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What's up with DJ Chark?


(03-04-2022, 04:56 PM)Upper Wrote: https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/statu...5337561093

Chark about to have himself a HOF career.
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(03-04-2022, 09:40 PM)Caldrac Wrote:
(03-04-2022, 07:52 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: We gotta get a good TE in this draft. Like the WR position, it's an incredibly deep class.
Would be happy with McBride, Woods, Dulcich, Bellinger or Likely. Want to see what Wydermyer does at his pro day. Hopefully Ferguson looks better at his pro day as well. His 3 cone drill was better than his 40. Maybe he's more quick than fast.

Woods seems well balanced with straight speed and strength. Bellinger has great speed for a guy considered a better run blocker than receiver. Untapped potential there probably. Dulcich was well rounded. McBride was the most smooth in his route running and breaking out of his routes.

Calcaterra is a sleeper though. Would take him in RD4 or RD5.

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Personally, I have the TE's ranked this way......

1. Tre McBride
2. Jelani Woods
3. Isaiah Likely
4. Jake Ferguson
5. Greg Dulcich
6. Derrick Deese
7. Charlie Kolar
8. Cole Turner
9. Grant Calcaterra
10. Lucas Krull
11. Jalen Wydermeyer
12. Gerrit Prince
13. Austin Allen
14. Cade Otton
15. Chigoziem Okonkwo

If we get one of the guys from the top 7 on this board, I'd be stoked!
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(03-05-2022, 03:45 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(03-04-2022, 09:40 PM)Caldrac Wrote: Would be happy with McBride, Woods, Dulcich, Bellinger or Likely. Want to see what Wydermyer does at his pro day. Hopefully Ferguson looks better at his pro day as well. His 3 cone drill was better than his 40. Maybe he's more quick than fast.

Woods seems well balanced with straight speed and strength. Bellinger has great speed for a guy considered a better run blocker than receiver. Untapped potential there probably. Dulcich was well rounded. McBride was the most smooth in his route running and breaking out of his routes.

Calcaterra is a sleeper though. Would take him in RD4 or RD5.

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Personally, I have the TE's ranked this way......

1. Tre McBride
2. Jelani Woods
3. Isaiah Likely
4. Jake Ferguson
5. Greg Dulcich
6. Derrick Deese
7. Charlie Kolar
8. Cole Turner
9. Grant Calcaterra
10. Lucas Krull
11. Jalen Wydermeyer
12. Gerrit Prince
13. Austin Allen
14. Cade Otton
15. Chigoziem Okonkwo

If we get one of the guys from the top 7 on this board, I'd be stoked!

Give me McBride or Likely please.
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(03-05-2022, 03:49 AM)Dimson Wrote:
(03-05-2022, 03:45 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: Personally, I have the TE's ranked this way......

1. Tre McBride
2. Jelani Woods
3. Isaiah Likely
4. Jake Ferguson
5. Greg Dulcich
6. Derrick Deese
7. Charlie Kolar
8. Cole Turner
9. Grant Calcaterra
10. Lucas Krull
11. Jalen Wydermeyer
12. Gerrit Prince
13. Austin Allen
14. Cade Otton
15. Chigoziem Okonkwo

If we get one of the guys from the top 7 on this board, I'd be stoked!

Give me McBride or Likely please.

I would be thrilled with either one.
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(03-05-2022, 12:39 AM)Khan Artist Wrote:
(03-04-2022, 04:56 PM)Upper Wrote: https://twitter.com/Schultz_Report/statu...5337561093

Chark about to have himself a HOF career.
He's coming off an injury and is yet to use all the talent he has. He hasn't shown HOF numbers yet in any season and he is on the wrong side of the gas tank left to be able to have a long career of good numbers to get in.

Could he be a top 10 WR, yes but it's not a lock he will be.

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(03-05-2022, 04:11 AM)p_rushing Wrote:
(03-05-2022, 12:39 AM)Khan Artist Wrote: Chark about to have himself a HOF career.
He's coming off an injury and is yet to use all the talent he has. He hasn't shown HOF numbers yet in any season and he is on the wrong side of the gas tank left to be able to have a long career of good numbers to get in.

