Put Bridgewater on Manziel's team and they go undefeated. The two teams that beat Manziel had the talent to keep him in the pocket....talent he will face every game as a pro.

A&M would be undefeated for sure with Bridgewater

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It's a team game, A&M is overall way more loaded than SMU or any team in that conference. You can't judge how good a quarterback is by stats when he relies on other people for them.

But that's the point of this thread. You AAC-apologists are using a circular argument.
 
1)Someone says Bortles/Teddy played against weaker competition than MAnziel. You say strength of schedule/competition isn't important, it's basically the same players.
 
2)Someone shows what Manziel did against Bortles/Teddy's level of competition. You say that's unfair, because Manziel's team(SEC players) are way better competition/players.

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Put Bridgewater on Manziel's team and they go undefeated. The two teams that beat Manziel had the talent to keep him in the pocket....talent he will face every game as a pro.

 



 

Kid didn't even go undefeated in the easiest conference in college football, with the number 2 defense in the entire nation.

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Put Bridgewater on Manziel's team and they go undefeated. The two teams that beat Manziel had the talent to keep him in the pocket....talent he will face every game as a pro.

Can Teddy play defense?

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Kid didn't even go undefeated in the easiest conference in college football, with the number 2 defense in the entire nation.

What are talking you talking about????

 

Bridgewater doesn't have Mike Evans and a all american o line

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Things get evened out in arguments like this.  Numbers aren't what scouts are looking at with prospects and certainly not one like Manziel.  

 

His numbers are impressive, great, one of the best college football players ever.  That doesn't mean much for how he will play in the pros.  

 

I like Johnny Manziel.  I like Teddy Bridgewater.  I look forward to seeing how Johnny develops in the pros.  It will make for a great story and will be exciting to watch.  I don't want to watch that in a Jaguars uniform because I am not confident that it will be a good ending.  I don't have confidence, or enough confidence, that Johnny will be a good NFL QB.  

 

As far as this level of competition argument: you have to consider more than level of opponents.  You have to consider surrounding talent, offenses they play in, etc.  

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What are talking you talking about????

holy-hell. Before I even start, lemme just say this is in no-way directed at KYjaggy. I personally think he knows his stuff about Teddy.

 

But to you other Teddy guys, honest question, did any of you actually watch any games of Louisville this year? That's an honest question. You act like Manziel had the most loaded college team in history, and then cry "oh poor Teddy", he was on such a horrible team, if he only had a good team like Johnny did.

If you have any sense and honesty about you, pleeeease consider this.

<div>In the preseason polls, Louisville was ranked only 2 spots lower than Texas A&M.
 
In the final rankings, Louisville was ranked 3 spots higher than Texas A&M.
 
Louisville ended 2013 with the second best defense in the entire nation(better statistically than even Saban's Alabama).
 
Louisville had one of the best coaches all of college football(case in point, he's coaching at some small little school called Texas right now).
 
Louisville was playing in one of the worst conferences, with THE easiest schedule of any preseason top-10 team.
 
Many believed before the season that Louisville may actually be a BCS buster, and get in the championship game.
 

 

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So what the hell am I missing?
Teddy was playing on a top-10 team, with a top-10 coach, the number 2 defense in the entire nation, and unarguably the easiest road to the heisman of any preseason hopeful.
If its so obvious to you then Wiseman, that Teddy was soo much better than Johnny, why did Bridgewater not even get an invite to the heisman ceremony this year? Manziel got one, so did 3 other QBs this year.
 
Take your best shot Wiseman, I want a good reason. Who do you personally blame for Teddy's not being invited? Can't blame it on his top-10 coach, can't blame it on his second ranked defense, can't blame it on his top-10 team, can't blame it on his easily winnable conference. What excuse is left?

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BTW, Lemme just answer my own question and give you my personal opinion about why Teddy didn't get invited to the heisman ceremony. 

<div>Why? It's because Teddy's not a gamer, he'll never, i repeat HE'LL NEVER put up stats or dominate the football field like Johnny did, or even Cam Newton did. But guess what, Teddy doesn't have to. He's a totally different kind of QB.
Andrew Luck can't do what Cam and Johnny do, but guess what, he's a better all around "quarterback" than both of them. Get it? What makes Teddy so great is his poise, precision, he's smart, controls the game, and has what the NFL is looking for when it comes decision making. His throwing mechanics are literally a thing of beauty. Have you ever seen him throw? You can't teach that kind of stuff. He doesn't play backyard football, he plays frontyard football, with every intangible you want in a standard NFL quarterback.
You're comparing him to Manziel's skills are just stupid, he's not Manziel, few if any are. He couldn't do better on A&M than Johnny did, and I don't think Teddy even on his best day could ever have put up over 500-yards on Alabama this year. But again, that's okay, because Teddy's an entirely different QB. And they'll both be top-10 picks this year for totally different reasons. 
Do you get what I'm saying?
 
