Revis level YES .... Ramsey level NO

Darrelle Revis was the real deal.  Ramsey benefits from a great D Line and often gets toasted.

I think Ramsey better than Revis. He's the best CB in the league. He gets burned...well beat...from time to time but they all do.

Revis in his prime was better than Ramsey, IMO.

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Revis level YES .... Ramsey level NO

Darrelle Revis was the real deal.  Ramsey benefits from a great D Line and often gets toasted.

I think Ramsey better than Revis. He's the best CB in the league. He gets burned...well beat...from time to time but they all do.

Darelle Revis > Ramsey.
Ty Law > Ramsey.
Champ Bailey > Ramsey.

CBs get beat from time to time. I agree. Ramsey seems to get beat in big moments though. Stafford bailed him out in Tampa.

Brady absolutely scorched him with Evans and it could have been how Ramsey was ultimately remembered.

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I think Ramsey better than Revis. He's the best CB in the league. He gets burned...well beat...from time to time but they all do.

Revis in his prime was better than Ramsey, IMO.

Revis was better by a mile. Could argue Sherman was better in his prime. Again. Sherman made big plays in big moments. Ramsey was bailed out by Stafford and could have been known for being lit up by Brady and Evans. He has a knack for getting beat bad in big moments.

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I think Ramsey better than Revis. He's the best CB in the league. He gets burned...well beat...from time to time but they all do.

Revis in his prime was better than Ramsey, IMO.

Agreed. There was a reason he was nicknamed "Revis Island." He completely shut down opposing receivers.

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Revis' prime was shorter than most elite CBs, but I'd put his peak higher than any corner ever...even Deion.

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he's a 1st round talent, he's not a #1 overall talent, even in this weak draft. Throw on the tape of the CFP semifinal game if you want to see why he shouldn't be in contention for the top 5 picks.

I dont understand this comment.  He had a great game against Alabama

The comment wasn't to say he did poorly, but he did nothing to warrant a jump UP from where he was being mocked to the FIRST OVERALL PICK IN THE DRAFT!!! Ramsey was a better prospect at a higher level of competition and he still only went #5, I'm not even sure if Gardner is better than Stingley; or if as a DB as a whole he's as "DOMINANT" as Kyle Hamilton.

Points about his play in the CFP against 'Bama:

1) He didn't tackle well at all, not sure if he was less willing to risk injury before the draft, but this jumped out at me.
2) Didn't see him press often in this game, he typically played with a lot of cushion
3) separation at NCAA vs. NFL level. He's playing good coverage and sticking with his mark, but i have to admit that his coverage is closing throwing windows in college at a high clip, but a good portion of these plays that a college qb wouldnt think about throwing, an NFL QB is going to feast on
4) Was it him being exceptionally talented or that 'Bama had mismatches elsewhere to exploit? There were a fair number of plays that he could have been targeted but the ball went elsewhere, why risk throwing at Cincy's best CB? especially when you have 3 other WR's not named Jameson Williams who are just as good and they don't have the same depth of talent at CB to match

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Championship Formula:

1) Draft Trevor Lawrence!
2) Play good physical Defense! 
3) Keep 91% of the roster healthy!
4) ???
5) Blank #2
6) CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

To say Law was better is just being jaded. Ramsey is better than Law.
Agree with the rest. Ramseys nack for getting beat in big moments was never a thing before this post season though. He made several big plays for us in big moments in 17. Wonder what happened.

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To say Law was better is just being jaded. Ramsey is better than Law.
Agree with the rest. Ramseys nack for getting beat in big moments was never a thing before this post season though. He made several big plays for us in big moments in 17. Wonder what happened.

Law is better than Ramsey. As a leader. As an overall cornerstone on a Patriots defense that had a variety of schemes and concepts to adhere to. Led the NFL in interceptions twice. Has 7 pick six's. Didn't get beat in big, close games in Superbowl's.

He's a hall of famer already.