Could he be a top 10 WR, yes but it's not a lock he will be.

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Chark has the talent, but he's developing a reputation as being a bit fragile. If he could just stay healthy, I believe he could be a CeeDee Lamb type receiver. Will it ever happen though?
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(03-05-2022, 03:45 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(03-04-2022, 09:40 PM)Caldrac Wrote: Would be happy with McBride, Woods, Dulcich, Bellinger or Likely. Want to see what Wydermyer does at his pro day. Hopefully Ferguson looks better at his pro day as well. His 3 cone drill was better than his 40. Maybe he's more quick than fast.

Woods seems well balanced with straight speed and strength. Bellinger has great speed for a guy considered a better run blocker than receiver. Untapped potential there probably. Dulcich was well rounded. McBride was the most smooth in his route running and breaking out of his routes.

Calcaterra is a sleeper though. Would take him in RD4 or RD5.

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Personally, I have the TE's ranked this way......

1. Tre McBride
2. Jelani Woods
3. Isaiah Likely
4. Jake Ferguson
5. Greg Dulcich
6. Derrick Deese
7. Charlie Kolar
8. Cole Turner
9. Grant Calcaterra
10. Lucas Krull
11. Jalen Wydermeyer
12. Gerrit Prince
13. Austin Allen
14. Cade Otton
15. Chigoziem Okonkwo

If we get one of the guys from the top 7 on this board, I'd be stoked!

I think McBride and Ferguson were the big losers from the combine. Athleticism matters more at TE than any other skill position. McBride was so small and unexplosive. Ferguson was unathletic across the board.

I think Dulcich separated himself as TE1 and I'm not sure if Woods is TE2 but for where he'll go he might be the best value. Chigo was an amazing athlete but he was so small I'm not sure how a guy 6'2" can ever play inline.
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(03-05-2022, 11:24 AM)Upper Wrote:
(03-05-2022, 03:45 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: Personally, I have the TE's ranked this way......

1. Tre McBride
2. Jelani Woods
3. Isaiah Likely
4. Jake Ferguson
5. Greg Dulcich
6. Derrick Deese
7. Charlie Kolar
8. Cole Turner
9. Grant Calcaterra
10. Lucas Krull
11. Jalen Wydermeyer
12. Gerrit Prince
13. Austin Allen
14. Cade Otton
15. Chigoziem Okonkwo

If we get one of the guys from the top 7 on this board, I'd be stoked!

I think McBride and Ferguson were the big losers from the combine. Athleticism matters more at TE than any other skill position. McBride was so small and unexplosive. Ferguson was unathletic across the board.

I think Dulcich separated himself as TE1 and I'm not sure if Woods is TE2 but for where he'll go he might be the best value. Chigo was an amazing athlete but he was so small I'm not sure how a guy 6'2" can ever play inline.

You and I have very different grading systems for players. I place very little emphasis on the Combine. 90% of what I rate on is based upon on field production and scheme fits. To each their own though.
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(03-05-2022, 11:24 AM)Upper Wrote:
(03-05-2022, 03:45 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: Personally, I have the TE's ranked this way......

1. Tre McBride
2. Jelani Woods
3. Isaiah Likely
4. Jake Ferguson
5. Greg Dulcich
6. Derrick Deese
7. Charlie Kolar
8. Cole Turner
9. Grant Calcaterra
10. Lucas Krull
11. Jalen Wydermeyer
12. Gerrit Prince
13. Austin Allen
14. Cade Otton
15. Chigoziem Okonkwo

If we get one of the guys from the top 7 on this board, I'd be stoked!

I think McBride and Ferguson were the big losers from the combine. Athleticism matters more at TE than any other skill position. McBride was so small and unexplosive. Ferguson was unathletic across the board.

I think Dulcich separated himself as TE1 and I'm not sure if Woods is TE2 but for where he'll go he might be the best value. Chigo was an amazing athlete but he was so small I'm not sure how a guy 6'2" can ever play inline.

McBride was a big loser?  Lol.



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Most said he looked like the vest TE at combine and cemented his case to being the first TE selected.
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TE is one position you really don't need to be athletic.
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(03-05-2022, 11:42 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: McBride was a big loser?  Lol.

