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#41

Little needs to start this season and cam in there too. Jags need to shuffle the best line they can. Taylor needs to drop his pride and move to right guard.
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#42

(03-09-2022, 02:13 AM)Eric1 Wrote:
(03-09-2022, 02:05 AM)CanDoBetter Wrote: The team disagrees. Little is the LT backup next year. 

This doesn't change anything regarding the draft. They could still take Neal at 1.

Who says Little is the backup LT next year?

And what a mistake it would be to still take Neal, or any OT #1 overall now.. But this is the Jags we're talking about and they love making a mess out of things.

Until they announce they're switching Little to RT he is the LT backup. Everyone here seems so sure they will move either Cam or Little to RT but until the team says so it's just speculation with no basis in reality.
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#43
(This post was last modified: 03-09-2022, 04:04 AM by TheO-LineMatters.)

(03-08-2022, 09:05 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote:
(03-08-2022, 08:40 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: You can’t be calling OLine out because you thought Taylor was going to have his best year yet this past season. The only reason you have these feelings about Taylor is because he went to Florida.

At this point, we know who Taylor is. He’s a very below average and slow tackle. Don’t care if he’s here or not because he won’t be starting on this team next year.

Did I say he was good?    He won't be starting but sometimes there are injuries. A lot of players have career years in a contract year.  It would be stupid to cut him before we see him with the new staff being he's still on a rookie deal

(03-08-2022, 08:06 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: I'll let him compete, but I'm making sure I find upgrades, so his chances to make the team are slim to none. He's too slow getting off the snap. He always has been.


There was a major difference between the Cam Robinson situation last season and now. Last year's OT class was much stronger and deeper than it is this year. We had other options. This year we don't. Cam is the best of a bad situation and it's just for one year. He's a band-aid.
It doesn't matter, you wanted to cut him and he Cam was much better than the guy you wanted to draft

Based on what? His rookie season? Look at Andrew Thomas of the Giants. He had a horrible rookie season at LT and he turned things around last season and become a top 10 LT in the NFL. You cannot judge LT's based on their rookie year. Any seasoned football fan knows that.

(03-08-2022, 11:03 PM)Preach Wrote: I'd still draft Neal and put him at RT potentially. Having solid players to pick from on the Oline is never a bad thing.

It is when he's not even one of the top 3 players in the draft and we have the #1 overall pick. That would be a terrible move.

(03-09-2022, 01:52 AM)Eric1 Wrote:
(03-08-2022, 11:03 PM)Preach Wrote: I'd still draft Neal and put him at RT potentially. Having solid players to pick from on the Oline is never a bad thing.

So then you're already giving up on a 23 year old Walker Little (turns 23 in April) who was drafted #45 overall in this past draft, or you're wasting $17m on Cam to sit on the bench?

Who said we're wasting anything? This gives us 2 viable starting Tackles going into the season and allows us to sit Jawaan Taylor on the bench, which automatically makes us better. It also keeps us from having to reach for an OT in the early rounds of a draft with a very weak OT class.
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#44
(This post was last modified: 03-09-2022, 04:06 AM by TheO-LineMatters.)

(03-09-2022, 02:05 AM)CanDoBetter Wrote:
(03-09-2022, 01:00 AM)navyjagfan Wrote: Dumb move, Walker Little is already better than Cam.

The team disagrees. Little is the LT backup next year. 

This doesn't change anything regarding the draft. They could still take Neal at 1.

?????? Says who? He's either gonna start at LT or RT, most likely with Cam Robinson as the other starter. This is a signal that we are taking a DE/OLB at #1.
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#45

(03-09-2022, 04:00 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(03-08-2022, 09:05 PM)flgatorsandjags Wrote: Did I say he was good?    He won't be starting but sometimes there are injuries. A lot of players have career years in a contract year.  It would be stupid to cut him before we see him with the new staff being he's still on a rookie deal

It doesn't matter, you wanted to cut him and he Cam was much better than the guy you wanted to draft

Based on what? His rookie season? Look at Andrew Thomas of the Giants. He had a horrible rookie season at LT and he turned things around last season and become a top 10 LT in the NFL. You cannot judge LT's based on their rookie year. Any seasoned football fan knows that.

(03-08-2022, 11:03 PM)Preach Wrote: I'd still draft Neal and put him at RT potentially. Having solid players to pick from on the Oline is never a bad thing.

It is when he's not even one of the top 3 players in the draft and we have the #1 overall pick. That would be a terrible move.

(03-09-2022, 01:52 AM)Eric1 Wrote: So then you're already giving up on a 23 year old Walker Little (turns 23 in April) who was drafted #45 overall in this past draft, or you're wasting $17m on Cam to sit on the bench?

Who said we're wasting anything? This gives us 2 viable starting Tackles going into the season and allows us to sit Jawaan Taylor on the bench, which automatically makes us better. It also keeps us from having to reach for an OT in the early rounds of a draft with a very weak OT class.

