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Head Coach Candidates (Merged Threads)


(01-30-2022, 08:44 PM)Upper Wrote: I don't think they were sitting on their hands, I think they were redoubling back through their rolodex praying that they could find new candidates who might not recoil the second they are told that they are going to have the most hated man in the league forced upon them if they take the job.

Baalke was able to go back to his worst season in SF and find that there was a dude with the literal job of 'special projects support staff' named Kevin O'Connell who is now a semi hot up and coming coach. That is how deep into their pockets they are having to go to find someone who might have a history of working with Baalke and not hating him. And we don't even know that he doesn't hate him.

Meh.

Pure speculation.

It could just as easily be 7 other things keeping them from making an announcement that might include Baalke and might not.

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(01-30-2022, 06:09 PM)rfc17 Wrote: Maybe some naivete on my part but still feels like we'll get Leftwich and Wilson to me.  If things were over with Leftwich I would think we'd hear news of talking to other teams if not officially interviewing with them.  (sure you can say he would just go back to TB and become head coach in waiting but that's no guarantee long term).  I would think if there are teams that are interested now, you never know when you'll get another chance to get a head coaching job.  It's very likely the Khans never considered Adrian Wilson until Leftwich made demands.  I'm sure doing the due diligence on him took time.  I find it odd that the guy who works for the cardinals would tweet it and then come on local Jax radio saying it's a done deal.  And if things have fallen though, I find it odd there has been no news whatsoever that that is the case.  It's possible Khan had second thoughts and it's possible everyone has agreed to prevent any and all leaks.  But I'm not sure why Leftwich's team would have any reason to keep that a secret though.  And while I know we are all impatiently waiting, I'm not sure no news is necessarily bad news.  The only thing we've really heard since thursday afternoon is that tweet earlier today about O'Connell.  But that could easily be misinfo coming from any number of parties for any number of reasons.  There could be any number of legitimate reasons why things are taking some time. 

I don't know.  Maybe Shad really is blowing this.  Maybe he does have a weird allegiance to Baalke who is fighting tooth and nail to keep his job.  I'm just surprised that if the Leftwich thing was over we wouldn't have heard that.

I hope you are right, but I don't feel that way.  Leftwich not interviewing elsewhere doesn't seem significant to me.  There was 8 other openings.  4 of them have already been filled.  3 of them never gave Byron a first interview, so it's unlikely that they that they would at this late stage.  That leaves the Saints who actually have asked permission to interview Leftwich.  Having a late start, I don't believe they have scheduled interviews with anyone yet.  We also don't know whether Leftwich would want the Saints job.  I wouldn't.  They are in complete and total salary cap hell.  He would be better off staying in Tampa for another year.

In regards to Adrian Wilson, I find it concerning that the Jaguars have not requested permission to interview him.  They are doing due diligence but no interview?  There's also not even a hint that they've reached out to interview any other GM candidate which would be required under the Rooney rule.  Given this, I don't understand how anyone thinks Wilson could be announced tomorrow as the new GM.  Best case scenario is that they announce Leftwich and say that he has been given permission to pick the next GM.  It's not impossible, but I think that is wishful thinking.  The Jaguars seeking permission to interview Kevin O'Connell suggests that they are still searching. 


(01-30-2022, 08:23 PM)Cleatwood Wrote:
(01-30-2022, 08:17 PM)Firesky Wrote: I wouldn't say it means its right but I don't think that means its "wrong" per se. Especially because Khan stated upfront that this would be a long process. The lack of verifiable information is maddening. But I'd rather this odd holding period than to have committed to the wrong coach and know that it's going to be another 3-4 years of misery based on the certainty.
But they’re not interviewing anyone.

If they were still “searching”, why aren’t there interviews happening right now?

They have requested permission to interview Kevin O'Connell.  I think Byron was their first choice, but didn't anticipate him making an ultimatum over the GM.    Eberflus and Hackett were Plan B and Plan C, but both of them got hired by other teams.  I don't think they had a Plan D, so they had to go back to the drawing board and have been spending their time trying to figure out who to interview next.


(01-30-2022, 09:57 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote:
(01-30-2022, 08:23 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: But they’re not interviewing anyone.

If they were still “searching”, why aren’t there interviews happening right now?

