Personally I found myself in the usual mindset of "we don't need _____, even though he's the best player in the draft because we have _________".

In particular I'm referring to the CB out of Cincinnati. In my ever so brief glimpse of the draft, he seems like the one FREAK in the draft.

My first thought is we're good at cb and need help in other areas. And in the past teams have passed on what should have been everyone's target because they were "good" at that position. And you always regret that.

You don't pass on blatant, positional, freaks.

Again, I haven't really familiarized myself with the draft yet, but a 6'3, 200lb, CB jumps out at me. Who didn't give up a TD in college? You can't pass up on that and #1 isn't a reach for such. If he runs anywhere in the 4.4s he makes a strong case.

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Can you at least provide his name? Lol

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Ahmad Gardner.

And we’re not good at CB. We’re not even average at CB.

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If he's there in the 2nd you don't hesitate, we really need to invest in offense though, you have Lawrence on his rookie deal... This is the time to take advantage of that.

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So you want a CB at 1? Sure about that?

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Yeah DE all day. This is not even a question to me.

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Personally I found myself in the usual mindset of "we don't need _____, even though he's the best player in the draft because we have _________".

In particular I'm referring to the CB out of Cincinnati. In my ever so brief glimpse of the draft, he seems like the one FREAK in the draft.

My first thought is we're good at cb and need help in other areas. And in the past teams have passed on what should have been everyone's target because they were "good" at that position. And you always regret that.

You don't pass on blatant, positional, freaks.

Again, I haven't really familiarized myself with the draft yet, but a 6'3, 200lb, CB jumps out at me. Who didn't give up a TD in college? You can't pass up on that and #1 isn't a reach for such. If he runs anywhere in the 4.4s he makes a strong case.

he's a 1st round talent, he's not a #1 overall talent, even in this weak draft. Throw on the tape of the CFP semifinal game if you want to see why he shouldn't be in contention for the top 5 picks.

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Personally I found myself in the usual mindset of "we don't need _____, even though he's the best player in the draft because we have _________".

In particular I'm referring to the CB out of Cincinnati. In my ever so brief glimpse of the draft, he seems like the one FREAK in the draft.

My first thought is we're good at cb and need help in other areas. And in the past teams have passed on what should have been everyone's target because they were "good" at that position. And you always regret that.

You don't pass on blatant, positional, freaks.

Again, I haven't really familiarized myself with the draft yet, but a 6'3, 200lb, CB jumps out at me. Who didn't give up a TD in college? You can't pass up on that and #1 isn't a reach for such. If he runs anywhere in the 4.4s he makes a strong case.

he's a 1st round talent, he's not a #1 overall talent, even in this weak draft. Throw on the tape of the CFP semifinal game if you want to see why he shouldn't be in contention for the top 5 picks.

I dont understand this comment.  He had a great game against Alabama

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https://www.si.com/college/cincinnati/fo...-nfl-draft

Wouldn't hurt my feelings if he's on their radar. Especially if Hutchinson and Thibodeaux flounder out at the combine.

Just kind of sucks though. Had Ramsey. Traded. Invested in Henderson. Traded. Campbell invested as a 2nd RD pick. Griffin signed to be your number one.

Again, begs the question. Why is any holdover from Caldwell's front office [Baalke] still here?

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I'm no expert on college players, but one report I heard about Sauce Gardner is that, while he is spectacular in coverage, he can have questionable desire and/or ability at times when it comes to tackling. I wouldn't mind getting him, but I wouldn't want to invest the first overall pick in him.

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Personally I found myself in the usual mindset of "we don't need _____, even though he's the best player in the draft because we have _________".

In particular I'm referring to the CB out of Cincinnati. In my ever so brief glimpse of the draft, he seems like the one FREAK in the draft.

My first thought is we're good at cb and need help in other areas. And in the past teams have passed on what should have been everyone's target because they were "good" at that position. And you always regret that.

You don't pass on blatant, positional, freaks.

Again, I haven't really familiarized myself with the draft yet, but a 6'3, 200lb, CB jumps out at me. Who didn't give up a TD in college? You can't pass up on that and #1 isn't a reach for such. If he runs anywhere in the 4.4s he makes a strong case.

he's a 1st round talent, he's not a #1 overall talent, even in this weak draft. Throw on the tape of the CFP semifinal game if you want to see why he shouldn't be in contention for the top 5 picks.

