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To this point, I have no problem with the new staff. Now let's see how it works out. Pederson is doing his part, now he needs the front office to supply him with good players. That is where we might run into a problem, especially since Khan is dragging his feet about hiring new people. They need to be in place at the very least, before the Combine to get a gage on the draft. If Baalke has final say on who we draft, we'll fall another year behind. Pederson can only do so much with what he is given. A chef can't make good food, if he is given bad ingredients.
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(This post was last modified: 02-18-2022, 09:18 AM by Mikey.)

(02-17-2022, 08:54 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote:
(02-17-2022, 04:38 PM)Mikey Wrote: @a good receivers coach should be able to make a crap QB look good@

Exactly.  The only reason Tom Brady turned out to be above average is because New England had a really great WRs Coach (the GOAT of WR coaches)

This tracks, since he was nowhere near that good as a Wolverine.

(02-17-2022, 09:00 PM)Upper Wrote:
(02-17-2022, 07:49 PM)RicoTx Wrote: So we're going to blame an 8-year veteran's performance on the ASSISTANT wide receiver coach.  Come on now, that's an enormous stretch.

And Mooney's yards are absolutely indicative of poor quarterback play.

If you want to 'blame' Miller's production on him, that's fine.  But there's also a possibility that he just isn't very good.

I didn't say whether it was a good or bad hire, no one here knows how good any assistant positional coach is. It just struck me as odd that out of all the teams you would expect us to get our WR coach from the Bears would have been one of the last places I'd have thought.

...think the Vikes thought the same about McCardell? After all, we've been hot buttered backside for a decade plus, can't possibly be anyone worth a darn on staff.

(02-17-2022, 09:20 PM)Jag149 Wrote:
(02-17-2022, 08:54 PM)HURRICANE!!! Wrote: Exactly.  The only reason Tom Brady turned out to be above average is because New England had a really great WRs Coach (the GOAT of WR coaches

I don't buy that. A coach can be an influencing factor but not THE reason. I am assuming you are talking about Chad O'Shea ? He was only there from 2009 till 2017.

hook, line and sinker!
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(02-17-2022, 11:42 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: To this point, I have no problem with the new staff. Now let's see how it works out. Pederson is doing his part, now he needs the front office to supply him with good players. That is where we might run into a problem, especially since Khan is dragging his feet about hiring new people. They need to be in place at the very least, before the Combine to get a gage on the draft. If Baalke has final say on who we draft, we'll fall another year behind. Pederson can only do so much with what he is given. A chef can't make good food, if he is given bad ingredients.

I agree, here in Jacksonville we may not recognize a HC that is organized and doing what is needed.  After all it has been years since we have had one. As for the front office I can only hope our new HC can influence them enough to improve their performance. This is a team sport. That includes the coaching staff and front office.
A new broom always sweeps clean.
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(02-17-2022, 11:42 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: To this point, I have no problem with the new staff. Now let's see how it works out. Pederson is doing his part, now he needs the front office to supply him with good players. That is where we might run into a problem, especially since Khan is dragging his feet about hiring new people. They need to be in place at the very least, before the Combine to get a gage on the draft. If Baalke has final say on who we draft, we'll fall another year behind. Pederson can only do so much with what he is given. A chef can't make good food, if he is given bad ingredients.

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(02-17-2022, 11:42 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: To this point, I have no problem with the new staff. Now let's see how it works out. Pederson is doing his part, now he needs the front office to supply him with good players. That is where we might run into a problem, especially since Khan is dragging his feet about hiring new people. They need to be in place at the very least, before the Combine to get a gage on the draft. If Baalke has final say on who we draft, we'll fall another year behind. Pederson can only do so much with what he is given. A chef can't make good food, if he is given bad ingredients.

Mr. Khan is dragging his feet on hiring? I disagree. The entire coaching staff is in place prior to the combine let alone the 2022 NFL Draft. Also MOST GMs has joint say so w/respect to their final roster. 

NH3...
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(02-18-2022, 09:13 PM)NH3 Wrote:
(02-17-2022, 11:42 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: To this point, I have no problem with the new staff. Now let's see how it works out. Pederson is doing his part, now he needs the front office to supply him with good players. That is where we might run into a problem, especially since Khan is dragging his feet about hiring new people. They need to be in place at the very least, before the Combine to get a gage on the draft. If Baalke has final say on who we draft, we'll fall another year behind. Pederson can only do so much with what he is given. A chef can't make good food, if he is given bad ingredients.

Mr. Khan is dragging his feet on hiring? I disagree. The entire coaching staff is in place prior to the combine let alone the 2022 NFL Draft. Also MOST GMs has joint say so w/respect to their final roster. 

NH3...

Where are the new additions to the front office we were promised? As far as the coaching staff, Khan had no say in that. Pederson was the one who put the staff together. He picked multiple coaches and had them in place and we're still waiting on Khan to pick one single EVP. Khan is definitely dragging his feet. Get someone in there to hold Baalke in check. If not, Baalke is gonna have final say on free agents and draft picks and I certainly don't want that. Look what he did to San Francisco, when he had final say. Having an EVP in place should make it a group decision between the EVP, Baalke and Pederson. That would make me and a legion of other Jags' fans feel a whole lot better.
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(02-18-2022, 09:20 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(02-18-2022, 09:13 PM)NH3 Wrote: Mr. Khan is dragging his feet on hiring? I disagree. The entire coaching staff is in place prior to the combine let alone the 2022 NFL Draft. Also MOST GMs has joint say so w/respect to their final roster. 

