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Trading Down scenarios
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I don't see Detroit moving up from 2 to 1 for anybody. If anything. I could see them trying to trade that Rams pick [31 or 32 depending on this Sunday] to get even more picks in RD2 / RD3 + another future pick for any team looking to fill an imediate need on a play off bound roster on opening night.
If we take Hutchinson? They still have Thibodeaux who is just as good and promising or even Kyle Hamilton if they think he's the guy that can roam on the backend. The NFC North is an interesting division. With Rodgers on his way out potentially and a new look coaching staff with the Vikings [still behind the 8 ball this off season] and Bears? Detroit could stand to make some quiet moves in this draft that end up making loud noise in the middle of the season. I like Dan Campbell. I think they might end up winning 9 games in 2022. Sent from my SM-G960U using Tapatalk ![]() "What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king." We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
02-12-2022, 01:17 AM
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(02-11-2022, 02:14 PM)D6 Wrote:I defer to you on Detroit's hierarchy of needs.(02-04-2022, 06:54 AM)Bullseye Wrote: I usually do a thread or two on this very topic every year. I was planning to do one a little later, once the coaches were named and free agency went underway, but I've already been kicking some things around, so I might as well give it a shot now. That said, I would still think they'd go Hutchinson at 2. Dan Campbell demonstrated last year a desire to build the trenches starting with the smart Penei Sewell pick and throughout the top part of the draft with Levi O and Alim McNeil in the 2nd and 3rd rounds. At this stage, I think they add the edge rusher to finish the first phase of upgrading the trenches. If they wanted to upgrade S, Dax Hill is a helluva player who could be there at the bottom of round 1 if things go right. Even if they hav to move up from 31-32 a few spots, he would be a worthy addition to their secondary. I think if they handle this draft correctly, I agree with Caldrac that Detroit begins to turn the corner. While they lacked talent, they were also the victims of bad luck. A 66 yard FG to end the game?!? If Aaron Rodgers is gone this off season, with the Bears possibly struggling to get the talented Justin Fields some support with no first round pick, needs along the OL and at WR, and a defensive minded coach switching to a 4-3, I could see Detroit winning more games this year. I don't know if they make the playoffs, but I think the 2022 season ends with the sense the Lions' arrow is pointing up. Question for you, D6. Does Detroit's scheme require an in the box type of S? Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
(02-12-2022, 12:10 AM)Caldrac Wrote: I don't see Detroit moving up from 2 to 1 for anybody. If anything. I could see them trying to trade that Rams pick [31 or 32 depending on this Sunday] to get even more picks in RD2 / RD3 + another future pick for any team looking to fill an imediate need on a play off bound roster on opening night. I don't see them moving up from 2, either, though as a Jaguars fan, if Detroit gave us their 2nd first rounder or their first 2nd rounder to swap places with us, I sure would not object to that. The Pro Football Network draft simulator offers a Detroit trade with us that's a goldmine just on it's face, with both Lions's first rounders, their 2nd rounder, their 3rd, and sometimes even a pick nexst year to move up that one spot. While I would salivate over that if it unfolded like that, it's not a realistic scenario to me, so I am less likely to accept that deal when I use that simulator. Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
So since there are rumors of a Carolina/Pickett love fest, do you think we could bait the hook of swapping firsts and sending a late round pick their way for DJ Moore?
(02-12-2022, 11:29 AM)Khan Artist Wrote: So since there are rumors of a Carolina/Pickett love fest, do you think we could bait the hook of swapping firsts and sending a late round pick their way for DJ Moore? I think if they had the normal allotment of draft picks, the odds would be better. But they have no second or 3rd round picks thanks to the Henderson and Darnold trades. After 6, they won't pick again until the high 100s. Trading away Moore for a rookie QB would hamstring the QB because they'd have no capital with which to restock the OL or to have any targets for him to throw. They would effectively sacrifice his rookie year. Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (02-12-2022, 11:29 AM)Khan Artist Wrote: So since there are rumors of a Carolina/Pickett love fest, do you think we could bait the hook of swapping firsts and sending a late round pick their way for DJ Moore? You could probably swap picks with them and get a future pick and maybe a 4th RD pick. I don't see them trading away DJ Moore. Looks foolish on paper from a front office and coaching standpoint. "Hey. Let's swap 1's with Jacksonville to get our QB and then also give them our best WR that won't be here to help our new QB to sweeten the deal". ![]() I don't like Carolina as a trading partner to be honest with you. You would be swapping 1's and then you're probably getting picks that won't help you until next year as they don't have any 2nd or 3rd RD picks this year. ![]() "What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."