This is the most hilarious take I've seen posted on this board in a very long time. It's OBVIOUS that you didn't watch that game and only looked at the final score. Both Gardner and the Bearcats' other starting CB, Coby Bryant, completely shut down the Alabama passing offense. They grounded it. Alabama had two longer passes completed that entire game. One was given up by Cincinnati's 3rd CB and the other was given up by one of the Bearcat Safeties. Alabama had no luck at all throwing to receivers covered by Gardner and Bryant. Unfortunately for Cincinnati, the same could not be said for their run defense. Alabama's RB's ran up and down the field at will with little to no resistance and Cincinnati got nothing going on offense. 

I currently have CB "Sauce" Gardner as the #3 overall prospect and there is a very good chance he may move higher. He is the best cover corner I've seen in years and I believe he will be in the running for NFL Defensive ROY. If we trade out of the #1 spot and both edge rushers are gone, I target Gardner as my pick, without question. That kid is special. CB may not be a great need, but I don't care. I would draft the BAP.

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I'm no expert on college players, but one report I heard about Sauce Gardner is that, while he is spectacular in coverage, he can have questionable desire and/or ability at times when it comes to tackling.  I wouldn't mind getting him, but I wouldn't want to invest the first overall pick in him.

As someone who lives just outside Cincinnati, this report is completely, 100% wrong. Gardner is a very good and willing tackler. They just did a breakdown of him on one of the ESPN shows and they even pointed out how good he is at tackling.

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he's a 1st round talent, he's not a #1 overall talent, even in this weak draft. Throw on the tape of the CFP semifinal game if you want to see why he shouldn't be in contention for the top 5 picks.

This is the most hilarious take I've seen posted on this board in a very long time. It's OBVIOUS that you didn't watch that game and only looked at the final score. Both Gardner and the Bearcats' other starting CB, Coby Bryant, completely shut down the Alabama passing offense. They grounded it. Alabama had two longer passes completed that entire game. One was given up by Cincinnati's 3rd CB and the other was given up by one of the Bearcat Safeties. Alabama had no luck at all throwing to receivers covered by Gardner and Bryant. Unfortunately for Cincinnati, the same could not be said for their run defense. Alabama's RB's ran up and down the field at will with little to no resistance and Cincinnati got nothing going on offense. 

I currently have CB "Sauce" Gardner as the #3 overall prospect and there is a very good chance he may move higher. He is the best cover corner I've seen in years and I believe he will be in the running for NFL Defensive ROY. If we trade out of the #1 spot and both edge rushers are gone, I target Gardner as my pick, without question. That kid is special. CB may not be a great need, but I don't care. I would draft the BAP.

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I'm no expert on college players, but one report I heard about Sauce Gardner is that, while he is spectacular in coverage, he can have questionable desire and/or ability at times when it comes to tackling.  I wouldn't mind getting him, but I wouldn't want to invest the first overall pick in him.

As someone who lives just outside Cincinnati, this report is completely, 100% wrong. Gardner is a very good and willing tackler. They just did a breakdown of him on one of the ESPN shows and they even pointed out how good he is at tackling.

Seems like you really want that sauce.

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So you want a CB at 1? Sure about that?

Idk anything about this guy, but id take a ramsey level player at 1 no question

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I see Gardner as being a top 5 CB immediately upon entering the NFL. If one of those DEs, WRs, OTs, will be top 5 in their position immediately upon drafting, yeah we have bigger need at all those positions. It would be fine to pass on Sauce.

Sauce is the only guy I see who will immediately be top 5 at his position upon being drafted. I think that is the intention of a #1 pick. The only position off the table for us is QB.

Depending upon his 40 time, he's the only freak draftee I'm aware of. He's right now projected to be BETTER than Ramsey imo. You don't pass on that. And I like our two current CBs, it's just you don't pass on freaks.

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I see Gardner as being a top 5 CB immediately upon entering the NFL. If one of those DEs, WRs, OTs, will be top 5 in their position immediately upon drafting, yeah we have bigger need at all those positions. It would be fine to pass on Sauce.

Sauce is the only guy I see who will immediately be top 5 at his position upon being drafted. I think that is the intention of a #1 pick. The only position off the table for us is QB.

