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Impressions From the Jets Game
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(12-26-2021, 08:12 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote:(12-26-2021, 08:00 PM)SeldomRite Wrote: No, it would still be a bad pick, and it's unlikely either guy comes back to be 100% from their injury.Just draft another one in the 4th round. Absolutely not. Do not waste a valuable draft pick on a RB. There has already been a ton of talented underclassmen RB's who have declared for the draft. So many in fact, that only about 1/3 of them may get drafted. There will be many good RB's to pick from once the draft ends and we start to sign UDFA's. You don't waste picks on RB's when our O-Line is in such flux. RB's are only as good as their O-Line and currently, our O-Line keeps getting Robinson hurt. Once we figure out the O-Line, then we'll worry about the RB situation. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
(12-27-2021, 02:39 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:(12-26-2021, 08:12 PM)TheDogCatcher Wrote: Just draft another one in the 4th round. If that were the case James Robinson would have never been good. But you're right we do need to focus on the O line and not RB.
(12-27-2021, 04:23 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote:(12-27-2021, 02:39 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: Absolutely not. Do not waste a valuable draft pick on a RB. There has already been a ton of talented underclassmen RB's who have declared for the draft. So many in fact, that only about 1/3 of them may get drafted. There will be many good RB's to pick from once the draft ends and we start to sign UDFA's. You don't waste picks on RB's when our O-Line is in such flux. RB's are only as good as their O-Line and currently, our O-Line keeps getting Robinson hurt. Once we figure out the O-Line, then we'll worry about the RB situation. Imagine how good he could have been with a decent O-Line.
(12-27-2021, 05:06 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:(12-27-2021, 04:23 AM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: If that were the case James Robinson would have never been good. But you're right we do need to focus on the O line and not RB. I agree the O-line needs to be retrenched like KC did with its line. Mahomes had all day to throw against the Steelers. Robinson is a feel good story, but I think he had already peaked before his injury. His speed was never good. I don’t know why he was being played extensively with the team clearly out of the playoffs.
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(12-27-2021, 06:25 AM)TheDogCatcher Wrote:(12-27-2021, 05:06 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: Imagine how good he could have been with a decent O-Line. I've seen you mention this in multiple threads now. Teams just don't bench all of their good players when they're out of the playoff race. Idk where you're getting this from. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
It’s being passed around on Twitter but apparently Marvin scored on 2nd and goal at the end of the game…..
https://twitter.com/e_dilla/status/14754...02882?s=21
(12-27-2021, 10:47 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: It’s being passed around on Twitter but apparently Marvin scored on 2nd and goal at the end of the game….. The NFL did us a favor over the long term, winning that game would have meant nothing except lower draft placement. I saw all I needed to know that Trevor just needs better players and coaching around him and he'll succeed.
(12-27-2021, 11:01 AM)SeldomRite Wrote:(12-27-2021, 10:47 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: It’s being passed around on Twitter but apparently Marvin scored on 2nd and goal at the end of the game….. Absolutely.
(12-26-2021, 05:56 PM)Bullseye Wrote: 3. Sucks to see what happened with James Robinson. Because it happened so late in the year, I could see him missing the first part of next year if it is a torn achilles. Actually, I'm wondering what kind of turf they had up there. Was it the same they had in New Orleans this preseason? Etienne hurt his Lisfranc on a no contact type injury. Thing is, an achilles is one of those injuries that can ruin a guy's career. I hope he fully recovers. Kind of ironic that Robinson would be fully healthy and could have pursued a lavish contract if Urban was still here. Sometimes being in the dog house is a good thing We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (12-26-2021, 05:56 PM)Bullseye Wrote: This was a game I was looking forward to because it was the first matchup between TL and Wilson. Even though the game was meaningless in terms of playoff relevance, it was a game I wanted to win. Thanks for the thoughts, Bullseye. Great insight as usual. (12-26-2021, 06:08 PM)Eric1 Wrote: Both ETN and Robinson will be coming off of injuries that are not favorable for RBs. Will be something to watch going forward. IIRC I did notice that he was still lining up 20-odd yards off the LOS, so maybe it's just a scheme thing for us. One impression I had in this game was that both coaches understood that each team was playing for pride, getting game film, and entertaining fans. Neither team was a world beater, but that game was fun from start to finish. Lots of risk taking throughout, whether it was going for it on multiple first downs, fake kicks, or digging deep in the playbook, I had a great time even if it ended with a loss. (12-26-2021, 07:10 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: In regards to Rudy Ford, he clearly thought Wilson was going out of bounds, so he slowed up in order to not hit him out of bounds and get a 15 yard penalty. Wilson then turned up-field. Mental mistakes are very common with this team. That's a sign of bad coaching. You can wrap up on a guy and not draw a foul. The flags only come if you're launching yourself as a human missile toward an opponent on their way to the sideline or wait until they are well out of bounds before taking them down. Until there's a whistle, treat him as a runner. (12-26-2021, 07:12 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote:(12-26-2021, 07:10 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: In regards to Rudy Ford, he clearly thought Wilson was going out of bounds, so he slowed up in order to not hit him out of bounds and get a 15 yard penalty. Wilson then turned up-field. Mental mistakes are very common with this team. That's a sign of bad coaching. Because, like Pickett in the ACCCG, you fake that play, and some DE lights you up to the point where you forget your name every time someone uses the microwave. If you are known as a player who toughs out a run, or fakes a knee or sideline, the refs may be less likely to blow a play dead and you end up subjected to some bad hits. ZWilson got away with it yesterday. You might debate that once he crosses the LOS, he's a runner, and typical QB protections go out the window, and Ford should have blasted him whether he was running to the boundary or not.