They have requested permission to interview Kevin O'Connell.  I think Byron was their first choice, but didn't anticipate him making an ultimatum over the GM.    Eberflus and Hackett were Plan B and Plan C, but both of them got hired by other teams.  I don't think they had a Plan D, so they had to go back to the drawing board and have been spending their time trying to figure out who to interview next.
With as much time as we've had to make this decision, this is a slap in the face to the fans. It has been apparent since the beginning we have been confused. Once Meyer was fired, Bevell was made interim and that's was go. You sort your choices and at the least have a top 5 of current NFL coaches and a few unemployed ones at best. There is no excuse for this atrocity. The GM is prob staying to save face at this point without a hire being announced senior bowl week.

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(01-30-2022, 10:10 PM)JagsFansince1995 Wrote:
(01-30-2022, 09:57 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: They have requested permission to interview Kevin O'Connell.  I think Byron was their first choice, but didn't anticipate him making an ultimatum over the GM.    Eberflus and Hackett were Plan B and Plan C, but both of them got hired by other teams.  I don't think they had a Plan D, so they had to go back to the drawing board and have been spending their time trying to figure out who to interview next.
With as much time as we've had to make this decision, this is a slap in the face to the fans.  It has been apparent since the beginning we have been confused.  Once Meyer was fired, Bevell was made interim and that's was go.  You sort your choices and at the least have a top 5 of current NFL coaches and a few unemployed ones at best.  There is no excuse for this atrocity.  The GM is prob staying to save face at this point without a hire being announced senior bowl week. 

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Khan didn't expect that candidates would refuse because of Baalke, they were proceeding like everything was fine there. Now it's probably too late to make the change and we're going to have another Meyer-like catastrophe on our hands.
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If a decision is made soon, fine no problem with due process.

If they are starting over, speaks volumes on the Dysfunction of the team.
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Bevel and Baalke in 2022. Book it.


(01-30-2022, 10:24 PM)navyjagfan Wrote: Bevel and Baalke in 2022.  Book it.

Wouldn't be surprising at this point.
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(01-30-2022, 10:27 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(01-30-2022, 10:24 PM)navyjagfan Wrote: Bevel and Baalke in 2022.  Book it.

Wouldn't be surprising at this point.

If I am Bevel, i stay away from this team.
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(01-30-2022, 10:24 PM)navyjagfan Wrote: Bevel and Baalke in 2022.  Book it.

I can see this happening.  But the sickening part would be when Khan comes out saying “after a long process, we feel we that we found the right guy… blah blah”


(01-30-2022, 10:29 PM)MoJagFan Wrote:
(01-30-2022, 10:27 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Wouldn't be surprising at this point.

If I am Bevel, i stay away from this team.
When else is he getting a HC job? He hasn't gotten one yet and he knows he won't get another shot. Who is even going to want to hire him as a OC? The game is passing him by.

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Well, can we cross O’Connell off the list since they can’t interview him until after the SB? Whose next?

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(01-30-2022, 10:37 PM)Jags Wrote: Well, can we cross O’Connell off the list since they can’t interview him until after the SB? Whose next?
Nope Khan will say we got to wait for him, we wouldn't want to not interview someone he just heard about in the last 2 days after having what 8 or so interviews already.

Haha watch the Jags go through FA and Draft while Khan is still making a decision.

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(01-30-2022, 09:48 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote: In regards to Adrian Wilson, I find it concerning that the Jaguars have not requested permission to interview him.  They are doing due diligence but no interview?  There's also not even a hint that they've reached out to interview any other GM candidate which would be required under the Rooney rule.  Given this, I don't understand how anyone thinks Wilson could be announced tomorrow as the new GM.  Best case scenario is that they announce Leftwich and say that he has been given permission to pick the next GM.  It's not impossible, but I think that is wishful thinking.  The Jaguars seeking permission to interview Kevin O'Connell suggests that they are still searching. 

How do we know they haven't requested permission to interview him?  Because on the Pat McAfee show Rappaport reported a rumor he heard?  Seems completely at odds with the guy who works for the Cardinals saying Wilson got the job.  Clearly one of the two is completely wrong but who should we believe more?  Maybe neither is "wrong" per se but one of them is just being used to drive a narrative and create negotiating leverage.  There obviously isn't a right answer as there isn't a way any of us could know.  

While I agree it is odd that we haven't heard about them reaching out to another minority to comply with the rooney rule.  But I also find it odd we haven't heard anything about us moving on from Leftwich whether it be from our camp or his.  Clearly the only thing we know for sure is they have finally done a great job of preventing leaks from escaping.