NH3...

Where are the new additions to the front office we were promised? As far as the coaching staff, Khan had no say in that. Pederson was the one who put the staff together. He picked multiple coaches and had them in place and we're still waiting on Khan to pick one single EVP. Khan is definitely dragging his feet. Get someone in there to hold Baalke in check. If not, Baalke is gonna have final say on free agents and draft picks and I certainly don't want that. Look what he did to San Francisco, when he had final say. Having an EVP in place should make it a group decision between the EVP, Baalke and Pederson. That would make me and a legion of other Jags' fans feel a whole lot better.

O.K. I now see the point that you're adhering to. "Fire Baalke". We'll leave it at that.

NH3...
"AZANE"
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(02-19-2022, 06:47 AM)NNH3 Wrote:
(02-18-2022, 09:20 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: Where are the new additions to the front office we were promised? As far as the coaching staff, Khan had no say in that. Pederson was the one who put the staff together. He picked multiple coaches and had them in place and we're still waiting on Khan to pick one single EVP. Khan is definitely dragging his feet. Get someone in there to hold Baalke in check. If not, Baalke is gonna have final say on free agents and draft picks and I certainly don't want that. Look what he did to San Francisco, when he had final say. Having an EVP in place should make it a group decision between the EVP, Baalke and Pederson. That would make me and a legion of other Jags' fans feel a whole lot better.

O.K. I now see the point that you're adhering to. "Fire Baalke". We'll leave it at that.

NH3...
Exactly, even though Baalke has actually done pretty well with the Jags.
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(02-19-2022, 03:15 PM)JaggedSioux Wrote:
(02-19-2022, 06:47 AM)NNH3 Wrote: O.K. I now see the point that you're adhering to. "Fire Baalke". We'll leave it at that.

NH3...
Exactly, even though Baalke has actually done pretty well with the Jags.

4-29 isn't what I'd call doing well by any measure. He was director of player personnel before he was General Manager.
I was wrong about Trent Baalke. 
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(02-19-2022, 03:18 PM)The Eleventh Doctor Wrote:
(02-19-2022, 03:15 PM)JaggedSioux Wrote: Exactly, even though Baalke has actually done pretty well with the Jags.

4-29 isn't what I'd call doing well by any measure. He was director of player personnel before he was General Manager.
Wasn't there another GM in place that first year? Baalke wasn't named GM until Nov. of '21
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(02-19-2022, 03:15 PM)JaggedSioux Wrote:
(02-19-2022, 06:47 AM)NNH3 Wrote: O.K. I now see the point that you're adhering to. "Fire Baalke". We'll leave it at that.

NH3...
Exactly, even though Baalke has actually done pretty well with the Jags.

He had the spending power to hit a home run in free agency last year and he laid down a bunt. 

He should have done more to protect Trevor and afforded him more at TE and WR. 
The ILB corps was yet another lackluster effort by Baalke -  and he drafted a zone style CB with an early pick for a coordinator that intended to play mostly man and had to alter his scheme to make it work. 

The sum total of what he did well is as follows:
He did some good things overall for the secondary with Campbell, Griffin and Cisco, he landed a good return specialist, and he got a serviceable year out of an aging Marvin Jones.  That's it. 

Trevor was a no-brainer 
Little was a roll of the dice
Etienne was a horrible decision - probably a good player in the end- but idiotic drafting
Luke Farrell sucks, 
Tufele showed nothing promising,
 Jordan Smith couldn't even make the rotation to spell Smoot or Allen, 
and then there's the long list of FA busts like RRH, Jihad Ward, Jenkins, Dorsett, Hyde, Manhertz, and on and on...

If that's "doing pretty well" in year one of a rebuild with tons of draft capital and a boatload of cap space, then your expectations are insanely low.
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(02-19-2022, 05:00 PM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(02-19-2022, 03:15 PM)JaggedSioux Wrote: Exactly, even though Baalke has actually done pretty well with the Jags.

He had the spending power to hit a home run in free agency last year and he laid down a bunt. 

He should have done more to protect Trevor and afforded him more at TE and WR. 
The ILB corps was yet another lackluster effort by Baalke -  and he drafted a zone style CB with an early pick for a coordinator that intended to play mostly man and had to alter his scheme to make it work. 

The sum total of what he did well is as follows:
He did some good things overall for the secondary with Campbell, Griffin and Cisco, he landed a good return specialist, and he got a serviceable year out of an aging Marvin Jones.  That's it. 

Trevor was a no-brainer 
Little was a roll of the dice
Etienne was a horrible decision - probably a good player in the end- but idiotic drafting
Luke Farrell sucks, 
Tufele showed nothing promising,
 Jordan Smith couldn't even make the rotation to spell Smoot or Allen, 
and then there's the long list of FA busts like RRH, Jihad Ward, Jenkins, Dorsett, Hyde, Manhertz, and on and on...

