Hahahaha

My bad. I'll delete because I 100% didn't see it. 

I also didn't know Watson was 23 years old....

He's not, hes 22.  Hes less than a year older than Dotson.  That's a good thing imo.  A more matured WR for Trev and I don't think will take as long to develop

I guess I should have clarified. He will be 23 when he plays in the league whereas someone like Jamo is turning 21 tomorrow and London doesn't turn 21 until July.

Watson used his elite athleticism to basically just outrun and jump weak competition. Not to mention he was older than a lot of the people he played against. He's not a good route runner because has hasn't needed to be. He's 23 and I'm not even sure he would help Trevor out in year 1.  He's mature in age but he's far from mature as a WR.

I'm not saying I would be against Watson but not sure I would take him at 33. They need an immediate playmaker at 33.

I'm still in the "trade up for Jamo" camp (as are numerous posters on this board). Jamos tape is the best in this class.

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Maybe I would miss out on him, but I'm sticking to my draft board. Reaching is what put us in the situation we are in now. I cannot believe how many players we have completely whiffed on in recent drafts. We have to turn this thing around at some point. Don't we? I kinda feel like we are doomed to be stuck in this infinite loop of selecting the wrong players. Maybe I'm just being cynical due to years of watching this team crash and burn, but I just don't feel very good about this draft. I have a bad feeling we're gonna do something stupid.

I'm not forcing his pick either. I would rather go Jelani at 65 and one of the LB or Diesch or something at 70.

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He's not, hes 22.  Hes less than a year older than Dotson.  That's a good thing imo.  A more matured WR for Trev and I don't think will take as long to develop

I guess I should have clarified. He will be 23 when he plays in the league whereas someone like Jamo is turning 21 tomorrow and London doesn't turn 21 until July.

Watson used his elite athleticism to basically just outrun and jump weak competition. Not to mention he was older than a lot of the people he played against. He's not a good route runner because has hasn't needed to be. He's 23 and I'm not even sure he would help Trevor out in year 1.  He's mature in age but he's far from mature as a WR.

I'm not saying I would be against Watson but not sure I would take him at 33. They need an immediate playmaker at 33.

I'm still in the "trade up for Jamo" camp (as are numerous posters on this board). Jamos tape is the best in this class.

I disagree, I think he could be a huge help for Trev in year 1.  So his age is an issue to but Dotson isn't when they are less than a year apart?  Hutch will be 22 when the regular season starts, is that a issue now?

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I guess I should have clarified. He will be 23 when he plays in the league whereas someone like Jamo is turning 21 tomorrow and London doesn't turn 21 until July.

Watson used his elite athleticism to basically just outrun and jump weak competition. Not to mention he was older than a lot of the people he played against. He's not a good route runner because has hasn't needed to be. He's 23 and I'm not even sure he would help Trevor out in year 1.  He's mature in age but he's far from mature as a WR.

I'm not saying I would be against Watson but not sure I would take him at 33. They need an immediate playmaker at 33.

I'm still in the "trade up for Jamo" camp (as are numerous posters on this board). Jamos tape is the best in this class.

I disagree, I think he could be a huge help for Trev in year 1.  So his age is an issue to but Dotson isn't when they are less than a year apart?  Hutch will be 22 when the regular season starts, is that a issue now?

I'm not saying it's a clear deal breaker but it's something to be aware of if you're choosing between a couple of players. 

As far as Hutch goes, that could be a factor as to why Travon Walker is getting a lot of buzz. Walker won't be 22 until December.

I'm not taking Watson off my board but I don't think I'm taking him at 33.

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If you're 23 you need to be as ready to have an impact as someone like Devonte Wyatt is. You cannot be 23 and as raw as Watson is. He's going to be 25 by time he's ready to have an impact for us.

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If you're 23 you need to be as ready to have an impact as someone like Devonte Wyatt is. You cannot be 23 and as raw as Watson is. He's going to be 25 by time he's ready to have an impact for us.

I disagree, I think he could be a huge help for Trev this year with NFL coaching.  He has never had the type of coaching at NDST.  I think Watson will make more of an impact than Wyatt will this year.  Wyatt had the luxury of Davis and Walker on each side of him

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Well that's just ridiculous to think.

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If you're 23 you need to be as ready to have an impact as someone like Devonte Wyatt is. You cannot be 23 and as raw as Watson is. He's going to be 25 by time he's ready to have an impact for us.

