Yeah I don’t think drafting a running back in the first round is a good idea unless they are a once a generation back. However, I’m still hopefully regarding what Etienne can be.

I'm not saying we should draft one in the first round.  I was just making a point.  There are some great coaches who value the position enough to take one even as high as the first round.  

No, what I am saying is, it's stupid to say we shouldn't even spend a 4th round pick on one.

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Yeah I don’t think drafting a running back in the first round is a good idea unless they are a once a generation back. However, I’m still hopefully regarding what Etienne can be.

I'm not saying we should draft one in the first round.  I was just making a point.  There are some great coaches who value the position enough to take one even as high as the first round.  

No, what I am saying is, it's stupid to say we shouldn't even spend a 4th round pick on one.

That's your opinion and you're entitled to such. Mine is that you don't spend draft picks on guys that are practically interchangeable with street free agents and are only useful for a few seasons.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I don't know that anyone could say that with any confidence, given Urbz' apprehension to play any freshmen rookies early on.

I agree that Little's evaluation is incomplete; in spite of that, I can't tag a guy who might be good enough to outplay him at the spot. And if this competition drags into preseason, you have to play someone at RT - you're either playing the other competitor, Taylor, or paid someone else to come in and fill the spot. Flip-flopping guys is going to skew the evaluation (either one is blocking second stringers, not as fresh as the guy who started the game at the spot), or the inconsistency proves detrimental to evaluating the other players on the field. If TLaw is getting hammered by a turnstile holding down RT while the LT competition settles itself, you're doing a disservice to the rest of the team.

We criticize our owner for being indecisive or at the very least passive in his decision-making, but advocate that the head coach take this same approach? Evaluate, decide, and move forward.

I can easily tag Robinson knowing that this year's draft class at OT is nothing short of a "crapfest", anticipating that we're probably not gonna get any premier FA O-Linemen and knowing that we have a ton of cap money. You make the moves that give you the best chance to win and I truly believe tagging Robinson and having him compete with Little, gives us the best chance to have a decent OT duo. Is it perfect? Of course not, but given the alternative, at least we are replacing Taylor with a significant upgrade no matter which player moves to RT. This doesn't deter us from looking for another OT in the middle rounds of the draft. We still do that, but it doesn't paint us into a corner where we have to start that unproven rookie right away. 

Lawrence is already getting hammered by a turnstile at RT and his name is Jawaan Taylor. This is what I'm trying to upgrade. 

No, you're advocating rushing the process with no evaluation what so ever. You'd be basing things off of a very small sample size of what Little did in relief last season and the poor coaching these O-Linemen have had for years under Warhop. To me, that's crazy! The season just ended a week ago and and you're ready to make decisions for next year before any moves have been made, players have been drafted or our current players have even gotten a chance to have one practice with the new staff. There is a huge difference between taking camp and preseason to evaluate OT's and the owner dragging his feet on hiring an EVP when the Combine, free agency and draft are only weeks away. It's not even in the same area code.

This is hyperbole.

From one of my earlier posts that you even quoted:

Doug has plenty of time now to watch game film to evaluate whether either guy has what he wants to play at LT next year. He even has some footage of Little at RT to know what to expect if he shuffles the lineup.

I'm advocating for the coaches to review film on who we got, weigh the options on who we can get, and make a choice. If the decision is that Little is not good enough to play LT, you gotta find an LT, whether that be by retagging Cam, tendering a different FA, or pursuing the darft. If that's the choice you make, that means either Little rolls to RT, stays a backup, or is on the trade block.

If you think Little is good enough to handle LT, do you pay Cam a fortune to serve a one-year stint as your disgruntled RT? Are there other options that may be as good, but more affordable, or more beneficial? I agree that moving on from Taylor as a starter is extremely high priority this offseason. And we're all well aware that you think Taylor and this year's darft class are both cold turds, it's been posted ad nauseam. If the team decides to fix RT (or LT, for that matter) through any means other than doubling up on Cam's tag, I ain't gonna head to the Modis.

This is my point - by the time Cam's tender is due, we should be able to say thumbs up or thumbs down on Little at LT. If you can't, you've wasted a month, and the indecision is going to impact your FA period, your darft, your practice sessions, everything until you get that situation resolved.

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I think etienne will come good

Hopefully next season can be huge for him

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I think etienne will come good

Hopefully next season can be huge for him

Me too, would be great if he can make a comeback.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

If Little couldn’t do enough to win a job over either of our offensive tackles last season, that’s bad news. He might end up being a swing backup or guard.

