Keyshawn Johnson has been saying Gruden was a bad dude for years.

Probably because he's the one coach the was hard on KJ and made him work his [BLEEP] off.  I'm trusting Charles Woodson over KJ

Except Keyshawn first played for Parcells.... So your first "point" doesn't make sense.

It's pretty clear now that Gruden isn't a good dude.

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Its crazy that Gruden will now end being branded a racist?

Anyone can claim to be a good guy, Gruden's own words are the reason he's being looked at as a racist, a homophobe (shouldn't have to draft queers) and a misogynist (women shouldn't be officials).   From what I've read, some of the emails were from as late as 2018. 

I'd really like to see what's in the 600,000 other emails they have - the investigation was looking at the toxic workplace that had been going on for years in Washington.  Gruden's emails were just a by-product of that investigation.  You have to think that there are worse from Dan Snyder.

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Since when is playing grab [BLEEP] with a chick who is dry humping your leg sexual assault?? The dude is an jerk for cheating on his wife (unless they have that kind of relationship) but let’s not go completely hyperbolic with it.

We have been reliably told for the last like decade that when there is a gigantic power difference there is no such thing as consent. Remember the Weinstein junk? All that was supposedly consensual at the time. Well, one of the 32 people on the world who are a head coach of an NFL team, who also owned the establishment they were in, who is also quite possibly the most celebrated person in the entire city that they were in? Yeah, that's a gigantic power difference.

The girl is supposedly being harassed now and may lose her job. How awful would it be if she lost her job and the man that was trying to use her as his own personal human bowling ball skates free, as always. She's obviously far from a saint, but Meyer certainly may be the devil.

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Since when is playing grab [BLEEP] with a chick who is dry humping your leg sexual assault?? The dude is an jerk for cheating on his wife (unless they have that kind of relationship) but let’s not go completely hyperbolic with it.

We have been reliably told for the last like decade that when there is a gigantic power difference there is no such thing as consent. Remember the Weinstein junk? All that was supposedly consensual at the time. Well, one of the 32 people on the world who are a head coach of an NFL team, who also owned the establishment they were in, who is also quite possibly the most celebrated person in the entire city that they were in? Yeah, that's a gigantic power difference.

The girl is supposedly being harassed now and may lose her job. How awful would it be if she lost her job and the man that was trying to use her as his own personal human bowling ball skates free, as always. She's obviously far from a saint, but Meyer certainly may be the devil.

You have Urban Derangement Syndrome. You have it bad.

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We have been reliably told for the last like decade that when there is a gigantic power difference there is no such thing as consent. Remember the Weinstein junk? All that was supposedly consensual at the time. Well, one of the 32 people on the world who are a head coach of an NFL team, who also owned the establishment they were in, who is also quite possibly the most celebrated person in the entire city that they were in? Yeah, that's a gigantic power difference.

The girl is supposedly being harassed now and may lose her job. How awful would it be if she lost her job and the man that was trying to use her as his own personal human bowling ball skates free, as always. She's obviously far from a saint, but Meyer certainly may be the devil.

You have Urban Derangement Syndrome. You have it bad.

I don't like bad human beings who are bad human beings on top of being bad coaches, you got me. Keep defending bad people.

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You have Urban Derangement Syndrome. You have it bad.

I don't like bad human beings who are bad human beings on top of being bad coaches, you got me. Keep defending bad people.

Like…really bad.

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I don't like bad human beings who are bad human beings on top of being bad coaches, you got me. Keep defending bad people.

Like…really bad.

People with UDS aren't going to recognize they have UDS. It's part of the deal.

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Like…really bad.

People with UDS aren't going to recognize they have UDS. It's part of the deal.

So which part of the grievances are contrived?

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Since when is playing grab [BLEEP] with a chick who is dry humping your leg sexual assault?? The dude is an jerk for cheating on his wife (unless they have that kind of relationship) but let’s not go completely hyperbolic with it.

We have been reliably told for the last like decade that when there is a gigantic power difference there is no such thing as consent. Remember the Weinstein junk? All that was supposedly consensual at the time. Well, one of the 32 people on the world who are a head coach of an NFL team, who also owned the establishment they were in, who is also quite possibly the most celebrated person in the entire city that they were in? Yeah, that's a gigantic power difference.

The girl is supposedly being harassed now and may lose her job. How awful would it be if she lost her job and the man that was trying to use her as his own personal human bowling ball skates free, as always. She's obviously far from a saint, but Meyer certainly may be the devil.

He has absolutely no power over her. He’s not her boss. You’re really reaching on this. Being hit on by a rich and powerful guy isn’t sexual assault just because he’s rich and/or powerful.

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

We have been reliably told for the last like decade that when there is a gigantic power difference there is no such thing as consent. Remember the Weinstein junk? All that was supposedly consensual at the time. Well, one of the 32 people on the world who are a head coach of an NFL team, who also owned the establishment they were in, who is also quite possibly the most celebrated person in the entire city that they were in? Yeah, that's a gigantic power difference.