I disagree, I think he could be a huge help for Trev this year with NFL coaching.  He has never had the type of coaching at NDST.  I think Watson will make more of an impact than Wyatt will this year.  Wyatt had the luxury of Davis and Walker on each side of him

2 months of coaching is not going to help him become the router runner he needs to be and help him with his drops.

He has a high drop% and he is a poor router runner. He's a great athlete but that may be all he is.

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I disagree, I think he could be a huge help for Trev this year with NFL coaching.  He has never had the type of coaching at NDST.  I think Watson will make more of an impact than Wyatt will this year.  Wyatt had the luxury of Davis and Walker on each side of him

2 months of coaching is not going to help him become the router runner he needs to be and help him with his drops.

He has a high drop% and he is a poor router runner. He's a great athlete but that may be all he is.

2 months?  I'm pretty ready sure whoever we draft will get more than 2 months of coaching lol.   He's a pretty good route runner for whatever he's been asked to do.  They have a run heavy offense and wasn't asked to run a full route tree.  Drops is the biggest concern but that's fixable.

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At this point. Unless they're trading up. They're not getting a solid prospect out of this class. I really think that's why they went out and signed Kirk and Jones to the deals that they signed them up for. They must have had some kind of input or evaluation with a vote of confidence from Pederson to make them suitable in his RPO system.

There's going to be a run at the position on opening night. It's unavoidable at this point. Too many WR needy teams with plenty of picks in RD1 at their disposal. I think we might see 6 - 7 taken on the opening night. Which would probably tie or set a new record I think.

I think, if they're going to add a WR. It's probably going to be in RD3 with picks 65 and 70. If I had to bet. These would be the receivers on my radar during the weekend of the draft. Just based on what we currently have at the position and what we're missing at the position. When you look at Pederson's offense during his five year stint in Philadelphia.

He's clearly missing a tall, go up and get it in a 50/50 contest receiver at the moment. Based on size, the perceived draft stock, I think this is realistic at the moment.

33. Treylon Burks, George Pickens & Christian Watson
65/70. David Bell, Justyn Ross, Jalen Tolbert, Alec Pierce

Below are some other names I'll throw out there that offer late value in RD4 and beyond.

Malachi Carter & Dai'Jean Dixon. They're on the taller side of the WR class. Would probably fit well in situational downs.

These are a few more guys that I really like late that I think could offer some value.

Danny Gray out of SMU & Kevin Austin Jr. out of Notre Dame. I really like those two. Good size/speed ratios. They have limited experience coming out of college but they both had pretty productive years last season and had some nice highlight reels to them. Would be happy with either one of them if they can manage to slip into RD6 if Baalke sits on all four of those selections.

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33. Treylon Burks, George Pickens & Christian Watson
65/70. David Bell, Justyn Ross, Jalen Tolbert, Alec Pierce

Below are some other names I'll throw out there that offer late value in RD4 and beyond.

Malachi Carter & Dai'Jean Dixon. They're on the taller side of the WR class. Would probably fit well in situational downs.

These are a few more guys that I really like late that I think could offer some value.

Danny Gray out of SMU & Kevin Austin Jr. out of Notre Dame. I really like those two. Good size/speed ratios.

Pierce at 65/70 is the only one of the first 7 that I would be happy with. Maybe I shouldn't say that I don't have a good enough feel for Tolbert to say either way.

Austin is one of my favorite day 3 picks, but I don't think he's going to last til round 6 he has a decent amount of hype. I think we'd have to take him at 157 or maybe even 106, which I still wouldn't hate at all. I think Westin in round 6 would be an awesome pick too if he's still around.

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At this point. Unless they're trading up. They're not getting a solid prospect out of this class. I really think that's why they went out and signed Kirk and Jones to the deals that they signed them up for. They must have had some kind of input or evaluation with a vote of confidence from Pederson to make them suitable in his RPO system.

There's going to be a run at the position on opening night. It's unavoidable at this point. Too many WR needy teams with plenty of picks in RD1 at their disposal. I think we might see 6 - 7 taken on the opening night. Which would probably tie or set a new record I think.

I think, if they're going to add a WR. It's probably going to be in RD3 with picks 65 and 70. If I had to bet. These would be the receivers on my radar during the weekend of the draft. Just based on what we currently have at the position and what we're missing at the position. When you look at Pederson's offense during his five year stint in Philadelphia.

