You need 2 tackles though.  I want Hutch but I'd be very happy with Little and Neal as our tackles

Currently from the average 2021 starting line we only have Linder and Taylor under contract.  Actually the rebuilding of our O-line has to be our number 1 priority. That is why I am for drafting the best available o-lineman with our first pick AND tagging Robinson.

I am all for tagging Robinson, but tagging him and drafting an O-Lineman #1 overall makes no sense at all. We'd have Robinson and Little under contract. What are you gonna do, draft an OG #1? That is unprecedented. If you move Robinson inside to OG, you're paying him franchise LT money to move inside to OG. That is a complete waste of money. If you move Little inside to OG, you're basically saying you have no confidence in him to be an OT. There's simply no logic here. 

Tag Cam. Have him and Little serve as the starting OT's. Draft the BAP #1 (one of the edge rushers) and work on adding OG's and possibly a Center via free agency and the draft. You also look in the middle rounds of the draft to find an adequate swing Tackle who can possibly be the RT of the future when you no longer need to tag Robinson. This allows that Tackle to gain some NFL experience without throwing him to the wolves right away. It's not rocket science. The main issues on the O-Line came from the right side. Replace Jawaan Taylor with either Robinson or Little and you have an instant upgrade at RT. Draft or find a free agent OG to play RG and the same goes for Center as Linder is likely a cap casualty due to his inability to stay healthy. Also, look for another OG/OT in the late rounds of the draft to compete with Bartch for Norwell's vacated LG position. These moves should give Lawrence plenty of protection, if our scouting department and front office are doing their jobs correctly and that way we don't end up passing on the best players in this draft for some overrated OT prospect.

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Everyone’s willing to keep Linder who graded out far worse than Cam this year and never seems to stay on the field. You have to be able to keep your young talent and quit letting guys walk because they are not perrrenial All pros by the end of their rookie contracts. Cam is decent he isn’’t all world be he Graded out our 2nd best lineman and Little out best but Little’s sample size is very small. Why not keep both, injuries happen you need depth and in a perfect world we would find a combination or little and Cam as our book end tackles.

I really believe Linder is gonna get cut. He's due $9.5 million on the final year of his deal and he's never healthy. If we cut him, he counts nothing in dead money. We essentially save $9.5 million and can put that towards other free agents. I agree about keeping Cam. Keep him and work on upgrading the interior O-Line this offseason. That would help Lawrence immensely.

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For now: Tag Cam, draft Neal, cut Linder, resign Norwell. Slide Bartch to Center, play Neal at RG, Cam at LT, Little at RT.

For later: Draft another Center and Guard this year,.

Next season: Move Neal outside, Little to LT, Bartch back to RG, start the 2nd year guys at LG and C.

You get a completely revamped line in 2023, all but Bartch on longer contracts.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

sike.......Just an example on how some stats can be misleading.  I really do not want to retain Robinson but many others do.

https://twitter.com/jordandelugo/status/...OCCoJmM2hA

*psych, not sike.

@should of expected the grammer police to stop by@

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OL 2022...

LT- Walker Little, Sean Rhyan (Rd 3, 6'5 320)
LG- James Daniels (FA, 24, 6'3 327)
OC- Brandon Linder, Tyler Shatley (FA, 30, 6'3 305)
RG- Ben Bartch, Ed Ingram (Rd 4, 6'3, 317)
RT- Morgan Moses (FA, 30, 6'6 335), Will Richardson (FA, 26, 6'6 320)

Re-signing Shatley (OC/OG) and Richardson (OG/OT) due to having experience, being cost effective, and bringing game day versatility. In external free agency, signing Daniels and Moses gives the line solid experienced play and upgrade in those spots, at a cost likely equal or less than the nearly $17m that would have been paid to Cam Robinson. The experience and depth allows me to draft OL players with upside in round 3 and 4, saving the first 2 picks in the draft for BAP with the first pick (likely a DE/OLB) and a weapon for Trevor with the other.

Jawaan Taylor is likely my 10th OL....but I am on the fence with him.

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Little-Zion Johnson-Linder-Scherff-Trent Brown

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*psych, not sike.

@should of expected the grammer police to stop by@

*buy

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For now: Tag Cam, draft Neal, cut Linder, resign Norwell. Slide Bartch to Center, play Neal at RG, Cam at LT, Little at RT.

For later: Draft another Center and Guard this year,.

Next season: Move Neal outside, Little to LT, Bartch back to RG, start the 2nd year guys at LG and C.

You get a completely revamped line in 2023, all but Bartch on longer contracts.

