I caught a ton of flack on this board last year for calling out Lawrence's bad play.   Sure he had the Indy game and Sure he had some Wow moments throughout the season.  The entire body of work on the other hand was bad for a 1st overall pick.   Lawrence suffered from very inconsistent accuracy most of the year combined with his lack of touch on the ball.   It wasn't until the Colts game that I actually seen him lob a pass to a rb instead of 500mph bullets.   I was kinda on the fence about his future but brighter days maybe ahead.

Looks like Pederson saw many of the same Lawrence struggles and decided its time to rebuild him from the ground up.  He is treating this season as Lawrence rookie year so that should get us all excited.  If he was able to turn Wentz into an MVP candidate and win a Superbowl  With Nick Foles the man knows his stuff.     Good stuff in this interview

https://youtu.be/MoKmdoFgSW0

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Yeah I think you were the only other person besides myself without the teal sunglasses on last year. I'm still extremely shocked that we got the coach I actually wanted and am very excited to see what he can do with Trevor.

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Get a room you two.

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Get a room you two.

i like your avatar cutie

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Rookie quarterbacks on bad teams almost always struggle, even the ones who are now in the Hall of Fame.  A lot of today's great QBs didn't even see the field in their rookie year.  Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes right off the top of my head didn't even play at all their rookie year.  I think Tom Brady hardly played at all his rookie year.  Others who did play struggled mightily and still wound up in the Hall of Fame. 

But I have no doubt that last year's experience will serve Trevor well.  17 games of NFL experience will have taught him a lot.  He's seen NFL speed, NFL defensive backs, NFL pass rush, and he now knows what a bad pass route looks like, and he knows some of his own flaws.  And, he has tape of himself that he and his new coaches can study. 

Of course, Trevor's "flaws" were magnified by the dysfunction around him, to the point where he deserves this re-boot with competent coaches and a better supporting cast. 

As for the assertion that "The entire body of work on the other hand was bad for a 1st overall pick..." I think that's bull [BLEEP].  Go back and look at other QBs who were picked first overall.  The only one I can think of who had any success his rookie year was Andrew Luck, and he had a competent coaching staff and a much better team around him.

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Agreed a rookie qb struggling is nothing to panic over,. Justin Herbert had a pretty solid rookie season however recently for the chargers.

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Rookie quarterbacks on bad teams almost always struggle, even the ones who are now in the Hall of Fame.  A lot of today's great QBs didn't even see the field in their rookie year.  Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes right off the top of my head didn't even play at all their rookie year.  I think Tom Brady hardly played at all his rookie year.  Others who did play struggled mightily and still wound up in the Hall of Fame. 

But I have no doubt that last year's experience will serve Trevor well.  17 games of NFL experience will have taught him a lot.  He's seen NFL speed, NFL defensive backs, NFL pass rush, and he now knows what a bad pass route looks like, and he knows some of his own flaws.  And, he has tape of himself that he and his new coaches can study. 

Of course, Trevor's "flaws" were magnified by the dysfunction around him, to the point where he deserves this re-boot with competent coaches and a better supporting cast. 

As for the assertion that "The entire body of work on the other hand was bad for a 1st overall pick..." I think that's bull [BLEEP].  Go back and look at other QBs who were picked first overall.  The only one I can think of who had any success his rookie year was Andrew Luck, and he had a competent coaching staff and a much better team around him.

It's humorous. If anyone on this board has license to do some bragging about seeing a disaster coming it's me regarding Urban, but what would even be the point of trying to judge Trevor after what the team did to him last year?

He was like a diamond in a pile of [BLEEP]. If you couldn't see his luster it's because you don't understand how to view what he was doing. I see Trevor as having been failed by Khan, not as having failed the team.

In a few years Urban will look even worse when Trevor is tearing things up.

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Herbert had a functional team around him as he got his footing.

Huge difference

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Rookie QB, struggled with the worst coach, worst WR corps, bad TE group, and bad oline with 2 or 3 starters down the majority of the time. Shocking. Oh year and number 1 WR down week 3 and 1st round draft pick/ college teammate down in the first preseason game

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Rookie quarterbacks on bad teams almost always struggle, even the ones who are now in the Hall of Fame.  A lot of today's great QBs didn't even see the field in their rookie year.  Aaron Rodgers and Patrick Mahomes right off the top of my head didn't even play at all their rookie year.  I think Tom Brady hardly played at all his rookie year.  Others who did play struggled mightily and still wound up in the Hall of Fame. 