I was clearly talking about if we draft Neal, or another OT #1 overall now. It'll mean we'll be giving up on Little already, or wasting $$ on Cam to bench him.
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#46

(03-09-2022, 04:33 AM)Eric1 Wrote:
(03-09-2022, 04:00 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: Based on what? His rookie season? Look at Andrew Thomas of the Giants. He had a horrible rookie season at LT and he turned things around last season and become a top 10 LT in the NFL. You cannot judge LT's based on their rookie year. Any seasoned football fan knows that.


It is when he's not even one of the top 3 players in the draft and we have the #1 overall pick. That would be a terrible move.


Who said we're wasting anything? This gives us 2 viable starting Tackles going into the season and allows us to sit Jawaan Taylor on the bench, which automatically makes us better. It also keeps us from having to reach for an OT in the early rounds of a draft with a very weak OT class.

I was clearly talking about if we draft Neal, or another OT #1 overall now. It'll mean we'll be giving up on Little already, or wasting $$ on Cam to bench him.

Sorry, I misunderstood. I agree. I think with the way things have played out, we have to go DE/OLB at #1, if we don't trade out of the spot.
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(This post was last modified: 03-09-2022, 04:50 AM by Eric1.)

(03-09-2022, 04:35 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(03-09-2022, 04:33 AM)Eric1 Wrote: I was clearly talking about if we draft Neal, or another OT #1 overall now. It'll mean we'll be giving up on Little already, or wasting $$ on Cam to bench him.

Sorry, I misunderstood. I agree. I think with the way things have played out, we have to go DE/OLB at #1, if we don't trade out of the spot.

Agreed 100%, it's gotta be Edge #1, or a trade down.
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#48

My favorite thing about Csm is his run blocking. When healthy he's one of the nastier run blockers in the league. Keeping him is good for ET and J Rob
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#49
(This post was last modified: 03-09-2022, 09:22 AM by Mikey.)

(03-08-2022, 07:12 PM)Upper Wrote: In like 4 games Little showed more than Robinson has in 5 seasons. It probably wont be, but it absolutely should be Little LT and Cam RT.

eh.....

I still keep the competition open. Little played some RT as well last year, and as stated before, Robinson held his own in his time at the position, too. I can't say that Little was the next franchise LT based on the limited time he played there. You're right that there is a very distinct possibility that they flip LT/RT, especially if they feel a need to justify the repeat tag.

(03-08-2022, 07:56 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:
(03-08-2022, 07:07 PM)NoShoes Wrote: I’m almost tempted Little at LT, Robinson RT, and give Taylor a shot at guard.

I'd show Taylor the door. He's useless. In fact, he's a major liability.

I took it to mean Taylor would be relegated to overnight security.
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(This post was last modified: 03-09-2022, 09:38 AM by Jaguarmeister. Edited 6 times in total.)

(03-08-2022, 09:40 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote:
(03-08-2022, 08:19 PM)Upper Wrote: Another major difference is that a large part, if not majority, of Cam's improvement can be attributed to Trevor's already advanced pocket skills. Jawaan got the Trevor bump last year too, yet he stayed extremely subpar.

Ha!  No one else mentioned it so I will.  TL’s pocket skills are one of his main development areas.  He takes off far too often, throwing on the fly.  This is a symptom of his poor field reading skills which force him to wait for developments rather than better anticipating his chances (and staying in the pocket to execute).  Pat Mahomes he ain’t.  TL needs to learn pocket skills something fierce and I’m hoping this QB coach they hired, who has an impressive resume for a QB coach, is just the guy to teach him.

This is not what I recall watching his season last year.  The one thing that made me confident we had the right guy was the fact that he did stand tall in the pocket and go through his progressions and keep his eyes down field even under significant pressure at times.  I've seen QBs that bolt from the pocket consistently way too early or roll out way too much which minimizes where they can throw the ball.  That's not what I remember about Trevor last year.  Did he have some accuracy issues?  Sure.  Did he have some timing issues with the receivers?  Sure.  Did his receivers let him down with drops more than they should have as well?  Absolutely.  His pocket awareness was not an issue from what I could see though.

He's got legs when he needs them. I would argue that we might've had more immediate team success had he been quicker to take off, but I'm fine with the fact that he didn't and generally stayed in the pocket so that he doesn't rely on that ability too much as a crutch which stunts his development as a pocket passer.
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#51

(03-08-2022, 08:23 PM)jaguarmvp Wrote: My major Concern.

Lets just say Little does not secure the LT spot and we ride with Cam.  Cam has another decent year like this past season.  We either have to give him a major contract or we are on the hunt for a LT.  I don't believe a player is allowed to get Tagged 3 times.

That would be horrible to have to pay a guy who played well at a premium position.

I mean, I get that this is a foreign concept to Jags fans, but it's probably the best concern a team could have to deal with.
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#52

(03-09-2022, 01:00 AM)navyjagfan Wrote: Dumb move, Walker Little is already better than Cam.

...whether or not that is the case, there's still a hole at RT and Little's endurance starting for an entire season is unknown.
We have Little AND Taylor AND Bartch all on rookie deals. Injuries will happen on the line, and we know Cam can hold his own. Even if it's just to enhance our depth, it's not a franchise-crippling move.