You're full of [BLEEP] if you say or think otherwise. Keep in mind. I left off Charles Woodson and Rod Woodson. I am being generous with Ramsey there. Law in comparison to Ramsey though? Jaded?

Okay...

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Law was better than Ramsey. Law was the only corner that could lock down Marvin Harrison. I'm taking Law all day. I never seen Law get beat the way Ramsey does

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Law was better than Ramsey.  Law was the only corner that could lock down Marvin Harrison.  I'm taking Law all day.  I never seen Law get beat the way Ramsey does

I'm sure if social media was as prevelant back when Law was playing, you would see more clips of him getting beat. You only see it for Ramsey because people tweet it out every time he gets beat.

Also, just for reference, Ty Law has only been named 1st team All-Pro twice. Ramsey has 3.

I think it's extremely difficult to compare players from different eras. Teams didn't throw the ball nearly as much back in the 90s and early 2000s.

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Law was better than Ramsey.  Law was the only corner that could lock down Marvin Harrison.  I'm taking Law all day.  I never seen Law get beat the way Ramsey does

I'm sure if social media was as prevelant back when Law was playing, you would see more clips of him getting beat. You only see it for Ramsey because people tweet it out every time he gets beat.

Also, just for reference, Ty Law has only been named 1st team All-Pro twice. Ramsey has 3.

I think it's extremely difficult to compare players from different eras. Teams didn't throw the ball nearly as much back in the 90s and early 2000s.

We see it in the games., not the tweets.  I didnt know people tweet out every time Ramsey gets beat, i haven't seen that. Fred Taylor has 1 Pro Bowl, Steven Jackson had 3.  Does that mean Jackson is better than Taylor?  Jackson was good but not close to Taylor.

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I'm sure if social media was as prevelant back when Law was playing, you would see more clips of him getting beat. You only see it for Ramsey because people tweet it out every time he gets beat.

Also, just for reference, Ty Law has only been named 1st team All-Pro twice. Ramsey has 3.

I think it's extremely difficult to compare players from different eras. Teams didn't throw the ball nearly as much back in the 90s and early 2000s.

We see it in the games., not the tweets.  I didnt know people tweet out every time Ramsey gets beat, i haven't seen that. Fred Taylor has 1 Pro Bowl, Steven Jackson had 3.  Does that mean Jackson is better than Taylor?  Jackson was good but not close to Taylor.

I didn’t say pro bowl. I said All-Pro.

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We see it in the games., not the tweets.  I didnt know people tweet out every time Ramsey gets beat, i haven't seen that. Fred Taylor has 1 Pro Bowl, Steven Jackson had 3.  Does that mean Jackson is better than Taylor?  Jackson was good but not close to Taylor.

I didn’t say pro bowl. I said All-Pro.

I know what you said, point remains the same.  Ok, Taylor has 1 All Pro season, Jackson has 2.  Does that make Jackson better?

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I didn’t say pro bowl. I said All-Pro.

I know what you said, point remains the same.  Ok, Taylor has 1 All Pro season, Jackson has 2.  Does that make Jackson better?

Well pro bowls mean nothing so no reason to bring them up.

I definitely think Taylor is better and I wasn’t suggesting that All-Pros are the end all be all of “who was better” because again, comparing eras is impossible. All-Pros can be used as a piece to the puzzle but it’s not an absolute.

You don’t remember Ty Law getting beat because there was no Redzone or Twitter to keep up with every play from every game from every team. It’s so easy now to follow other teams outside of your local market. I also think there’s a bit of recency bias with Ramsey. He got beat on one play by Evans and then multiple times in the SB. It also doesn’t help that he scorned this franchise.

I would also love to watch some of these older corners play in todays game and visa versa. I would love to watch some of the older QBs play in todays pass happy offenses. Tough to compare players in different eras when the game changes so much.

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I didn't watch much of the Rams during the season but Ramsey was a borderline liability in the playoffs. Yes maybe a small sample size but was very noticeable in games. Gave up multiple big plays, I remember him dropping at least one gimme INT and another I thought he could have had, and per usual I saw him get weak on a few attempted tackles. I also saw at times him getting beat off the line but the ball not thrown his way. I remember two instances where Chase completely wrong footed him and blew past him off the line but Burrow was looking in another direction. He is still a great DB but he didn't rise to the occasion in the playoffs.