He's clearly missing a tall, go up and get it in a 50/50 contest receiver at the moment. Based on size, the perceived draft stock, I think this is realistic at the moment.

33. Treylon Burks, George Pickens & Christian Watson
65/70. David Bell, Justyn Ross, Jalen Tolbert, Alec Pierce

Below are some other names I'll throw out there that offer late value in RD4 and beyond.

Malachi Carter & Dai'Jean Dixon. They're on the taller side of the WR class. Would probably fit well in situational downs.

These are a few more guys that I really like late that I think could offer some value.

Danny Gray out of SMU & Kevin Austin Jr. out of Notre Dame. I really like those two. Good size/speed ratios. They have limited experience coming out of college but they both had pretty productive years last season and had some nice highlight reels to them. Would be happy with either one of them if they can manage to slip into RD6 if Baalke sits on all four of those selections.

I think Burks goes in round 1. No way I'm taking Pickens and #33 is just too high for Watson. 

I'm a huge fan of Bell at #65 or #70. Yes, he lacks speed, but he is one of the top route runners in this draft and he has excellent hands. I'm a big believer that you don't have to be a speed burner to be a great WR. Gimme a WR who can consistently get open and make tough catches. That is who Bell is. Ross may not even get drafted. With his injury history and absolutely miserable Pro Day, he should be a 6th round pick at best. Jalen Tolbert and Alec Pierce would both be solid picks with either of our 3rd rounders. 

I'll be honest, I have no clue who Malachi Carter is, but I'm a huge fan of Dai'jean Dixon. He is a big possession receiver with very good hands and route running abilities. I saw him play in the NFLPA game and he was definitely a standout receiver.

Danny Gray and Kevin Austin Jr. are two other guys I like late in the draft. If you want speed guys, these are the guys you want. Gray is an excellent run after the catch type player and Austin is a big play threat every time he touches the ball. Neither will "wow" you with their route running, but they use their speed to create separation. If either is still on the board in the 6th, I'd run to the podium and select them. Maybe even the 5th round, depending on how the board falls.

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33. Treylon Burks, George Pickens & Christian Watson
65/70. David Bell, Justyn Ross, Jalen Tolbert, Alec Pierce

Below are some other names I'll throw out there that offer late value in RD4 and beyond.

Malachi Carter & Dai'Jean Dixon. They're on the taller side of the WR class. Would probably fit well in situational downs.

These are a few more guys that I really like late that I think could offer some value.

Danny Gray out of SMU & Kevin Austin Jr. out of Notre Dame. I really like those two. Good size/speed ratios.

Pierce at 65/70 is the only one of the first 7 that I would be happy with. Maybe I shouldn't say that I don't have a good enough feel for Tolbert to say either way.

Austin is one of my favorite day 3 picks, but I don't think he's going to last til round 6 he has a decent amount of hype. I think we'd have to take him at 157 or maybe even 106, which I still wouldn't hate at all. I think Westin in round 6 would be an awesome pick too if he's still around.

At this point. Unless they're trading up. They're not getting a solid prospect out of this class. I really think that's why they went out and signed Kirk and Jones to the deals that they signed them up for. They must have had some kind of input or evaluation with a vote of confidence from Pederson to make them suitable in his RPO system.

There's going to be a run at the position on opening night. It's unavoidable at this point. Too many WR needy teams with plenty of picks in RD1 at their disposal. I think we might see 6 - 7 taken on the opening night. Which would probably tie or set a new record I think.

I think, if they're going to add a WR. It's probably going to be in RD3 with picks 65 and 70. If I had to bet. These would be the receivers on my radar during the weekend of the draft. Just based on what we currently have at the position and what we're missing at the position. When you look at Pederson's offense during his five year stint in Philadelphia.

He's clearly missing a tall, go up and get it in a 50/50 contest receiver at the moment. Based on size, the perceived draft stock, I think this is realistic at the moment.

33. Treylon Burks, George Pickens & Christian Watson
65/70. David Bell, Justyn Ross, Jalen Tolbert, Alec Pierce

Below are some other names I'll throw out there that offer late value in RD4 and beyond.

Malachi Carter & Dai'Jean Dixon. They're on the taller side of the WR class. Would probably fit well in situational downs.

These are a few more guys that I really like late that I think could offer some value.