Depending upon his 40 time, he's the only freak draftee I'm aware of. He's right now projected to be BETTER than Ramsey imo. You don't pass on that. And I like our two current CBs, it's just you don't pass on freaks.

For certain an option if the Jags trade out of the 1 hole.

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So you want a CB at 1? Sure about that?

Idk anything about this guy, but id take a ramsey level player at 1 no question

Revis level YES .... Ramsey level NO

Darrelle Revis was the real deal.  Ramsey benefits from a great D Line and often gets toasted.

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Idk anything about this guy, but id take a ramsey level player at 1 no question

Revis level YES .... Ramsey level NO

Darrelle Revis was the real deal.  Ramsey benefits from a great D Line and often gets toasted.

Like in the superbowl. Ramsey was toasted several times.

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I see Gardner as being a top 5 CB immediately upon entering the NFL. If one of those DEs, WRs, OTs, will be top 5 in their position immediately upon drafting, yeah we have bigger need at all those positions. It would be fine to pass on Sauce.

Sauce is the only guy I see who will immediately be top 5 at his position upon being drafted. I think that is the intention of a #1 pick. The only position off the table for us is QB.

Depending upon his 40 time, he's the only freak draftee I'm aware of. He's right now projected to be BETTER than Ramsey imo. You don't pass on that. And I like our two current CBs, it's just you don't pass on freaks.

For certain an option if the Jags trade out of the 1 hole.

But that's what the #1 pick is for right? To get the best player in the draft. With exception being made if you need a QB. You want the draftee who projects as being top 5 at their position as soon as possible.

Are any of the other names being tossed around projected to be top 5 at their position? Neal, Thibodaux, DE from Michigan? What I'm gathering is they will be solid starters, not super stars. Correct me if I'm wrong.

It's why good teams seem to remain good for a while. They're usually drafting later and get these players who due to position (S, CB, LB, TE) it's viewed they can't go #1 so the bad teams who can really use them, miss them and instead get players who are ranked higher because "you don't draft CBs #1".

We need a DE and WR more than CB, but none in the draft will be as dominant at their position as Sauce will be at his.

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For certain an option if the Jags trade out of the 1 hole.

But that's what the #1 pick is for right? To get the best player in the draft. With exception being made if you need a QB. You want the draftee who projects as being top 5 at their position as soon as possible.

Are any of the other names being tossed around projected to be top 5 at their position? Neal, Thibodaux, DE from Michigan? What I'm gathering is they will be solid starters, not super stars. Correct me if I'm wrong.

It's why good teams seem to remain good for a while. They're usually drafting later and get these players who due to position (S, CB, LB, TE) it's viewed they can't go #1 so the bad teams who can really use them, miss them and instead get players who are ranked higher because "you don't draft CBs #1".

We need a DE and WR more than CB, but none in the draft will be as dominant at their position as Sauce will be at his.

It's a numbers game. If you invested a 2nd RD pick at CB last year and your primary free agency signing was also a CB to be the number one? You get into this weird situation from a front office's perspective. Sure, Gardner is going to probably end up being one of the few players selected in RD1 that night that ends up being a pretty damn good football player. 

However, when they look at the roster, the cap hits, etc. They'll figure out a way to justify to lean towards DE. For this same logic above. I cannot see them drafting Neal when they already invested a 2nd RD pick last year at LT. It presents a unique problem to a few of these personnel guys. 

You ability to scout, roster build and level of foresight will begin to be call into question. It will impact your ability to land a job potentially in the future. As the NFL has proven. Change is constant.

You also get into "what if's" a lot. Maybe Campbell and Griffin can play like a top five tandem at CB... IF... a guy like Hutchinson or Thibodeaux can add more pass rush at DE to enable Allen and the rest of the line to pressure the QB, etc. 

The list goes on and on. Again, for me, at the end of the day. Just like Stafford proved in one off season. Just like Brady proved in one off season. Just like Mahomes proved in Kansas City. CB, DE, defense this, defense that. Listen, get me THE QB and the coach capable of getting the most out of him and everything will eventually resolve itself on it's own at some point.

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Idk anything about this guy, but id take a ramsey level player at 1 no question

Revis level YES .... Ramsey level NO

Darrelle Revis was the real deal.  Ramsey benefits from a great D Line and often gets toasted.

I think Ramsey better than Revis. He's the best CB in the league. He gets burned...well beat...from time to time but they all do.

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