still be at civil war. That didn't happen - so stop pretending it did.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. If the Right wanted Civil War it would already be over and the Biden Junta would've been put against the wall.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I really don't understand the confusion. I'm not threatening anyone. I'm not condoning violence. At all.

All I'm saying is... with the over 200 million guns in the United States.... not one was present during this "insurrection". If it were a true insurrection - everyone would have shown up fully loaded, ready to kill. Didn't happen. They were just protesting... without firebombs btw.

I don't get the vitriol... I'm stating a fact. If the right wanted an insurrection - it would have happened. With guns, death and violence and we'd still be at civil war. That didn't happen - so stop pretending it did.

Wrong, wrong, wrong. If the Right wanted Civil War it would already be over and the Biden Junta would've been put against the wall.

That's a no true Scotsman argument right there.   The folks who planned to kidnap members of Congress and the VP on Jan 6 wanted a civil war, and they were right wingers.  The right is not homogenous, nor is the left.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.