I think this gives some players assumed justification to no longer buy in on Urban's team plans. This is the bigger issue/ repercussions of Urban's Hands Drill.

Bull [BLEEP]. A classic armchair summation. They want to win, not play drama games.

I have no doubt they want to win, and not break a record for most consecutive losses. The question is are they going to be willing to give their blood, sweat , and tears and follow the direction of someone who they have lost respect for? He's lost credibility and that will ultimately cause some to lose confidence.

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https://twitter.com/mikesilver/status/14...84243?s=21

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I'd be good with Brady too.  Probably my number 2 guy behind Daboll

Those are the top two pretty clearly, but flip them for me. What Brady did with Teddy and 3 1k yard receivers and now Darnold is slightly more impressive than what Daboll did with Allen.

Either one would be dope though.

It's more than just stats for me. Daboll has 5 SB rings as an assistant and the NFL championship experience and under BB, also a championship in college as an assistant coach.  I want the guy that has been around this league for a long time now.  Josh Allen is arguably the best QB in the league.  Much more impressive what Daboll has done with Allen imo who alot thought was a horrible QB.  A head coach is much more than just what he can get out of his QB.  I trust Daboll much more with the time he's been in this league and the coaches he's learned from

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Bull [BLEEP]. A classic armchair summation. They want to win, not play drama games.

The armchairs seem to be more right than wrong when it comes to this team…..

There are already quotes from players that they aren’t buying in anymore and that they basically laughed at him when he left the room.

Are you saying that players won’t give their full effort on the field because of all this while Meyer is coach? Yes or no. There is no gray area here.

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Bull [BLEEP]. A classic armchair summation. They want to win, not play drama games.

I have no doubt they want to win, and not break a record for most consecutive losses. The question is are they going to be willing to give their blood, sweat , and tears and follow the direction of someone who they have lost respect for? He's lost credibility and that will ultimately cause some to lose confidence.

May I suggest the rocker recliner?

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https://mobile.twitter.com/TomPelissero/...gr%5Etweet

Or has he dodged a bullet?

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True but we will find out Sunday

Translation: The lawyers said there isn't enough to fire him for violating the morals clause in his contract and if we fired him anyway, we would have to buy him out.

This seems to be the most plausible perspective from the side of ownership-level decisions regarding this situation with Urban.

My biggest issue when this first came out was the complete dissolution of accountability and leadership by Urban - and how that would negatively affect or spread amongst the players and how they might lose all player trust with the head coach.

It's akin to "if he's staying back and having fun, why the hell am I held to different standards?" I get that players/people are allowed to have fun whenever and wherever, but when this occurs DURING the season on a week where we lost a game to the Bengals, there is a loss of professionalism and structure that occurs here where instead normal functioning teams engage in.

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The armchairs seem to be more right than wrong when it comes to this team…..

There are already quotes from players that they aren’t buying in anymore and that they basically laughed at him when he left the room.

Are you saying that players won’t give their full effort on the field because of all this while Meyer is coach? Yes or no. There is no gray area here.

I’m sure the players will give 100% but that doesn’t mean they’re buying into Urbans BS.

The players can have zero respect for Urban and yet still play to win.

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The armchairs seem to be more right than wrong when it comes to this team…..

There are already quotes from players that they aren’t buying in anymore and that they basically laughed at him when he left the room.

Are you saying that players won’t give their full effort on the field because of all this while Meyer is coach? Yes or no. There is no gray area here.

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I have no doubt they want to win, and not break a record for most consecutive losses. The question is are they going to be willing to give their blood, sweat , and tears and follow the direction of someone who they have lost respect for? He's lost credibility and that will ultimately cause some to lose confidence.

May I suggest the rocker recliner?

Do you believe that respect for and belief in the head coach of a team affects the team's play? Yes or no, no gray area here.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

YeH I’m not liking how this is playing out so far. I don’t think urban lasts here based on the initial months of his tenure

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Shad Khan is now one of the main reasons we're a laughingstock if he wasn't already.

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Are you saying that players won’t give their full effort on the field because of all this while Meyer is coach? Yes or no. There is no gray area here.

I’m sure the players will give 100% but that doesn’t mean they’re buying into Urbans BS.

The players can have zero respect for Urban and yet still play to win.

Which is all that matters, right? 

You guys are so invested in your hate for Meyer you can’t even keep priorities straight. Stop coloring the situation with your own emotions. He’s here to coach a team. Period. If they start winning none of this will matter. 

I swear, I’m shocked at the unreasonable and visceral emotion some of you guys are channeling here. It’s been a really weird time on this board.

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Shad Khan is now one of the main reasons we're a laughingstock if he wasn't already.

+100

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Are you saying that players won’t give their full effort on the field because of all this while Meyer is coach? Yes or no. There is no gray area here.

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May I suggest the rocker recliner?

Do you believe that respect for and belief in the head coach of a team affects the team's play? Yes or no, no gray area here.

Seeing as the team has improved every game, is there any doubt they respect his abilities as a coach? This matter means waaaayyyy more to you guys than it does to the players.

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I’m sure the players will give 100% but that doesn’t mean they’re buying into Urbans BS.