Danny Gray out of SMU & Kevin Austin Jr. out of Notre Dame. I really like those two. Good size/speed ratios. They have limited experience coming out of college but they both had pretty productive years last season and had some nice highlight reels to them. Would be happy with either one of them if they can manage to slip into RD6 if Baalke sits on all four of those selections.

I think Burks goes in round 1. No way I'm taking Pickens and #33 is just too high for Watson. 

I'm a huge fan of Bell at #65 or #70. Yes, he lacks speed, but he is one of the top route runners in this draft and he has excellent hands. I'm a big believer that you don't have to be a speed burner to be a great WR. Gimme a WR who can consistently get open and make tough catches. That is who Bell is. Ross may not even get drafted. With his injury history and absolutely miserable Pro Day, he should be a 6th round pick at best. Jalen Tolbert and Alec Pierce would both be solid picks with either of our 3rd rounders. 

I'll be honest, I have no clue who Malachi Carter is, but I'm a huge fan of Dai'jean Dixon. He is a big possession receiver with very good hands and route running abilities. I saw him play in the NFLPA game and he was definitely a standout receiver.

Danny Gray and Kevin Austin Jr. are two other guys I like late in the draft. If you want speed guys, these are the guys you want. Gray is an excellent run after the catch type player and Austin is a big play threat every time he touches the ball. Neither will "wow" you with their route running, but they use their speed to create separation. If either is still on the board in the 6th, I'd run to the podium and select them. Maybe even the 5th round, depending on how the board falls.

Agreed and Agreed. I think Baalke needs to try and wheel and deal those sixth round picks. Get something better out of them if at all possible. Will be disappointed if he ultimately uses all of those. 

Package up three of them if it means getting back into RD4. Just make sure you're landing a quality player that's going to be able to contribute.

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Someone give me a run down on Jalen Tolbert.

Shipley like him at 65 or 70 compared to Watson at 33.

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Someone give me a run down on Jalen Tolbert.

Shipley like him at 65 or 70 compared to Watson at 33.

I was talking to him about Tolbert a few days ago. Neither of us even like him all that much but agree Tolbert or especially Pierce at 65 is better than any of the WR at 33.

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Just to put the drop rate % in perspective..... (per playerprofiler.com, all 2021 except 2020 for Chark)

Zay Jones 1.4%
Jamal Agnew 2.5%
Marvin Jones 5.1%
DJ Chark 5.4%
Christian Kirk 5.8%
Laviska Shenault 7.1%
Laquon Treadwell 9.8%

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Pickens drop rate is so low, because he doesn't even get open enough to have the QB look his way. He is the most inconsistent WR in this class. His career high is just 49 receptions. Compare that to a guy like Skyy Moore who had 95 receptions last season or Jahan Dotson who had 91. Gimme a guy with a little higher drop rate who consistently gets separation vs. a guy who barely ever gets open and drops a few less passes. Those stats can be very deceiving.

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https://twitter.com/PFF_Linsey/status/15...MphjPRZO-g

Pickens drop rate is so low, because he doesn't even get open enough to have the QB look his way. He is the most inconsistent WR in this class. His career high is just 49 receptions. Compare that to a guy like Skyy Moore who had 95 receptions last season or Jahan Dotson who had 91. Gimme a guy with a little higher drop rate who consistently gets separation vs. a guy who barely ever gets open and drops a few less passes. Those stats can be very deceiving.

2% drop rate on 49 receptions is impressive.   He had a impressive freshman year and tore his ACL his sophomore year and coming back from it last year.   College stats is great but you draft a player on what you think he can do in the NFL not for what he did in college

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https://twitter.com/PFF_Linsey/status/15...MphjPRZO-g

Pickens drop rate is so low, because he doesn't even get open enough to have the QB look his way. He is the most inconsistent WR in this class. His career high is just 49 receptions. Compare that to a guy like Skyy Moore who had 95 receptions last season or Jahan Dotson who had 91. Gimme a guy with a little higher drop rate who consistently gets separation vs. a guy who barely ever gets open and drops a few less passes. Those stats can be very deceiving.

Pickens was inconsistent because his QB was inconsistent and he tore his ACL. If you throw Pickens on Bama or OSU (and he was healthy), I'm guessing his numbers would be drastically higher.

https://twitter.com/Steelers_DB/status/1...Wl2ypBoWfQ

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