When you compare Teddy to Manziel on sheer numbers and skill on the football field, Teddy always loses. Stick to what makes Teddy so great(perhaps the best QB of this class). His mechanics, his poise, his throwing motions, his size, his NFL-playing style, etc, etc; because that's where he shines.
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holy-hell. Before I even start, lemme just say this is in no-way directed at KYjaggy. I personally think he knows his stuff about Teddy.

 

But to you other Teddy guys, honest question, did any of you actually watch any games of Louisville this year? That's an honest question. You act like Manziel had the most loaded college team in history, and then cry "oh poor Teddy", he was on such a horrible team, if he only had a good team like Johnny did.

If you have any sense and honesty about you, pleeeease consider this.

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So what the hell am I missing?
Teddy was playing on a top-10 team, with a top-10 coach, the number 2 defense in the entire nation, and unarguably the easiest road to the heisman of any preseason hopeful.
If its so obvious to you then Wiseman, that Teddy was soo much better than Johnny, why did Bridgewater not even get an invite to the heisman ceremony this year? Manziel got one, so did 3 other QBs this year.
 
Take your best shot Wiseman, I want a good reason. Who do you personally blame for Teddy's not being invited? Can't blame it on his top-10 coach, can't blame it on his second ranked defense, can't blame it on his top-10 team, can't blame it on his easily winnable conference. What excuse is left?
 

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You honestly use the Heisman as some sort of talent barometer for the pros??????? 

 

 

hahahahahahahahahahahahaha

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<div>BTW, Lemme just answer my own question and give you my personal opinion about why Teddy didn't get invited to the heisman ceremony. 

<div>Why? It's because Teddy's not a gamer, he'll never, i repeat HE'LL NEVER put up stats or dominate the football field like Johnny did, or even Cam Newton did. But guess what, Teddy doesn't have to. He's a totally different kind of QB.
Andrew Luck can't do what Cam and Johnny do, but guess what, he's a better all around "quarterback" than both of them. Get it? What makes Teddy so great is his poise, precision, he's smart, controls the game, and has what the NFL is looking for when it comes decision making. His throwing mechanics are literally a thing of beauty. Have you ever seen him throw? You can't teach that kind of stuff. He doesn't play backyard football, he plays frontyard football, with every intangible you want in a standard NFL quarterback.
You're comparing him to Manziel's skills are just stupid, he's not Manziel, few if any are. He couldn't do better on A&M than Johnny did, and I don't think Teddy even on his best day could ever have put up over 500-yards on Alabama this year. But again, that's okay, because Teddy's an entirely different QB. And they'll both be top-10 picks this year for totally different reasons. 
Do you get what I'm saying?
 
When you compare Teddy to Manziel on sheer numbers and skill on the football field, Teddy always loses. Stick to what makes Teddy so great(perhaps the best QB of this class). His mechanics, his poise, his throwing motions, his size, his NFL-playing style, etc, etc; because that's where he shines.
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I think you just don't see how difficult Manziel made it on himself and his team.

 

He had clean pockets that he ran out of, open reads everywhere that he missed.

 

I like his talent but no way to being a jag

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Things get evened out in arguments like this.  Numbers aren't what scouts are looking at with prospects and certainly not one like Manziel.  

 

His numbers are impressive, great, one of the best college football players ever.  That doesn't mean much for how he will play in the pros.  

 

I like Johnny Manziel.  I like Teddy Bridgewater.  I look forward to seeing how Johnny develops in the pros.  It will make for a great story and will be exciting to watch.  I don't want to watch that in a Jaguars uniform because I am not confident that it will be a good ending.  I don't have confidence, or enough confidence, that Johnny will be a good NFL QB.  

 

As far as this level of competition argument: you have to consider more than level of opponents.  You have to consider surrounding talent, offenses they play in, etc.  

 

Wrong!  Manziel would've had over infinity billion yards and well over 200 TDs in the AAC!!!!!!!!

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<div>BTW, Lemme just answer my own question and give you my personal opinion about why Teddy didn't get invited to the heisman ceremony. 

