Wins and losses are not 100% on the players (Meyer) and not 100% on the coaches (Marrone). We all know that it's somewhere in the middle for both. The Golden Mean.

Now can we please close this thread? It's as stale as a 7 day old bologna sandwich. Doug would concur.

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

His motivation is Ego.

That is actually a huge motivational factor of many successful people so if one is using his/her ego for motivational purposes, that's actually a good thing.

I'm not saying it's bad, but it certainly made him appear overconfident and unprepared for life in the Bigs.

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OMG.... so once again it's completely urban's fault that we're losing... but if we were winning it would have nothing to do with Urban...

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I haven't gotten around to it yet... but My response was to pretty much anybody who assumes they know why urban took the job.... and of course all the urban haters are going to say it was for ego or the money etc... like one idiot said urban can bring us to five super bowls and he would still hate him.... That's just downright ridiculous...

Human garbage is still human garbage regardless. I don't like or praise any NFL player that beats women or children - the rest of the country may lack the morals and principles to just say "oh well look at good he can run!" - I and a whole lot of others actually care about who a person is.

But he's not going to win anything with his lazy attitude and poor management. He will quit within 2 years.

As long as that little logo on his shirt is a Jaguar that guy will be content with Urbz no matter how pathetic he's performing or how awful a person he is.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Dear God, we’re still beating this dead horse? Dead horse is dead…let it die in peace!

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

Dear God, we’re still beating this dead horse? Dead horse is dead…let it die in peace!

But if the horse is already dead then it doesn't know that we're beating it...

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Dear God, we’re still beating this dead horse? Dead horse is dead…let it die in peace!

But if the horse is already dead then it doesn't know that we're beating it...

It’s still cruelty to animals…

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What in the Wide Wide World of Sports is agoin' on here???

“The ownership of this team is with the players,” Meyer said, regarding the question of getting the team ready to play the Titans on Sunday. “I don’t believe that’s in my court. . . . The leaders on the team are going to make that decision. It depends on how much trust you have built up with them, how we structure everything this week and focus on winning that game. . . . I’m going to be extremely clear as I can. Our staff is working their tails off. But you know as well as I do that the ownership of this team is with the players.”

OMG.... so once again it's completely urban's fault that we're losing... but if we were winning it would have nothing to do with Urban...

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the question invited opinion/speculation. Why did you not choose to call out any of the other responses that were equally speculative?

I've yet to see a factual reference cited regarding Urban's motivation. Unless Urbz has directly responded to a reporter as to why he chose to coach again, every single reason anyone can offer is pure supposition, no matter how much an expert or personal acquaintance one might be.

I haven't gotten around to it yet... but My response was to pretty much anybody who assumes they know why urban took the job.... and of course all the urban haters are going to say it was for ego or the money etc... like one idiot said urban can bring us to five super bowls and he would still hate him.... That's just downright ridiculous...

alright, I'll bite. Outside of ego or money, why do you opine he took the job? I'm ok with opinion, but feel free to reference any factual evidence you see fit.

And I get what the other poster is saying completely. I wouldn't want a Ray Rice, Tyreek Hill or Greg Hardy type of person on our roster, even if they were the best to ever play their position. Some people are more willing to overlook wrongdoing than others. You're cool with Urbz' tenure thusfar, and that's ok. Others might not be. That's ok too, that's their opinion, and is not in any way idiotic.

Let's turn it on its head a bit - were you ok with the Doyle hire? He's been a reputable S&C coach with years of experience and very likely would have helped our team develop, and maybe even end up with a SB contender. Or was his recent past too much to overlook?

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That is actually a huge motivational factor of many successful people so if one is using his/her ego for motivational purposes, that's actually a good thing.

I'm not saying it's bad, but it certainly made him appear overconfident and unprepared for life in the Bigs.

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Human garbage is still human garbage regardless. I don't like or praise any NFL player that beats women or children - the rest of the country may lack the morals and principles to just say "oh well look at good he can run!" - I and a whole lot of others actually care about who a person is.

But he's not going to win anything with his lazy attitude and poor management. He will quit within 2 years.

As long as that little logo on his shirt is a Jaguar that guy will be content with Urbz no matter how pathetic he's performing or how awful a person he is.

That's not true but I'm going to give him more than five games.... I'm going to give him a chance especially after inheriting a 1-15 team and a rookie quarterback....You guys wanted him out on day one... and all of you expected us to come out and start winning games lol how unrealistic is that... but if the guy turns it around and we start winning games... going to the playoffs possibly winning super bowls and you still want to throw him under the bus and get rid of him... then yeah that's extremely moronic

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Exactly. Give the coach some time, and stop beating a dead horse

1-15 last year, and the team just about completely stripped on defense the last 3 seasons. All that for draft picks that mostly didn't hit. I suggest common sense my friends. I'm cautiously optimistic.

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I'm not saying it's bad, but it certainly made him appear overconfident and unprepared for life in the Bigs.

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As long as that little logo on his shirt is a Jaguar that guy will be content with Urbz no matter how pathetic he's performing or how awful a person he is.

That's not true but I'm going to give him more than five games.... I'm going to give him a chance especially after inheriting a 1-15 team and a rookie quarterback....You guys wanted him out on day one... and all of you expected us to come out and start winning games lol how unrealistic is that... but if the guy turns it around and we start winning games... going to the playoffs possibly winning super bowls and you still want to throw him under the bus and get rid of him... then yeah that's extremely moronic

Forgive me for expecting them to beat the Texans who are the worst team in the NFL…. And that includes the winless Lions.