??????????? I don't understand this line of thinking. Not only are we passing on BAP (Hutchinson or Thibodeaux) to draft for need (Neal) just like Caldwell did, but you're essentially drafting an OG #1 overall and sliding Bartch to Center where he has no experience. Center is a very highly skilled position, unlike playing OG or Center. You can't just slide anyone to this spot and expect them to be good.

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For now: Tag Cam, draft Neal, cut Linder, resign Norwell. Slide Bartch to Center, play Neal at RG, Cam at LT, Little at RT.

For later: Draft another Center and Guard this year,.

Next season: Move Neal outside, Little to LT, Bartch back to RG, start the 2nd year guys at LG and C.

You get a completely revamped line in 2023, all but Bartch on longer contracts.

??????????? I don't understand this line of thinking. Not only are we passing on BAP (Hutchinson or Thibodeaux) to draft for need (Neal) just like Caldwell did, but you're essentially drafting an OG #1 overall and sliding Bartch to Center where he has no experience. Center is a very highly skilled position, unlike playing OG or Center. You can't just slide anyone to this spot and expect them to be good.

Bartch worked at Center last offseason, Linder was a guard when he got here too and that's turned out fine. Neal plays this year on the Jon Ogden plan (oh noes, he played guard his first year!) and I think he's a better player than either of those two you mentioned so you're the one advocating needs based drafting. I'm putting the best wall in front of TLaw that I can, in this case without investing heavily in free agency like some of the plans already laid out in here and elsewhere. Sure, we can spend a ton of money on risky free agents, that's a choice too, but I prefer to spend two offseasons developing from within.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

For now: Tag Cam, draft Neal, cut Linder, resign Norwell. Slide Bartch to Center, play Neal at RG, Cam at LT, Little at RT.

For later: Draft another Center and Guard this year,.

Next season: Move Neal outside, Little to LT, Bartch back to RG, start the 2nd year guys at LG and C.

You get a completely revamped line in 2023, all but Bartch on longer contracts.

??????????? I don't understand this line of thinking. Not only are we passing on BAP (Hutchinson or Thibodeaux) to draft for need (Neal) just like Caldwell did, but you're essentially drafting an OG #1 overall and sliding Bartch to Center where he has no experience. Center is a very highly skilled position, unlike playing OG or Center. You can't just slide anyone to this spot and expect them to be good.

I agree with all that.  

I know we all want to help Trevor, but one really good way to help him is to not constantly play from behind, and one way to do that is to get pressure on the QB and generate more takeaways.  And one way to do that is to draft one of the two edge rushers instead of replacing a perfectly acceptable left tackle that we already have.  (In fact, we actually have TWO perfectly acceptable LTs on our squad- Robinson and Little.)

If we have a better defense, it opens up the playbook and allows us to run the ball or whatever we want to do, because we're not starting the game already 10 points down in the first quarter, like we were so often last year.

We all want to help Trevor, but letting the opposing QB sit back there and pick our defense apart doesn't help him at all.

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??????????? I don't understand this line of thinking. Not only are we passing on BAP (Hutchinson or Thibodeaux) to draft for need (Neal) just like Caldwell did, but you're essentially drafting an OG #1 overall and sliding Bartch to Center where he has no experience. Center is a very highly skilled position, unlike playing OG or Center. You can't just slide anyone to this spot and expect them to be good.

Bartch worked at Center last offseason, Linder was a guard when he got here too and that's turned out fine. Neal plays this year on the Jon Ogden plan (oh noes, he played guard his first year!) and I think he's a better player than either of those two you mentioned so you're the one advocating needs based drafting. I'm putting the best wall in front of TLaw that I can, in this case without investing heavily in free agency like some of the plans already laid out in here and elsewhere. Sure, we can spend a ton of money on risky free agents, that's a choice too, but I prefer to spend two offseasons developing from within.

Of course you are investing heavily in free agency.  Cam Robinson and Andrew Norwell on March 16th are scheduled to be free agents, and you are likely spending $25-30 million in 2022 to have those 2 guys in your mentioned line.

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??????????? I don't understand this line of thinking. Not only are we passing on BAP (Hutchinson or Thibodeaux) to draft for need (Neal) just like Caldwell did, but you're essentially drafting an OG #1 overall and sliding Bartch to Center where he has no experience. Center is a very highly skilled position, unlike playing OG or Center. You can't just slide anyone to this spot and expect them to be good.

Bartch worked at Center last offseason, Linder was a guard when he got here too and that's turned out fine. Neal plays this year on the Jon Ogden plan (oh noes, he played guard his first year!) and I think he's a better player than either of those two you mentioned so you're the one advocating needs based drafting. I'm putting the best wall in front of TLaw that I can, in this case without investing heavily in free agency like some of the plans already laid out in here and elsewhere. Sure, we can spend a ton of money on risky free agents, that's a choice too, but I prefer to spend two offseasons developing from within.