Most said he looked like the vest TE at combine and cemented his case to being the first TE selected.

I don't care how a guy looks in underwear running the gaunlet and skeletons. Remember how small Tebow looked compared to our already bad TE corps? McBride is the same size.

Then he went out and posted just ok jumps and skipped the 40 and agility drills. As I've said, athletic testing corrolates more to production at TE than any other skill position...and so far he is subpar especially for his size. We'll see what he does at the pro day.

(03-05-2022, 11:39 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: You and I have very different grading systems for players. I place very little emphasis on the Combine. 90% of what I rate on is based upon on field production and scheme fits. To each their own though.

It depends on the position. There are some positions where athleticism is vital and some where it's not as important. TE is one where athleticism is extremely important, especially straight line speed and explosion.
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(03-05-2022, 11:48 AM)Upper Wrote:
(03-05-2022, 11:42 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: McBride was a big loser?  Lol.

Most said he looked like the vest TE at combine and cemented his case to being the first TE selected.

I don't care how a guy looks in underwear running the gaunlet and skeletons. Remember how small Tebow looked compared to our already bad TE corps? McBride is the same size.

Then he went out and posted just ok jumps and skipped the 40 and agility drills. As I've said, athletic testing corrolates more to production at TE than any other skill position...and so far he is subpar especially for his size. We'll see what he does at the pro day.

(03-05-2022, 11:39 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: You and I have very different grading systems for players. I place very little emphasis on the Combine. 90% of what I rate on is based upon on field production and scheme fits. To each their own though.

It depends on the position. There are some positions where athleticism is vital and some where it's not as important. TE is one where athleticism is extremely important, especially straight line speed and explosion.

McBride is actually pretty good for his size (crazy even having to say that, he's [BLEEP] 6'4, 260). The majority of his production came out of the traditional stance and he was good as a blocker as well at the LOS. I think he's going to be solid at the next level. I think he's honestly going to be a slightly better version of Heath Miller for the next ten years. If he's on the board at 33 he has to be in the conversation. 

Here's a good breakdown and interview with him. Shows a lot of maturity and wanting to get better at his position with returning back to school, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Devpa11W-ZI
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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."
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Subtract and inch and 15 lbs from that. He was a good blocker vs mountain west defenders...who knows how he'll fare vs NFL defenders. The list of successful TE as small as McBride is extremely short. Bet on outliers at your own risk.

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(03-05-2022, 12:26 PM)Upper Wrote: Subtract and inch and 15 lbs from that. He was a good blocker vs mountain west defenders...who knows how he'll fare vs NFL defenders. The list of successful TE as small as McBride is extremely short. Bet on outliers at your own risk.

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He'll put 15 pounds on leading into the football season. A lot of guys fluctuate during the off season. It's not unusual. Especially for skill position players. He's 6'4 to 6'5 in cleats. LOL. He's also an all around athlete. Pretty good at basketball and baseball. Telling you. Go back and look at some of Heath Miller's college highlights and Steelers highlights. That's Trey McBride.

Kelce is 6'5. Kittle is 6'4. Henry is 6'5. Goedert is 6'5. 

I think you have to consider him with Arnold in Pederson's offense as a viable duo. I wouldn't be against them drafting Woods, Dulcich, Bellinger or Kollar as well. If Wydermyer has a good pro day and Woods and Dulcich leap frog McBride in the overall TE rankings? I would be thrilled to take him with pick 65. Wouldn't hesitate.
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(03-05-2022, 12:35 PM)Caldrac Wrote: He'll put 15 pounds on leading into the football season. A lot of guys fluctuate during the off season. It's not unusual. Especially for skill position players. He's 6'4 to 6'5 in cleats. LOL. He's also an all around athlete. Pretty good at basketball and baseball. Telling you. Go back and look at some of Heath Miller's college highlights and Steelers highlights. That's Trey McBride.

Kelce is 6'5. Kittle is 6'4. Henry is 6'5. Goedert is 6'5. 

I think you have to consider him with Arnold in Pederson's offense as a viable duo. I wouldn't be against them drafting Woods, Dulcich, Bellinger or Kollar as well. If Wydermyer has a good pro day and Woods and Dulcich leap frog McBride in the overall TE rankings? I would be thrilled to take him with pick 65. Wouldn't hesitate.