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That's not true but I'm going to give him more than five games.... I'm going to give him a chance especially after inheriting a 1-15 team and a rookie quarterback....You guys wanted him out on day one... and all of you expected us to come out and start winning games lol how unrealistic is that... but if the guy turns it around and we start winning games... going to the playoffs possibly winning super bowls and you still want to throw him under the bus and get rid of him... then yeah that's extremely moronic

Forgive me for expecting them to beat the Texans who are the worst team in the NFL…. And that includes the winless Lions.

Lol, you and your unrealistic expectations. I merely wanted to see a game plan that used our best player to benefit our newest one. I guess we were both high at the time.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

That's not true but I'm going to give him more than five games.... I'm going to give him a chance especially after inheriting a 1-15 team and a rookie quarterback....You guys wanted him out on day one... and all of you expected us to come out and start winning games lol how unrealistic is that... but if the guy turns it around and we start winning games... going to the playoffs possibly winning super bowls and you still want to throw him under the bus and get rid of him... then yeah that's extremely moronic

Forgive me for expecting them to beat the Texans who are the worst team in the NFL…. And that includes the winless Lions.

Some of his in game decisions are what annoy me the most.  Let's just say some of them haven't been statistically sound.

By the way, remember you're talking to a Tebow proponent here.

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Forgive me for expecting them to beat the Texans who are the worst team in the NFL…. And that includes the winless Lions.

Some of his in game decisions are what annoy me the most.  Let's just say some of them haven't been statistically sound.

By the way, remember you're talking to a Tebow proponent here.

I did not realize he was one of those. Makes so much sense though.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Comedic overreach

That or a comedic reach around


It is kinda on the lame side.  So, you’re probably more accurate than I

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Forgive me for expecting them to beat the Texans who are the worst team in the NFL…. And that includes the winless Lions.

Some of his in game decisions are what annoy me the most.  Let's just say some of them haven't been statistically sound.

By the way, remember you're talking to a Tebow proponent here.

hope you're not talking about me... I'm not a Tebow fan...never have been...and if you are talking about me then you're making [BLEEP] up because I've never mentioned him....and you're upset  because we didn't win our first game with a QB that had literally never played in the NFL with coaches who have never coached in the NFL... like I said completely unrealistic

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Some of his in game decisions are what annoy me the most.  Let's just say some of them haven't been statistically sound.

By the way, remember you're talking to a Tebow proponent here.

hope you're not talking about me... I'm not a Tebow fan...never have been...and if you are talking about me then you're making [BLEEP] up because I've never mentioned him....and you're upset  because we didn't win our first game with a QB that had literally never played in the NFL with coaches who have never coached in the NFL... like I said completely unrealistic

Excuses.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

hope you're not talking about me... I'm not a Tebow fan...never have been...and if you are talking about me then you're making [BLEEP] up because I've never mentioned him....and you're upset  because we didn't win our first game with a QB that had literally never played in the NFL with coaches who have never coached in the NFL... like I said completely unrealistic

Excuses.

excuses?? You're just making crap up now... but that's doesn't really surprised me.... it's what [BLEEP] do when they lose arguments... by the way how did you get the Texans where the worst team in the league? because the media told you? here's a little rude awakening... we're the worst team in the league!!  we were the worst team in the league last year and we started out the season the worst team in the league.... once again you thought because we got TL that we were going to come out and start winning games... that was unrealistic.... but I've read your posts on this message board for a long time now and you've always been unrealistic and negative...and you really don't know much about football... or your comments and your views really show that you don't really have a clue... I'm not even sure why you're even a fan... You never have anything positive to say or anything ever good to say about the jags... You're just a troll....so with that being said I'm not surprised You have to make stuff up...

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Forgive me for expecting them to beat the Texans who are the worst team in the NFL…. And that includes the winless Lions.

Lol, you and your unrealistic expectations. I merely wanted to see a game plan that used our best player to benefit our newest one. I guess we were both high at the time.

God I love those recliner coaches... Monday morning quarterbacks.... they know so much about coaching an NFL team or scouting players... yet they work at the local Walmart

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Speaking of making stuff up.

Seems there's quite a bit of NFL experience in the list at the link, the idea that just because the head guy is a clueless newb doesn't mean they are without experience. At least enough to understand who the best player is and how to prepare your team to line up properly on the first play of the year.

https://www.jaguars.com/team/coaches-roster/

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Some of his in game decisions are what annoy me the most.  Let's just say some of them haven't been statistically sound.

By the way, remember you're talking to a Tebow proponent here.

hope you're not talking about me... I'm not a Tebow fan...never have been...and if you are talking about me then you're making [BLEEP] up because I've never mentioned him....and you're upset  because we didn't win our first game with a QB that had literally never played in the NFL with coaches who have never coached in the NFL... like I said completely unrealistic

Wow, what an interesting and unrealistic way to get to an incorrect point.  

Quite ironic.

Then again, I've seen your other posts.

So there's that...

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And this guy thinks he's winning the discussion. He's daft.

C'mon nejagsfan, we've given you repeated examples of how Meyer has screwed up. You don't counter them and you don't offer anything positive he's done to warrant support, you just toss insults and claim to be right without evidence. So please, persuade us with something more than "he's always been a winner" and "he just needs time" and "Progress!", give us something tangible that you can point to as a reason for optimism excluding the TLaw pick that everyone on Earth knew was the right thing to do.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

https://www.nfl.com/news/jaguars-owner-s...rban-meyer

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