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(01-30-2022, 10:40 PM)p_rushing Wrote:
(01-30-2022, 10:37 PM)Jags Wrote: Well, can we cross O’Connell off the list since they can’t interview him until after the SB? Whose next?
Nope Khan will say we got to wait for him

He's got 2nd interviews lined up with the Vikings, Texans, and Dolphins. It is believed he is the favorite for the Vikings if Harbaugh winds up in Miami. Regardless, I don't think he's gonna be around for our 1st interview in 2 weeks.


(01-30-2022, 10:16 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote:
(01-30-2022, 10:10 PM)JagsFansince1995 Wrote: With as much time as we've had to make this decision, this is a slap in the face to the fans.  It has been apparent since the beginning we have been confused.  Once Meyer was fired, Bevell was made interim and that's was go.  You sort your choices and at the least have a top 5 of current NFL coaches and a few unemployed ones at best.  There is no excuse for this atrocity.  The GM is prob staying to save face at this point without a hire being announced senior bowl week. 

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Khan didn't expect that candidates would refuse because of Baalke, they were proceeding like everything was fine there. Now it's probably too late to make the change and we're going to have another Meyer-like catastrophe on our hands.

You can't tell me a business man such as Khan was this foolish. You don't need to know football to know a snake when you see one. If he really is THAT stupid, I wanna know who really made him his billions...


(01-30-2022, 10:54 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote:
(01-30-2022, 10:16 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Khan didn't expect that candidates would refuse because of Baalke, they were proceeding like everything was fine there. Now it's probably too late to make the change and we're going to have another Meyer-like catastrophe on our hands.

You can't tell me a business man such as Khan was this foolish. You don't need to know football to know a snake when you see one. If he really is THAT stupid, I wanna know who really made him his billions...

Khan doesn't care if the team wins or loses, he's only concerned about making money and from that aspect, the Jaguars have made him even richer than he already was.  

If Khan cared about the Jaguars success, he wouldn't keep making the same foolish mistakes time and again.

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(01-30-2022, 10:54 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote:
(01-30-2022, 10:16 PM)flsprtsgod Wrote: Khan didn't expect that candidates would refuse because of Baalke, they were proceeding like everything was fine there. Now it's probably too late to make the change and we're going to have another Meyer-like catastrophe on our hands.

You can't tell me a business man such as Khan was this foolish. You don't need to know football to know a snake when you see one. If he really is THAT stupid, I wanna know who really made him his billions...

You think he knew it? He isn't paying attention to the intricacies of NFL politics. Here's a paparazzi shot of Baalke and Khan:

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(01-30-2022, 10:57 PM)navyjagfan Wrote:
(01-30-2022, 10:54 PM)JagsFanSince95 Wrote: You can't tell me a business man such as Khan was this foolish. You don't need to know football to know a snake when you see one. If he really is THAT stupid, I wanna know who really made him his billions...

Khan doesn't care if the team wins or loses, he's only concerned about making money and from that aspect, the Jaguars have made him even richer than he already was.  

If Khan cared about the Jaguars success, he wouldn't keep making the same foolish mistakes time and again.

I think Mark Long summarized it pretty well on the Bold Take Pod a month or two ago. Shad doesn't know football very well and isn't well connected with the other owners or even many good football minds. He had no clue that Baalke's reputation was as bad as it is, and he was shocked when he learned that the entirety of the sport hates him.

The real question is now that Shad finally knows that literally every owner, front office worker, coach, player, agent, and fan hates Baalke why he is still stubbornly standing by him.


(01-30-2022, 11:06 PM)Upper Wrote:
(01-30-2022, 10:57 PM)navyjagfan Wrote: Khan doesn't care if the team wins or loses, he's only concerned about making money and from that aspect, the Jaguars have made him even richer than he already was.  

If Khan cared about the Jaguars success, he wouldn't keep making the same foolish mistakes time and again.

I think Mark Long summarized it pretty well on the Bold Take Pod a month or two ago. Shad doesn't know football very well and isn't well connected with the other owners or even many good football minds. He had no clue that Baalke's reputation was as bad as it is, and he was shocked when he learned that the entirety of the sport hates him.

The real question is now that Shad finally knows that literally every owner, front office worker, coach, player, agent, and fan hates Baalke why he is still stubbornly standing by him.
Because nobody was looking out for him. So, his pride and ego will now not allow him to accept this universally accepted idea and belief about Baalke.

And so castles made of sand, fall in the sea, eventually.

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