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If Little couldn’t do enough to win a job over either of our offensive tackles last season, that’s bad news. He might end up being a swing backup or guard.

You shouldn't give any credence to the roster or performance from last year. that cluster was enough to break anyone. Even so, he played pretty good when we actually got to see him.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

I can easily tag Robinson knowing that this year's draft class at OT is nothing short of a "crapfest", anticipating that we're probably not gonna get any premier FA O-Linemen and knowing that we have a ton of cap money. You make the moves that give you the best chance to win and I truly believe tagging Robinson and having him compete with Little, gives us the best chance to have a decent OT duo. Is it perfect? Of course not, but given the alternative, at least we are replacing Taylor with a significant upgrade no matter which player moves to RT. This doesn't deter us from looking for another OT in the middle rounds of the draft. We still do that, but it doesn't paint us into a corner where we have to start that unproven rookie right away. 

Lawrence is already getting hammered by a turnstile at RT and his name is Jawaan Taylor. This is what I'm trying to upgrade. 

No, you're advocating rushing the process with no evaluation what so ever. You'd be basing things off of a very small sample size of what Little did in relief last season and the poor coaching these O-Linemen have had for years under Warhop. To me, that's crazy! The season just ended a week ago and and you're ready to make decisions for next year before any moves have been made, players have been drafted or our current players have even gotten a chance to have one practice with the new staff. There is a huge difference between taking camp and preseason to evaluate OT's and the owner dragging his feet on hiring an EVP when the Combine, free agency and draft are only weeks away. It's not even in the same area code.

This is hyperbole.

From one of my earlier posts that you even quoted:

Doug has plenty of time now to watch game film to evaluate whether either guy has what he wants to play at LT next year. He even has some footage of Little at RT to know what to expect if he shuffles the lineup.

I'm advocating for the coaches to review film on who we got, weigh the options on who we can get, and make a choice. If the decision is that Little is not good enough to play LT, you gotta find an LT, whether that be by retagging Cam, tendering a different FA, or pursuing the darft. If that's the choice you make, that means either Little rolls to RT, stays a backup, or is on the trade block.

If you think Little is good enough to handle LT, do you pay Cam a fortune to serve a one-year stint as your disgruntled RT? Are there other options that may be as good, but more affordable, or more beneficial? I agree that moving on from Taylor as a starter is extremely high priority this offseason. And we're all well aware that you think Taylor and this year's darft class are both cold turds, it's been posted ad nauseam. If the team decides to fix RT (or LT, for that matter) through any means other than doubling up on Cam's tag, I ain't gonna head to the Modis.

This is my point - by the time Cam's tender is due, we should be able to say thumbs up or thumbs down on Little at LT. If you can't, you've wasted a month, and the indecision is going to impact your FA period, your darft, your practice sessions, everything until you get that situation resolved.

This is why you have an open competition between Robinson and Little, to find those things out. As I said before, the season just ended a week ago. We have until September to figure our who plays where. In camp, you have Robinson play LT and Little play RT. Then the next day you have Little play LT and Robinson play RT. Rotate them until you figure out where you want them to play. Get them both used to playing both positions. It's not that hard to figure out. 

The money does not matter. A franchise tag is only for one year and we have tons of cap space. Way more than we will spend this season.

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I think etienne will come good

Hopefully next season can be huge for him

I hope you're right, but I really doubt it. I've never seen a skill position player come back 100% from a Lisfranc injury.

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I Think the main reason a little did not play more at the beginning of the year was that he was knocking off the rust after sitting for two years. Given the situation, it’s understandable that he was not immediately pressed into action.

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If Little couldn’t do enough to win a job over either of our offensive tackles last season, that’s bad news. He might end up being a swing backup or guard.

Same with Cisco right?

It’s not even an exaggeration to say that the coaching last season with Urban was the worst in league history.

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If Little couldn’t do enough to win a job over either of our offensive tackles last season, that’s bad news. He might end up being a swing backup or guard.

Same with Cisco right?

It’s not even an exaggeration to say that the coaching last season with Urban was the worst in league history.

We really so be breaking records as the club, having the worst coach in history has to be a goodie 

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I Think the main reason a little did not play more at the beginning of the year was that he was knocking off the rust after sitting for two years. Given the situation, it’s understandable that he was not immediately pressed into action.