If that's "doing pretty well" in year one of a rebuild with tons of draft capital and a boatload of cap space, then your expectations are insanely low.
Was Treadwell this year or last? I liked the Griffin pick-up. Arnold? He was pretty good until he got hurt. I look for Etienne to be a superstar. Little could be solid for many years.
Collaboration with Pederson should make for an even better offseason.
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(02-19-2022, 04:57 PM)JaggedSioux Wrote:
(02-19-2022, 03:18 PM)The Eleventh Doctor Wrote: 4-29 isn't what I'd call doing well by any measure. He was director of player personnel before he was General Manager.
Wasn't there another GM in place that first year? Baalke wasn't named GM until Nov. of '21

I mean he was still director of player personnel. Baalke is on track to be worse than Caldwell ever was really.
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(02-19-2022, 07:42 PM)JaggedSioux Wrote:
(02-19-2022, 05:00 PM)NYC4jags Wrote: He had the spending power to hit a home run in free agency last year and he laid down a bunt. 

He should have done more to protect Trevor and afforded him more at TE and WR. 
The ILB corps was yet another lackluster effort by Baalke -  and he drafted a zone style CB with an early pick for a coordinator that intended to play mostly man and had to alter his scheme to make it work. 

The sum total of what he did well is as follows:
He did some good things overall for the secondary with Campbell, Griffin and Cisco, he landed a good return specialist, and he got a serviceable year out of an aging Marvin Jones.  That's it. 

Trevor was a no-brainer 
Little was a roll of the dice
Etienne was a horrible decision - probably a good player in the end- but idiotic drafting
Luke Farrell sucks, 
Tufele showed nothing promising,
 Jordan Smith couldn't even make the rotation to spell Smoot or Allen, 
and then there's the long list of FA busts like RRH, Jihad Ward, Jenkins, Dorsett, Hyde, Manhertz, and on and on...

If that's "doing pretty well" in year one of a rebuild with tons of draft capital and a boatload of cap space, then your expectations are insanely low.
Was Treadwell this year or last? I liked the Griffin pick-up. Arnold? He was pretty good until he got hurt. I look for Etienne to be a superstar. Little could be solid for many years.
Collaboration with Pederson should make for an even better offseason.

Treadwell was a desperation signing due to injury 
Not much to hang your hat on

Arnold could have been had for next to nothing in the offseason but Baalke was too busy trading away a capable 3rd round TE inexplicably in order to make room for tim frikkin tebow

Instead of adding Arnold for near vet minimum in March of 2021 when he was readily available - he was forced to spend a trade to get a TE with decent hands midseason because he failed so horribly to outfit the position group properly in the offseason 

Arnold is a badge of incompetence, not the other way around
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Speaking of Treadwell, I really hope we resign him to a 1 year deal. Him and Trev had a nice connection. He's always had the talent it's just finally showing on the field. He looks like a 1000 yard receiver and likely would of been last year if we signed him before the season started
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(02-19-2022, 08:16 PM)Kane Wrote:
(02-19-2022, 04:57 PM)JaggedSioux Wrote: Wasn't there another GM in place that first year? Baalke wasn't named GM until Nov. of '21

I mean he was still director of player personnel. Baalke is on track to be worse than Caldwell ever was really.

I see you've completely wiped Gene Smith from your memory.
Wish I could be so fortunate.
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(02-20-2022, 03:18 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Speaking of Treadwell, I really hope we resign him to a 1 year deal.  Him and Trev had a nice connection. He's always had the talent it's just finally showing on the field.  He looks like a 1000 yard receiver and likely would of been last year if we signed him before the season started

This feels a lot like your past predictions on Taven Bryan and Keelan Cole breaking out. 

It will be interesting to see if the Jags attempt to keep him or not. He's a good reserve IMO.  Wouldn't want to count on him as a starter. Maybe fit him in a package or two. 

1000 yard guy?  
If we're in a position where we need 1000 yards from L Treadwell - we messed up in the offseason again or we had a number of injuries at receiver.
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Every time I see "Pedersen's Staff", I giggle on the inside a bit... Beavis and Butthead style.
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(02-21-2022, 10:08 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:
(02-20-2022, 03:18 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Speaking of Treadwell, I really hope we resign him to a 1 year deal.  Him and Trev had a nice connection. He's always had the talent it's just finally showing on the field.  He looks like a 1000 yard receiver and likely would of been last year if we signed him before the season started

This feels a lot like your past predictions on Taven Bryan and Keelan Cole breaking out. 

It will be interesting to see if the Jags attempt to keep him or not. He's a good reserve IMO.  Wouldn't want to count on him as a starter. Maybe fit him in a package or two. 

1000 yard guy?  
If we're in a position where we need 1000 yards from L Treadwell - we messed up in the offseason again or we had a number of injuries at receiver.

Agreed.
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Lol yeah seriously, if Treadwell and Agnew are doing anything significant for us on offense it means we are well on our way to our third straight 1st overall pick.
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