The girl is supposedly being harassed now and may lose her job. How awful would it be if she lost her job and the man that was trying to use her as his own personal human bowling ball skates free, as always. She's obviously far from a saint, but Meyer certainly may be the devil.

He has absolutely no power over her. He’s not her boss. You’re really reaching on this. Being hit on by a rich and powerful guy isn’t sexual assault just because he’s rich and/or powerful.

Monica Lewinsky and many other women these past ten years or so would disagree. Maybe not "assault", but it's definitely viewed as more repugnant now.

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We have been reliably told for the last like decade that when there is a gigantic power difference there is no such thing as consent. Remember the Weinstein junk? All that was supposedly consensual at the time. Well, one of the 32 people on the world who are a head coach of an NFL team, who also owned the establishment they were in, who is also quite possibly the most celebrated person in the entire city that they were in? Yeah, that's a gigantic power difference.

The girl is supposedly being harassed now and may lose her job. How awful would it be if she lost her job and the man that was trying to use her as his own personal human bowling ball skates free, as always. She's obviously far from a saint, but Meyer certainly may be the devil.

He has absolutely no power over her. He’s not her boss. You’re really reaching on this. Being hit on by a rich and powerful guy isn’t sexual assault just because he’s rich and/or powerful.

And Tiger Woods wasn't the Perkins waitress' boss either, but like she said there's enormous pressure when you're trying to say no to the most powerful person you've ever known.

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He has absolutely no power over her. He’s not her boss. You’re really reaching on this. Being hit on by a rich and powerful guy isn’t sexual assault just because he’s rich and/or powerful.

Monica Lewinsky and many other women these past ten years or so would disagree. Maybe not "assault", but it's definitely viewed as more repugnant now.

There is only one person that knows Urban's intent. There is only one person that knows the offended ladies intent. None of us know the intent whether you have UDS or not. So any argument based upon that is just not valid. There are a lot of people in the media and coaching that just want to pull Urban down, like getting a notch on their six shooter for cowboys I guess. Go ahead play into their hands like useful fools. I am going to let how he does with the Jaguars frame my opinion.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

People with UDS aren't going to recognize they have UDS. It's part of the deal.

So which part of the grievances are contrived?

You don’t think they’re being a little hyperbolic in attempting to lay blame on Meyer because she decided to grind on him? I realize you’re on their side, but you seem to be at least a little more reasonable.

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He has absolutely no power over her. He’s not her boss. You’re really reaching on this. Being hit on by a rich and powerful guy isn’t sexual assault just because he’s rich and/or powerful.

Monica Lewinsky and many other women these past ten years or so would disagree. Maybe not "assault", but it's definitely viewed as more repugnant now.

Monica Lewinsky was an intern in the White House…Clinton was literally her boss. That’s a huge difference.

It’s interesting that no one is claiming she sexually assaulted him by grinding in his lap. If grabbing her butt is assault, then her rubbing that butt all over him should be equally classified as assault.

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He has absolutely no power over her. He’s not her boss. You’re really reaching on this. Being hit on by a rich and powerful guy isn’t sexual assault just because he’s rich and/or powerful.

And Tiger Woods wasn't the Perkins waitress' boss either, but like she said there's enormous pressure when you're trying to say no to the most powerful person you've ever known.

There was nothing about the woman giving Urbs a lap dance in public that shows she was trying to say no to anything.

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

People with UDS aren't going to recognize they have UDS. It's part of the deal.

So which part of the grievances are contrived?

In the case of the incident in the bar, the moral outrage is contrived. That doesn't mean it didn't happen, it means UDS is causing it to be comically overblown. It was poor judgement on Urbs part no doubt. On the other hand, UDS has caused some people to equate the incident to sexual assault and him to a sexual predator which is utterly ridiculous.

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Monica Lewinsky and many other women these past ten years or so would disagree. Maybe not "assault", but it's definitely viewed as more repugnant now.

Monica Lewinsky was an intern in the White House…Clinton was literally her boss. That’s a huge difference.

It’s interesting that no one is claiming she sexually assaulted him by grinding in his lap. If grabbing her butt is assault, then her rubbing that butt all over him should be equally classified as assault.

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And Tiger Woods wasn't the Perkins waitress' boss either, but like she said there's enormous pressure when you're trying to say no to the most powerful person you've ever known.

There was nothing about the woman giving Urbs a lap dance in public that shows she was trying to say no to anything.

Stop with the Stockholm Syndrome, already. You're a feeble woman whose will is altered by the presence of famous and predatory men. Please drop your victim apologist impulse long enough to allow these wise men to teach you about true misogyny.  

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He’ll be fired after the by

By an owner who gave gus and marrone all those years to "win"

Please. Urban gets some time.

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The man can get all the lap dances he wants, he's an adult and it's his own business.. The problem here is that he's leaving this team severely under-coached and mishandled.

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The man can get all the lap dances he wants, he's an adult and it's his own business.. The problem here is that he's leaving this team severely under-coached and mishandled.

This I can understand and debate. Everyone else keeps conflating pearl clutching with football. 

It’s really weird.

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