1. If he is going to add those 15 lbs back to bulk up to play the position then shouldn't he have used this period of lightness to run his 40 and agility drills?

2. 2 inches is a big difference. Also, all of those guys were bigger, heavier, and still significantly outjumped McBride while also putting up great tests otherwise while McBride's run/agility are still question marks.

3. McBride is even worse when you think of him as being paired with Arnold. Arnold is an awful blocker who is not effective inline, so McBride would have to be the inline guy...and I don't think he can do that regularly either.
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(03-05-2022, 11:48 AM)Upper Wrote:
(03-05-2022, 11:42 AM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: McBride was a big loser?  Lol.

Most said he looked like the vest TE at combine and cemented his case to being the first TE selected.

I don't care how a guy looks in underwear running the gaunlet and skeletons. Remember how small Tebow looked compared to our already bad TE corps? McBride is the same size.

Then he went out and posted just ok jumps and skipped the 40 and agility drills. As I've said, athletic testing corrolates more to production at TE than any other skill position...and so far he is subpar especially for his size. We'll see what he does at the pro day.

(03-05-2022, 11:39 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: You and I have very different grading systems for players. I place very little emphasis on the Combine. 90% of what I rate on is based upon on field production and scheme fits. To each their own though.

It depends on the position. There are some positions where athleticism is vital and some where it's not as important. TE is one where athleticism is extremely important, especially straight line speed and explosion.

If you don't care about how a guy ooks in underwear running a gauntlet watch him in a game
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(03-05-2022, 12:14 PM)Caldrac Wrote:
(03-05-2022, 11:48 AM)Upper Wrote: I don't care how a guy looks in underwear running the gaunlet and skeletons. Remember how small Tebow looked compared to our already bad TE corps? McBride is the same size.

Then he went out and posted just ok jumps and skipped the 40 and agility drills. As I've said, athletic testing corrolates more to production at TE than any other skill position...and so far he is subpar especially for his size. We'll see what he does at the pro day.


It depends on the position. There are some positions where athleticism is vital and some where it's not as important. TE is one where athleticism is extremely important, especially straight line speed and explosion.

McBride is actually pretty good for his size (crazy even having to say that, he's [BLEEP] 6'4, 260). The majority of his production came out of the traditional stance and he was good as a blocker as well at the LOS. I think he's going to be solid at the next level. I think he's honestly going to be a slightly better version of Heath Miller for the next ten years. If he's on the board at 33 he has to be in the conversation. 

Here's a good breakdown and interview with him. Shows a lot of maturity and wanting to get better at his position with returning back to school, etc.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Devpa11W-ZI

Agreed
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Another comparable? Dallas Clark? 6-3, 250. He carved out a pretty good career.
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McBride was 6'4"
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(03-05-2022, 03:45 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(03-04-2022, 09:40 PM)Caldrac Wrote: Would be happy with McBride, Woods, Dulcich, Bellinger or Likely. Want to see what Wydermyer does at his pro day. Hopefully Ferguson looks better at his pro day as well. His 3 cone drill was better than his 40. Maybe he's more quick than fast.

Woods seems well balanced with straight speed and strength. Bellinger has great speed for a guy considered a better run blocker than receiver. Untapped potential there probably. Dulcich was well rounded. McBride was the most smooth in his route running and breaking out of his routes.

Calcaterra is a sleeper though. Would take him in RD4 or RD5.

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Personally, I have the TE's ranked this way......

1. Tre McBride
2. Jelani Woods
3. Isaiah Likely
4. Jake Ferguson
5. Greg Dulcich
6. Derrick Deese
7. Charlie Kolar
8. Cole Turner
9. Grant Calcaterra
10. Lucas Krull
11. Jalen Wydermeyer
12. Gerrit Prince
13. Austin Allen
14. Cade Otton
15. Chigoziem Okonkwo

If we get one of the guys from the top 7 on this board, I'd be stoked!

When did you move Woods ahead of Likely?  Yesterday, after Likely didn't run?
 

Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!





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