I don't buy the argument about twitter or redzone. I didn't pay attention to any of those, just watched the game and the replays during the games. It was noticeable just watching. I'm sure twitter exacerbated it because more people could discuss . But just watching the game was enough to see he wasn't playing like he did for us in the playoffs a few years back.

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Ramsey was getting beat in big games over the past two years. Again, I could care less about his diva tendencies and his mouth. He's a great football player. Cannot take that away from him. For the most part. He blankets his receivers and gets it done enough to help his team win. However, again, he does tend to get beat in big moments.

I never recall seeing Law getting smoked in the play-offs during all of New England's championship runs as a kid. People forget. As good as Brady was. Those years that New England won those superbowl's in the early 2000's to mid 2000's were loaded on defense.

The games were kept nice and close because of that defense. And a lot of those came down to their defense getting off the field, getting the ball back to Brady and enabling Vinateri to kick the game winner.

A lot of that had to do with Law playing good football in the secondary and enabling a very well coached and schemed front seven to get after the QB and control the running game.

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I didn't watch much of the Rams during the season but Ramsey was a borderline liability in the playoffs.  Yes maybe a small sample size but was very noticeable in games.  Gave up multiple big plays, I remember him dropping at least one gimme INT and another I thought he could have had, and per usual I saw him get weak on a few attempted tackles.  I also saw at times him getting beat off the line but the ball not thrown his way.  I remember two instances where Chase completely wrong footed him and blew past him off the line but Burrow was looking in another direction.  He is still a great DB but he didn't rise to the occasion in the playoffs. 

I don't buy the argument about twitter or redzone.  I didn't pay attention to any of those, just watched the game and the replays during the games.  It was noticeable just watching.  I'm sure twitter exacerbated it because more people could discuss .  But just watching the game was enough to see he wasn't playing like he did for us in the playoffs a few years back.

Oh I watched all the playoff games. Ramsey wasn’t playing well for sure. And they were roasting him online (and rightfully so).

My Twitter and Redzone comment was based more on players before social media was a thing. If a player had a bad game, you really didn’t know about it if you lived out of market.

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I didn't watch much of the Rams during the season but Ramsey was a borderline liability in the playoffs.  Yes maybe a small sample size but was very noticeable in games.  Gave up multiple big plays, I remember him dropping at least one gimme INT and another I thought he could have had, and per usual I saw him get weak on a few attempted tackles.  I also saw at times him getting beat off the line but the ball not thrown his way.  I remember two instances where Chase completely wrong footed him and blew past him off the line but Burrow was looking in another direction.  He is still a great DB but he didn't rise to the occasion in the playoffs. 

I don't buy the argument about twitter or redzone.  I didn't pay attention to any of those, just watched the game and the replays during the games.  It was noticeable just watching.  I'm sure twitter exacerbated it because more people could discuss .  But just watching the game was enough to see he wasn't playing like he did for us in the playoffs a few years back.

Oh I watched all the playoff games. Ramsey wasn’t playing well for sure. And they were roasting him online (and rightfully so).

My Twitter and Redzone comment was based more on players before social media was a thing. If a player had a bad game, you really didn’t know about it if you lived out of market.

They still had Sports Center and that [BLEEP] came on religiously along with NFL Prime Time.  That's back when ESPN was good.  People could still see what was going on if you missed a game.  It's not like people were left in the dark and didn't know what was going on around the league.  It's not like he played in the 70s or 80s lol

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Can you at least provide his name? Lol

How many CB out of UC are getting first round hype?

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Idk anything about this guy, but id take a ramsey level player at 1 no question

Revis level YES .... Ramsey level NO

Darrelle Revis was the real deal.  Ramsey benefits from a great D Line and often gets toasted.

...and Revis went 12th IIRC?

Get the big guys early.

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