That is a very short period of time to entrust Bartch to be good at an entirely new position. Moving from OG or OT to Center isn't like moving from OT to OG. It's much more nuanced. Not everyone can just make the switch. Just because Linder did it, doesn't mean Bartch can. Why not just sign or draft a new Center? There will be several pretty good options available in both free agency and the draft. That seems much safer.

True, you can develop subpar players from within, but why not try to bring in actual upgrades at the position, rather than just shuffling current players? You're still drafting for need over BAP in your scenario too. Drafting for need is what got us to this point to begin with. Take the pass rusher #1 overall. Actually give Allen a real threat off the edge to pair with. Tag Robinson and have him and Little play OT's for this season and drastically upgrade the interior O-Line and swing Tackle.

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Cam is definitely making everybody forget about Boselli in this town.

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Bartch worked at Center last offseason, Linder was a guard when he got here too and that's turned out fine. Neal plays this year on the Jon Ogden plan (oh noes, he played guard his first year!) and I think he's a better player than either of those two you mentioned so you're the one advocating needs based drafting. I'm putting the best wall in front of TLaw that I can, in this case without investing heavily in free agency like some of the plans already laid out in here and elsewhere. Sure, we can spend a ton of money on risky free agents, that's a choice too, but I prefer to spend two offseasons developing from within.

That is a very short period of time to entrust Bartch to be good at an entirely new position. Moving from OG or OT to Center isn't like moving from OT to OG. It's much more nuanced. Not everyone can just make the switch. Just because Linder did it, doesn't mean Bartch can. Why not just sign or draft a new Center? There will be several pretty good options available in both free agency and the draft. That seems much safer.

True, you can develop subpar players from within, but why not try to bring in actual upgrades at the position, rather than just shuffling current players? You're still drafting for need over BAP in your scenario too. Drafting for need is what got us to this point to begin with. Take the pass rusher #1 overall. Actually give Allen a real threat off the edge to pair with. Tag Robinson and have him and Little play OT's for this season and drastically upgrade the interior O-Line and swing Tackle.

You saw that I drafted a Center, right? I don't like playing rookie linemen unless they are top shelf superstars, the game is harder and the players are men. Give them a year in the weight room to prepare, though Neal looks to be ready to go. This plan is to avoid bringing in a bunch of outside free agent linemen and yes, resigning guys is a form of FA too, but to me it's still internal if you keep the same guys. The only one we really need gone is Taylor.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Everyone’s willing to keep Linder who graded out far worse than Cam this year and never seems to stay on the field. You have to be able to keep your young talent and quit letting guys walk because they are not perrrenial All pros by the end of their rookie contracts. Cam is decent he isn’’t all world be he Graded out our 2nd best lineman and Little out best but Little’s sample size is very small. Why not keep both, injuries happen you need depth and in a perfect world we would find a combination or little and Cam as our book end tackles.

I really believe Linder is gonna get cut. He's due $9.5 million on the final year of his deal and he's never healthy. If we cut him, he counts nothing in dead money. We essentially save $9.5 million and can put that towards other free agents. I agree about keeping Cam. Keep him and work on upgrading the interior O-Line this offseason. That would help Lawrence immensely.

They should cut Linder. Linder is a rental good for 10-12 games per year

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dough!

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That is a very short period of time to entrust Bartch to be good at an entirely new position. Moving from OG or OT to Center isn't like moving from OT to OG. It's much more nuanced. Not everyone can just make the switch. Just because Linder did it, doesn't mean Bartch can. Why not just sign or draft a new Center? There will be several pretty good options available in both free agency and the draft. That seems much safer.

True, you can develop subpar players from within, but why not try to bring in actual upgrades at the position, rather than just shuffling current players? You're still drafting for need over BAP in your scenario too. Drafting for need is what got us to this point to begin with. Take the pass rusher #1 overall. Actually give Allen a real threat off the edge to pair with. Tag Robinson and have him and Little play OT's for this season and drastically upgrade the interior O-Line and swing Tackle.

You saw that I drafted a Center, right? I don't like playing rookie linemen unless they are top shelf superstars, the game is harder and the players are men. Give them a year in the weight room to prepare, though Neal looks to be ready to go. This plan is to avoid bringing in a bunch of outside free agent linemen and yes, resigning guys is a form of FA too, but to me it's still internal if you keep the same guys. The only one we really need gone is Taylor.

My bad I missed that. If that is the case, why not sign a veteran Center if you don't trust rookie O-Linemen? Again, you are still not taking the BAP at #1 if you draft Neal. You are just filling a need with a lesser player than we could have had if we had taken an edge rusher #1. I truly don't understand this fascination some people have with Neal when the two best players in the draft are edge rushers, a position we desperately need to fill as well. 