But I have no doubt that last year's experience will serve Trevor well.  17 games of NFL experience will have taught him a lot.  He's seen NFL speed, NFL defensive backs, NFL pass rush, and he now knows what a bad pass route looks like, and he knows some of his own flaws.  And, he has tape of himself that he and his new coaches can study. 

Of course, Trevor's "flaws" were magnified by the dysfunction around him, to the point where he deserves this re-boot with competent coaches and a better supporting cast. 

As for the assertion that "The entire body of work on the other hand was bad for a 1st overall pick..." I think that's bull [BLEEP].  Go back and look at other QBs who were picked first overall.  The only one I can think of who had any success his rookie year was Andrew Luck, and he had a competent coaching staff and a much better team around him.

It's humorous. If anyone on this board has license to do some bragging about seeing a disaster coming it's me regarding Urban, but what would even be the point of trying to judge Trevor after what the team did to him last year?

He was like a diamond in a pile of [BLEEP]. If you couldn't see his luster it's because you don't understand how to view what he was doing. I see Trevor as having been failed by Khan, not as having failed the team.

In a few years Urban will look even worse when Trevor is tearing things up.

Ahem...

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It's humorous. If anyone on this board has license to do some bragging about seeing a disaster coming it's me regarding Urban, but what would even be the point of trying to judge Trevor after what the team did to him last year?

He was like a diamond in a pile of [BLEEP]. If you couldn't see his luster it's because you don't understand how to view what he was doing. I see Trevor as having been failed by Khan, not as having failed the team.

In a few years Urban will look even worse when Trevor is tearing things up.

Ahem...

Hell, a lot of us saw that.

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I caught a ton of flack on this board last year for calling out Lawrence's bad play.   Sure he had the Indy game and Sure he had some Wow moments throughout the season.  The entire body of work on the other hand was bad for a 1st overall pick.   Lawrence suffered from very inconsistent accuracy most of the year combined with his lack of touch on the ball.   It wasn't until the Colts game that I actually seen him lob a pass to a rb instead of 500mph bullets.   I was kinda on the fence about his future but brighter days maybe ahead.

Looks like Pederson saw many of the same Lawrence struggles and decided its time to rebuild him from the ground up.  He is treating this season as Lawrence rookie year so that should get us all excited.  If he was able to turn Wentz into an MVP candidate and win a Superbowl  With Nick Foles the man knows his stuff.     Good stuff in this interview

https://youtu.be/MoKmdoFgSW0

To clairfy, you did not catch a ton of flack for calling out his bad play. It was for calling him horrendous three games into his career. Unrealistic expectations were your downfall, the rest of us knew development was going to take time.

I don't know that we need to rebuild from the ground up, but if anything the offense itself needed drastic retooling. TLaw is absolutely a prime cog in that system, and has shown that he can adapt and do well with decent guidance.

This may also be a signal to the impatient fans out there (wink, OP) that immediate results may appear "horrendous", as some might say. Give it time before heading to the Modis. Young team, new coach, there will be some missteps along the way. That's ok.

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Rookie QB, struggled with the worst coach, worst WR corps, bad TE group, and bad oline with 2 or 3 starters down the majority of the time.  Shocking.  Oh year and number 1 WR down week 3 and 1st round draft pick/ college teammate down in the first preseason game

...remember when we thought WR was one of our strengths?

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Ahem...

Hell, a lot of us saw that.

....including Ray Charles' corpse.

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This whole [BLEEP] offense is going to be rebuilt from the ground up. I think next week you're looking at a strong push to add a minimum of 6 - 8 new faces on offense. WR, OT, TE & RB are going to be getting a face lift. It may not be the player(s) you want. But, they'll be looking for sure.

I think defensively they'll be looking at maybe 3 - 4 players that they really think can make an impact at DE, ILB and CB and then the rest of the work has to get done in April. Hutchinson at this point should be the pick of the first round. I think the second round is really going to be a toss up or coin flip. Strictly dependent upon what happens at the WR position on the opening night of the draft.

RD3 I think is where a lot of work will get done as far as adding quality depth and starting potential to jump in wherever they fell short in the market or where they know they're going to have to move on soon from somebody personnel wise (Robinson, Taylor, Linder, etc.)

Should be fun. Just don't expect too many big, flashy names picked up. The market is already drying up after the tags were set in place. Which was expected.