<div>Why? It's because Teddy's not a gamer, he'll never, i repeat HE'LL NEVER put up stats or dominate the football field like Johnny did, or even Cam Newton did. But guess what, Teddy doesn't have to. He's a totally different kind of QB.
Andrew Luck can't do what Cam and Johnny do, but guess what, he's a better all around "quarterback" than both of them. Get it? What makes Teddy so great is his poise, precision, he's smart, controls the game, and has what the NFL is looking for when it comes decision making. His throwing mechanics are literally a thing of beauty. Have you ever seen him throw? You can't teach that kind of stuff. He doesn't play backyard football, he plays frontyard football, with every intangible you want in a standard NFL quarterback.
You're comparing him to Manziel's skills are just stupid, he's not Manziel, few if any are. He couldn't do better on A&M than Johnny did, and I don't think Teddy even on his best day could ever have put up over 500-yards on Alabama this year. But again, that's okay, because Teddy's an entirely different QB. And they'll both be top-10 picks this year for totally different reasons. 
Do you get what I'm saying?
 
When you compare Teddy to Manziel on sheer numbers and skill on the football field, Teddy always loses. Stick to what makes Teddy so great(perhaps the best QB of this class). His mechanics, his poise, his throwing motions, his size, his NFL-playing style, etc, etc; because that's where he shines.
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I'll go ahead and drop this fact on you: Only 1 Heisman winning QB has won a playoff game in the last 26 YEARS. That QB only had a 3 year NFL career as well. The Heisman means literally nothing.

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Teddy playing behind one of the best online in the ncaa would have gone undefeated.

Oh...and btw...how come the "level of competition" doesn't taint Louisville' s defensive ranking Skippy? Manzealots always want it both ways.

you guys whine about "Teddy homers"

But I've yet to see a single Teddy supporter change his screen name to some goofy fanboy nickname.

Maybe Johnny can wave his Heisman at the NFL de's that will be eating his lunch when he tries that sandlot crap in the pros.

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If that RV sales place wants Tebow in Jax bad enough to take out a billboard saying as much.....they should just HIRE him.

Teddy playing behind one of the best online in the ncaa would have gone undefeated.

LOL, I love how I brought up 3 games in which Teddy's team gave up 20 point leads (2 of which came this year including UCF loss).


Your comeback was QBs don't play defense (even though my point was he failed to continue the lead on offense), and yet Teddy would have gone undefeated in arguably the best conference in the NCAA with one of the worst defenses in college football.....


NO, he wouldn't have!

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The strength of schedule argument is a weak one in the first place. Players cannot control that.

Yes they can.

 

Bridgewater de-committed from Miami before their head coach was fired, and he said he was going to LSU until he discovered they were going to visit Mettenberger. He deliberately withdrew himself twice from major college football programs to avoid competition for a starting quarterback job.

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Yes they can.

 

Bridgewater de-committed from Miami before their head coach was fired, and he said he was going to LSU until he discovered they were going to visit Mettenberger. He deliberately withdrew himself twice from major college football programs to avoid competition for a starting quarterback job.

if Miami is so much better then why did they get destroyed by Louisville?

 

you're gonna fault a guy for picking a school that gave him a better chance to play?

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Yes they can.

 

Bridgewater de-committed from Miami before their head coach was fired, and he said he was going to LSU until he discovered they were going to visit Mettenberger. He deliberately withdrew himself twice from major college football programs to avoid competition for a starting quarterback job.

Manziel did the same thing w/ Oregon too. Does that mean he was scared of competition too?

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Yes they can.

 

Bridgewater de-committed from Miami before their head coach was fired, and he said he was going to LSU until he discovered they were going to visit Mettenberger. He deliberately withdrew himself twice from major college football programs to avoid competition for a starting quarterback job.

Hence why Miami got crushed by Louisville right????

 

When will you stop pushing that B.S?????

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Yes they can.

 

Bridgewater de-committed from Miami before their head coach was fired, and he said he was going to LSU until he discovered they were going to visit Mettenberger. He deliberately withdrew himself twice from major college football programs to avoid competition for a starting quarterback job.

 

 

and you know this how?  link please!!

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I'll go ahead and drop this fact on you: Only 1 Heisman winning QB has won a playoff game in the last 26 YEARS. That QB only had a 3 year NFL career as well. The Heisman means literally nothing.

Cam Newton didn't win a playoff game yet? If he hasn't he will. And he will be in the league a lot longer than 3 years. RG3 will do it too (barring further injury). Tebows NFL career might not be over yet too, so yeah I would say that argument is weak sauce on this topic. Sometimes the Heisman really does get some of the best QB's.

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