(12-27-2021, 10:47 AM)Cleatwood Wrote: It’s being passed around on Twitter but apparently Marvin scored on 2nd and goal at the end of the game….. It was a score. The win was meaningless, but at least it would have given Trevor the "coming out" drive he deserved, and we don't have to listen to how Wilson supposedly outdueled him yesterday (12-26-2021, 07:27 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote:(12-26-2021, 07:12 PM)ChrisJagBoy Wrote: Wait.. You're supposed to take DE first then QB. Garret-Mayfield I'd argue that defenders should be looking at what they are about to hit. Late slide or not, if you are launching yourself at a player likely to initiate a slide, or to tuck to absorb contact, you're going to get flagged for late hit or helmet to helmet hit. I don't think many QB are happy to take a 15 yard flag in exchange for the hits they usually take to get there. If any of them are deploying that strategy to achieve their success, their career won't last long or they won't remember it soon after they retire. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
That pass to Jones should have been a pick 6. No reason to claim victory for that terrible throw
(12-26-2021, 07:39 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:(12-26-2021, 06:55 PM)Upper Wrote: To expand, that would be 4th round rookie that many of us wanted Michael Carter Jr. If we didn't have the Meyer tire fire going on we might have wound up with him and not blown a 1st rounder on a RB. I can't see how you can say that after we just gave up over 100 yards to a guy taken 3 rounds later. I don't like having to potentially end a young player's career to justify the selection of another player at the same position. (12-26-2021, 08:20 PM)The_Franchise_QB Wrote: Chaisson pulled up very early during Wilson’s run as well. He should of been benched for that. He brings nothing to this team. ....he attempted to chop the ball out at the 3-ish yard line, so at least he remained in pursuit? There were a number of guys that got clowned on that run. (12-26-2021, 09:05 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:(12-26-2021, 08:57 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: So you can’t answer my question can you? Probably because you know that it would take hundreds of picks before the first RB is taken. I'd also venture that there's a lot bigger gap from most of the top 5-ish pick RB and the 20-32 pick RBs. Flop rate likely to be way higher for those later picks. I'm not looking for Etienne to be LT, Faulk, Fred Taylor, or any of the best all-around RB you could name. But, when guys like Aaron Jones, Alvin Kamara, and such are doing just as well as the top pick guys, I'm going to have a hard time justifying taking anyone with premium picks.
(12-27-2021, 12:14 PM)Holger Wrote: That pass to Jones should have been a pick 6. No reason to claim victory for that terrible throw Should have, would have only counts in hand grenades. How did the ball end up in Jones hands? Not because of a dropped "tip" by the defender, but Trevor zipped it in there. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
(12-27-2021, 12:35 PM)SamusAranX Wrote:(12-27-2021, 12:14 PM)Holger Wrote: That pass to Jones should have been a pick 6. No reason to claim victory for that terrible throw It is funny. A QB with a lesser arm either gets it picked, or maybe doesn't try the pass. When Aaron Rodgers throws a pass that goes right through someone else's arms for a TD does everyone discount it, or is it just that Aaron Rodgers has a great arm and fit it in? (12-26-2021, 09:28 PM)Jag88 Wrote:(12-26-2021, 08:27 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: It will always be a bad pick no matter how ETN turns out. I think the argument is more that the position of the selection is what makes the pick poop. The argument "If he turns out to be Kamara, it's a good pick" is flawed because Kamara wasn't taken anywhere near the first round. If he turns out to be Kamara, we spent a first rounder on fourth-round talent! It's the same argument why Fournette at four was a bad pick, why Bryan Anger in the third was a bad pick, and so many other examples argued here over the years. What if JRob was our Kamara? Did the Saints bother wasting another pick on an RB just because their current RB wasn't a first rounder? Of course not. We had so many other holes to fill that throwing a premium pick at a role player wasn't necessary. The guy is going to HAVE to be on the level of the league's elite RB to make it seem worth the value we gave up to get him. (12-26-2021, 09:32 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote:(12-26-2021, 08:57 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: So you can’t answer my question can you? Probably because you know that it would take hundreds of picks before the first RB is taken. but most of those guys went in the second and third rounds, excepting of course Elliott (4), Harris(24). I looked it up, too. Here's the draft selection, in order for the top rushers: 41, 48, 35, 41, 24, 45, 4, 66, 87, 35. So 8 of 10 of the top rushers went after where Etienne was picked. We robbed ourselves of value when we made that pick. For the sake of our team's future the hope has to be that he recovers and can play at high level for many years. Because, as we can see, we gave up much to bring him on board. If he does not return to form, it will have set us back not only for having to replace his spot, but in the other players we passed on to make his selection. |
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