If the only position on the O-Line that we need gone is Taylor, why tag Robinson and draft Neal? We'd have Robinson and Little to fill the two OT positions. We wouldn't need to reach and draft an OT that high this year. We could draft a project OT in the middle rounds to develop and wait until the next draft to get a starter when the OT class might be better.

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Not to hijack this thread away from Cam but it seems like most projections of our offensive line depth includes Tyler Shatley. I wonder if he'll be a little harder to bring back. Feels like we've gotten more value out of him than in return based on what we've paid him. He might be one of the 32 best centers in the league. Haven't taken the time to look around the league to see A) who is in need of a starting center and B) what their cap space looks like. But I think he could probably do better on the open market this year in free agency than what we paid him last year on that 1 year deal. I'd like to keep him around even if we have to make him an expensive backup. On the otherhand, maybe you let Linder go and roll with him for the next year or two as starter. Obviously we'd need to target interior lineman depth in the draft. But if we were to lose Shatley we'd need to do that anyways.

I'm in the camp that would like to keep both Linder and Shatley if we could. But I think we'll have to pay up and dedicate a fair amount of cap space to the center position to do so.

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You saw that I drafted a Center, right? I don't like playing rookie linemen unless they are top shelf superstars, the game is harder and the players are men. Give them a year in the weight room to prepare, though Neal looks to be ready to go. This plan is to avoid bringing in a bunch of outside free agent linemen and yes, resigning guys is a form of FA too, but to me it's still internal if you keep the same guys. The only one we really need gone is Taylor.

My bad I missed that. If that is the case, why not sign a veteran Center if you don't trust rookie O-Linemen? Again, you are still not taking the BAP at #1 if you draft Neal. You are just filling a need with a lesser player than we could have had if we had taken an edge rusher #1. I truly don't understand this fascination some people have with Neal when the two best players in the draft are edge rushers, a position we desperately need to fill as well. 

If the only position on the O-Line that we need gone is Taylor, why tag Robinson and draft Neal? We'd have Robinson and Little to fill the two OT positions. We wouldn't need to reach and draft an OT that high this year. We could draft a project OT in the middle rounds to develop and wait until the next draft to get a starter when the OT class might be better.

Because Bartch can do the job (I believe) and he's already here, no need to bring in an expensive vet to play a position you have a guy for, and there's really no guarantee we'd get anyone very good either. And though you think Neal isn't the best player I disagree, he's both the best player and the best suited for what Jacksonville needs to do with its roster. We draft Neal now because Cam is gone next year and we have a starting lineup of second and third year offensive tackles along with second year left guard and center and 4th year Ben Bartch as the right guard. We've built the wall in front of our QB and that's the most important thing we need to do.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Currently from the average 2021 starting line we only have Linder and Taylor under contract.  Actually the rebuilding of our O-line has to be our number 1 priority. That is why I am for drafting the best available o-lineman with our first pick AND tagging Robinson.

I am all for tagging Robinson, but tagging him and drafting an O-Lineman #1 overall makes no sense at all. We'd have Robinson and Little under contract. What are you gonna do, draft an OG #1? That is unprecedented. If you move Robinson inside to OG, you're paying him franchise LT money to move inside to OG. That is a complete waste of money. If you move Little inside to OG, you're basically saying you have no confidence in him to be an OT. There's simply no logic here. 

Tag Cam. Have him and Little serve as the starting OT's. Draft the BAP #1 (one of the edge rushers) and work on adding OG's and possibly a Center via free agency and the draft. You also look in the middle rounds of the draft to find an adequate swing Tackle who can possibly be the RT of the future when you no longer need to tag Robinson. This allows that Tackle to gain some NFL experience without throwing him to the wolves right away. It's not rocket science. The main issues on the O-Line came from the right side. Replace Jawaan Taylor with either Robinson or Little and you have an instant upgrade at RT. Draft or find a free agent OG to play RG and the same goes for Center as Linder is likely a cap casualty due to his inability to stay healthy. Also, look for another OG/OT in the late rounds of the draft to compete with Bartch for Norwell's vacated LG position. These moves should give Lawrence plenty of protection, if our scouting department and front office are doing their jobs correctly and that way we don't end up passing on the best players in this draft for some overrated OT prospect.

Exactly. All the uninformed draftniks who mock non-blue chip tackles to the Jags at #1 are out to lunch. The guy from North Carolina doesn't project to left tackle. I think Walker Little has more of a knack to play left tackle than Evan Neal, who screams right tackle to me. The line wasn't horrid last year with the exception of Jawaan Taylor. Draft some interior guys late in the draft, add a veteran or two, and problem solved.

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