The players can have zero respect for Urban and yet still play to win.

Which is all that matters, right? 

You guys are so invested in your hate for Meyer you can’t even keep priorities straight. Stop coloring the situation with your own emotions. He’s here to coach a team. Period. If they start winning none of this will matter. 

I swear, I’m shocked at the unreasonable and visceral emotion some of you guys are channeling here. It’s been a really weird time on this board.

https://twitter.com/bykevinclark/status/...86081?s=21

Bringing the team together! Great job Urban.

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Do you believe that respect for and belief in the head coach of a team affects the team's play? Yes or no, no gray area here.

Seeing as the team has improved every game, is there any doubt they respect his abilities as a coach? This matter means waaaayyyy more to you guys than it does to the players.

Are you purposefully ignoring all the reports about what the players have said and done?

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That was literally less than two weeks ago. We've somehow stooped much farther down since then, while obviously not working harder than anyone else, and Urban is still getting another chance. What a joke. I have no clue how any of us stay fans.

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Do you believe that respect for and belief in the head coach of a team affects the team's play? Yes or no, no gray area here.

Seeing as the team has improved every game, is there any doubt they respect his abilities as a coach? This matter means waaaayyyy more to you guys than it does to the players.

Seems by their own admission they are just putting up with him. What part of "he had little credibility to begin with" is hard to understand? You act like winning is a given, but it's not inevitable by any stretch. At this point it seems more likely that this guy is going to make things worse than they were last year and waste our shiny new quarterback in the process.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Which is all that matters, right? 

You guys are so invested in your hate for Meyer you can’t even keep priorities straight. Stop coloring the situation with your own emotions. He’s here to coach a team. Period. If they start winning none of this will matter. 

I swear, I’m shocked at the unreasonable and visceral emotion some of you guys are channeling here. It’s been a really weird time on this board.

https://twitter.com/bykevinclark/status/...86081?s=21

Bringing the team together! Great job Urban.

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Seeing as the team has improved every game, is there any doubt they respect his abilities as a coach? This matter means waaaayyyy more to you guys than it does to the players.

Are you purposefully ignoring all the reports about what the players have said and done?

All the reports about the players? Do you mean the one report from one unidentified player?

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That was literally less than two weeks ago. We've somehow stooped much farther down since then, while obviously not working harder than anyone else, and Urban is still getting another chance. What a joke. I have no clue how any of us stay fans.

Lol, looks like Urbz was out to the bar during that photoshoot.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I’m genuinely curious. What is the root of your dislike for Urban Meyer?

I believe he knowingly violated the rules of college football while whining about other people doing it. I believe he allowed felons to avoid the rules and remain on his team. I believe he abandoned Florida after he started the dumpster fire using his health as an excuse. I believe he covered up Zack Smith's domestic abuse at OSU. I believe he's a great coach when his personnel are better than the other team's but he's not particularly good at the Xs and OS of football. I think he's in over his head here, has already damaged this team by making moves just like Caldwell did, and that he'll quit when he realizes it.

In short I think he's a really bad guy who lacks integrity and class, and when it catches up with him he runs away like a little [BLEEP].

Do you believe that respect for and belief in the head coach of a team affects the team's play? Yes or no, no gray area here.

Seeing as the team has improved every game, is there any doubt they respect his abilities as a coach? This matter means waaaayyyy more to you guys than it does to the players.

you're either unaware or purposefully ignoring the only quotes we have from players:

"He has zero credibility in that stadium, he had very little to begin with"

Players were very put off that he canceled Monday's team meeting as he dealt with the uproar of this issue.  "He was too scared" said a player.

Meyer only apologized to position groups individually.  He portrayed the woman as a random person.  The audience was highly skeptical.

A player said "we looked at him like [BLEEP]?  Right when he left, everyone started dying laughing, and he knew it".

Bottom line said the player, "It's bad, I don't know how he's going to function".

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Seeing as the team has improved every game, is there any doubt they respect his abilities as a coach? This matter means waaaayyyy more to you guys than it does to the players.

Seems by their own admission they are just putting up with him. What part of "he had little credibility to begin with" is hard to understand? You act like winning is a given, but it's not inevitable by any stretch. At this point it seems more likely that this guy is going to make things worse than they were last year and waste our shiny new quarterback in the process.

One unidentified player. That’s it. 

Remember when we went down this road before about Urban losing the locker room and it turned out to not be true?

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The armchairs seem to be more right than wrong when it comes to this team…..

There are already quotes from players that they aren’t buying in anymore and that they basically laughed at him when he left the room.

Are you saying that players won’t give their full effort on the field because of all this while Meyer is coach? Yes or no. There is no gray area here.

You're asking if leadership can affect performance. Of course. Otherwise, motivational speeches are worthless. Are you more motivated to perform for your superiors when they lose your respect?

Would you, as a forum poster, lose credibility because of ridiculous posts? Of course you would, and this would cause readers to not put forth effort in reading your content. Same for Urban. If he has lost credibility for lying, cheating, not following his own decrees to the team, then yes, there will be some reluctance to want to keep tuned in.

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