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I caught a ton of flack on this board last year for calling out Lawrence's bad play.   Sure he had the Indy game and Sure he had some Wow moments throughout the season.  The entire body of work on the other hand was bad for a 1st overall pick.   Lawrence suffered from very inconsistent accuracy most of the year combined with his lack of touch on the ball.   It wasn't until the Colts game that I actually seen him lob a pass to a rb instead of 500mph bullets.   I was kinda on the fence about his future but brighter days maybe ahead.

Looks like Pederson saw many of the same Lawrence struggles and decided its time to rebuild him from the ground up.  He is treating this season as Lawrence rookie year so that should get us all excited.  If he was able to turn Wentz into an MVP candidate and win a Superbowl  With Nick Foles the man knows his stuff.     Good stuff in this interview

https://youtu.be/MoKmdoFgSW0

You're a loser.

No one said he was amazing last year but you and OZdork labeled him a bust.

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Don't expect much... Baalke says hi. But yeah no worries in my mind about Trevor.

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Fans deserve better. Thanks for all the good times too many are in the past.

I caught a ton of flack on this board last year for calling out Lawrence's bad play.   Sure he had the Indy game and Sure he had some Wow moments throughout the season.  The entire body of work on the other hand was bad for a 1st overall pick.   Lawrence suffered from very inconsistent accuracy most of the year combined with his lack of touch on the ball.   It wasn't until the Colts game that I actually seen him lob a pass to a rb instead of 500mph bullets.   I was kinda on the fence about his future but brighter days maybe ahead.

Looks like Pederson saw many of the same Lawrence struggles and decided its time to rebuild him from the ground up.  He is treating this season as Lawrence rookie year so that should get us all excited.  If he was able to turn Wentz into an MVP candidate and win a Superbowl  With Nick Foles the man knows his stuff.     Good stuff in this interview

https://youtu.be/MoKmdoFgSW0

You're a loser.

No one said he was amazing last year but you and OZdork labeled him a bust.

B*L*O*C*K*E*D

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I just have to thank God that Urb and Bevell didn't get Trevor killed last season. I mean, who the heck devises a game plan to come out with a rookie QB on game 1 throwing like crazy when you have one of the best RBs in the backfield from the prior year. Hence the early development of Mac Jones (good coaching) and the erratic play of Trevor

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I just have to thank God that Urb and Bevell didn't get Trevor killed last season.  I mean, who the heck devises a game plan to come out with a rookie QB on game 1 throwing like crazy when you have one of the best RBs in the backfield from the prior year.  Hence the early development of Mac Jones (good coaching) and the erratic play of Trevor

Bevell, at least, is the one who preserved Trevor. Don't lump him in with Meyer, that's careless.

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I just have to thank God that Urb and Bevell didn't get Trevor killed last season.  I mean, who the heck devises a game plan to come out with a rookie QB on game 1 throwing like crazy when you have one of the best RBs in the backfield from the prior year.  Hence the early development of Mac Jones (good coaching) and the erratic play of Trevor

Bevell, at least, is the one who preserved Trevor. Don't lump him in with Meyer, that's careless.

Not surprised at all by what Pederson is saying since Bevell and Meyer did such a crappy job with Trevor. Both guys were stupid awful for Trevor... well, and for the whole team really.

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I caught a ton of flack on this board last year for calling out Lawrence's bad play.   Sure he had the Indy game and Sure he had some Wow moments throughout the season.  The entire body of work on the other hand was bad for a 1st overall pick.   Lawrence suffered from very inconsistent accuracy most of the year combined with his lack of touch on the ball.   It wasn't until the Colts game that I actually seen him lob a pass to a rb instead of 500mph bullets.   I was kinda on the fence about his future but brighter days maybe ahead.

Looks like Pederson saw many of the same Lawrence struggles and decided its time to rebuild him from the ground up.  He is treating this season as Lawrence rookie year so that should get us all excited.  If he was able to turn Wentz into an MVP candidate and win a Superbowl  With Nick Foles the man knows his stuff.     Good stuff in this interview

https://youtu.be/MoKmdoFgSW0

Really nice interview. I must have missed the part where he said TL played horrendous, body of work was bad and he was a bust. My take was he needs to know just what TL knows and doesn't know. That is why he is starting from ground level. Pretty sound process since we have a new coaching staff and none of them have a lot of time with him.

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