@Not like we just gave him 50M a year for four years@
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#53

If they truely feel Cam is a one year band aid and best of the situation, let him do that at RT.

I don’t mind the tag. Very possible they don’t like either tackle prospect enough over Hutch and didn’t like the odds of upgrading in free agency.

Go into next year needing to find a RT is easier than finding a LT if Little pans out (which I think he will)
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#54
(This post was last modified: 03-09-2022, 09:34 AM by Mikey.)

(03-09-2022, 02:13 AM)Eric1 Wrote:
(03-09-2022, 02:05 AM)CanDoBetter Wrote: The team disagrees. Little is the LT backup next year. 

This doesn't change anything regarding the draft. They could still take Neal at 1.

Who says Little is the backup LT next year?

And what a mistake it would be to still take Neal, or any OT #1 overall now.. But this is the Jags we're talking about and they love making a mess out of things.

/raises glass
hear, hear!
Truth hurts, but man is this true.

(03-09-2022, 02:34 AM)Jag88 Wrote: Little needs to start this season and cam in there too. Jags need to shuffle the best line they can. Taylor needs to drop his pride and move to right guard.

...is the Speed Stick not working? I guess that's why everyone keeps saying he stinks.
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#55

(03-09-2022, 03:15 AM)CanDoBetter Wrote:
(03-09-2022, 02:13 AM)Eric1 Wrote: Who says Little is the backup LT next year?

And what a mistake it would be to still take Neal, or any OT #1 overall now.. But this is the Jags we're talking about and they love making a mess out of things.

Until they announce they're switching Little to RT he is the LT backup. Everyone here seems so sure they will move either Cam or Little to RT but until the team says so it's just speculation with no basis in reality.

I would think that unless we darft someone else, Little and Cam start at each tackle position. If the LT goes down, the other shifts over and then the depth fills in at RT. I think the difference between either Cam or Little and Taylor is way too significant to leave one of them on the bench.
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#56

Jags need a strong O-line to protect Trevor. we need as many offensivve lineman as we can get that can be starters,or in this case starters who can be great back ups if we have oline people get hurt.  

If jags got a go to WR if our O-line can't block for Trevor no way the WR catches the ball cause Trevor wo't have time to throw.




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(This post was last modified: 03-09-2022, 10:29 AM by Upper.)

(03-09-2022, 09:21 AM)Mikey Wrote:
(03-08-2022, 07:12 PM)Upper Wrote: In like 4 games Little showed more than Robinson has in 5 seasons. It probably wont be, but it absolutely should be Little LT and Cam RT.

eh.....

I still keep the competition open. Little played some RT as well last year, and as stated before, Robinson held his own in his time at the position, too. I can't say that Little was the next franchise LT based on the limited time he played there. You're right that there is a very distinct possibility that they flip LT/RT, especially if they feel a need to justify the repeat tag.

The reason I don't leave it up to competition is because neither of them have played RT and it's going to take time to make the transition. They need to start doing that now.

It's going to be extremely worrisome if we're playing preseason games and they are alternating starts/series at LT to see who is going to be playing there long term.
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#58

(03-09-2022, 09:21 AM)Mikey Wrote:
(03-08-2022, 07:12 PM)Upper Wrote: In like 4 games Little showed more than Robinson has in 5 seasons. It probably wont be, but it absolutely should be Little LT and Cam RT.

eh.....

I still keep the competition open. Little played some RT as well last year, and as stated before, Robinson held his own in his time at the position, too. I can't say that Little was the next franchise LT based on the limited time he played there. You're right that there is a very distinct possibility that they flip LT/RT, especially if they feel a need to justify the repeat tag.

(03-08-2022, 07:56 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: I'd show Taylor the door. He's useless. In fact, he's a major liability.

I took it to mean Taylor would be relegated to overnight security.

I would too. Make them earn it. Put the best combination on the field and that will be determined by healthy competition.
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#59

(03-08-2022, 09:40 PM)OzJohnnie Wrote:
(03-08-2022, 08:19 PM)Upper Wrote: Another major difference is that a large part, if not majority, of Cam's improvement can be attributed to Trevor's already advanced pocket skills. Jawaan got the Trevor bump last year too, yet he stayed extremely subpar.

Ha!  No one else mentioned it so I will.  TL’s pocket skills are one of his main development areas.  He takes off far too often, throwing on the fly.  This is a symptom of his poor field reading skills which force him to wait for developments rather than better anticipating his chances (and staying in the pocket to execute).  Pat Mahomes he ain’t.  TL needs to learn pocket skills something fierce and I’m hoping this QB coach they hired, who has an impressive resume for a QB coach, is just the guy to teach him.

"TL needs to learn pocket skills" is something that I definately disagree/w. His pocket prescience is as good as any rookie QB and most vets. He'll definately get better in all categories.

Time Will Tell.

NH3...
"AZANE"
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#60

W/Cam tagged, Linder as the anchor and the addition of Scherff the OL is coming along. Will Cann and Taylor reclaim their positions?

Time Will Tell.

NH3...
"AZANE"
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