Last year's coaching staff may have made many mistakes.  The decision to not play Little before he was ready to compete may have been the correct one.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

There are 3 types of lisfranc injuries, sprain, fracture and dislocation. Ettienes was the mildest in that it was a sprain, he didn’t continue to play on it and recieved treatment right away. There have been plenty to comeback from said injury, I think their is reason for optimism that he can be close if not 100% for next season.

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There are 3 types of lisfranc injuries, sprain, fracture and dislocation. Ettienes was the mildest in that it was a sprain, he didn’t continue to play on it and recieved treatment right away. There have been plenty to comeback from said injury, I think their is reason for optimism that he can be close if not 100% for next season.

It was most definitely a lisfranc tear and not just a sprain. A sprain wouldn't require immediate surgery and such a long rehab process.

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There are 3 types of lisfranc injuries, sprain, fracture and dislocation. Ettienes was the mildest in that it was a sprain, he didn’t continue to play on it and recieved treatment right away. There have been plenty to comeback from said injury, I think their is reason for optimism that he can be close if not 100% for next season.

It was most definitely a lisfranc tear and not just a sprain. A sprain wouldn't require immediate surgery and such a long rehab process.

Everything I can find online said there was no tear and that it was a mid foot sprain that required surgery and would end his season. I also remember at the time that they said it was the least serious of lisfranc injuries.

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It was most definitely a lisfranc tear and not just a sprain. A sprain wouldn't require immediate surgery and such a long rehab process.

Everything I can find online said there was no tear and that it was a mid foot sprain that required surgery and would end his season. I also remember at the time that they said it was the least serious of lisfranc injuries.

"A significant tear" - Ian Rapoport

https://www.nfl.com/news/jaguars-rb-trav...gery-today

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Hard to say without knowing the true medical reports.

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This is why you have an open competition between Robinson and Little, to find those things out. As I said before, the season just ended a week ago. We have until September to figure our who plays where. In camp, you have Robinson play LT and Little play RT. Then the next day you have Little play LT and Robinson play RT. Rotate them until you figure out where you want them to play. Get them both used to playing both positions. It's not that hard to figure out. 

The money does not matter. A franchise tag is only for one year and we have tons of cap space. Way more than we will spend this season.

So you don't think there's any other option at LT/RT in FA? If money doesn't matter, bite the bullet, offer Cam a lengthier deal and get the line set. You tag him, we're back in this same quandary again next year, either debating whether Little has what it takes to play LT (or RT), who to pay to fill the void left by Cam, or to finally offer him a longer deal.

It seems you're dead set on Cam, but unwilling to commit to him. If they decide he's the best option, I'd just rather we not keep repeating this cycle every offseason.

Maybe I'm just exhausted after our coaching search drug on way too long. I'm just ready for them to choose...something. Make a decision.

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If Little couldn’t do enough to win a job over either of our offensive tackles last season, that’s bad news. He might end up being a swing backup or guard.

That precludes the possibility of continued development on Little's part.

Remember, he hadn't played football for two seasons before he was drafted.

The plan may have been to use last year as a "redshirt" year to get the rust off and get him into football shape, get the rust off, and to prepare him for this year.

Now ultimately he may NOT be anything more than a backup.

But given the myriad issues with Urban Meyer's tenure and the possibility/necessity of taking it slow with Little, and a new coach, OL coach and scheme under Pederson, I think it's too soon to write him off.

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I Think the main reason a little did not play more at the beginning of the year was that he was knocking off the rust after sitting for two years. Given the situation, it’s understandable that he was not immediately pressed into action.

Last year's coaching staff may have made many mistakes.  The decision to not play Little before he was ready to compete may have been the correct one.

Agreed completely.

File under "a broken clock is right twice a day."

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

There are 3 types of lisfranc injuries, sprain, fracture and dislocation. Ettienes was the mildest in that it was a sprain, he didn’t continue to play on it and recieved treatment right away. There have been plenty to comeback from said injury, I think their is reason for optimism that he can be close if not 100% for next season.

It was most definitely a lisfranc tear and not just a sprain. A sprain wouldn't require immediate surgery and such a long rehab process.

This was an interview with Etienne from 4 days ago.  He discusses the injury in detail and the rehab.

https://youtu.be/wQZRav-Ef6c

He currently places himself at around 80-85%...some seven (7) months after the injury.

Definitely NOT a mere sprain.  He expressly called it a tear.

Start around the 5 minute mark.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!