04-04-2022, 04:24 PM
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The Saints trading for another 1st indicated pretty strongly that they are acquiring ammo to package those 1sts to move up for a QB.
I'd give #1 for 16, 19, and 49. (Yes I know it won't happen) (04-04-2022, 04:24 PM)Upper Wrote: The Saints trading for another 1st indicated pretty strongly that they are acquiring ammo to package those 1sts to move up for a QB.Jameson Williams. Karlaftis. Mofe. Guard Those would be the first 4 picks for me.
04-04-2022, 05:00 PM
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(04-04-2022, 04:37 PM)Cleatwood Wrote:(04-04-2022, 04:24 PM)Upper Wrote: The Saints trading for another 1st indicated pretty strongly that they are acquiring ammo to package those 1sts to move up for a QB.Jameson Williams. I just made that trade on PFFs mock and got: Jameson Olave (Karl would be dope but was off the board and I love just fixing and forgetting WR) Ebiketie (love Mafe too but he went at 30, which I think he'll do in real life too) Troy Andersen We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (04-04-2022, 04:24 PM)Upper Wrote: The Saints trading for another 1st indicated pretty strongly that they are acquiring ammo to package those 1sts to move up for a QB. Agreed completely with this, but I've seen variou pundits speculate they want to go up to anywhere between 5 (just ahead of Carolina) and 2 to get a QB. But that doesn't make much sense to me if they want a QB for a few reasons. 1. I don't think any QB is worth the #1 overall pick. 2. Detroit could arguably use a QB. 3. Othre teams like Seattlle may want a QB and may be willing to move up beyond Detroit. There is speculation they may trade Metcalf to the Jets for #10 overall. Getting 9-10 would be enough to move up to 1. If it came to that, I'm not sure what would be more enticing to me, getting Metcalf in a trade back, or getting both the 9 and 10. Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
(04-04-2022, 04:24 PM)Upper Wrote: The Saints trading for another 1st indicated pretty strongly that they are acquiring ammo to package those 1sts to move up for a QB. Personally, I believe New Orleans is staying put and drafting a QB and a LT. I think either Malik Willis or Matt Corral will still be there for them at pick #16 or even #19 as long as Pittsburgh doesn't trade up. The only teams ahead of them I see as "shoe-ins" to take a QB, is Carolina and possibly Washington, but I think the Commanders fill another need after trading for Carson Wentz. (04-04-2022, 05:00 PM)Upper Wrote:(04-04-2022, 04:37 PM)Cleatwood Wrote: Jameson Williams. That would be fantastic! (04-05-2022, 07:21 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:(04-04-2022, 04:24 PM)Upper Wrote: The Saints trading for another 1st indicated pretty strongly that they are acquiring ammo to package those 1sts to move up for a QB. I heard speculation on ESPN about the Saints making that trade to get ahead of the Chargers to take a T. I don't buy that. They only moved a spot ahead of the chargers, and there's still almost a full month to go until the draft. If that's the purpose, the Saints could have tipped their hands. That's way too much time for the Chargers to make a counter move up. That reminds me of 1997 when the Raiders traded up to 2 in the jopes of getting Orlando pace, but did it too soon, and the Rams wound up trading up to 1 to get Pace. Worst to 1st. Curse Reversed!
(04-05-2022, 07:21 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:(04-04-2022, 04:24 PM)Upper Wrote: The Saints trading for another 1st indicated pretty strongly that they are acquiring ammo to package those 1sts to move up for a QB. ....why do that deal now, though, not knowing whether either of those QB especially will be where they are right now? I suspect they've spoken with some other team in the top ten about moving up and the price tag was at least two mid-firsts, so they have their picks in hand to get a deal done should nobody else bet the farm on someone like Willis. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
(04-05-2022, 09:31 AM)Bullseye Wrote:(04-05-2022, 07:21 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: Personally, I believe New Orleans is staying put and drafting a QB and a LT. I think either Malik Willis or Matt Corral will still be there for them at pick #16 or even #19 as long as Pittsburgh doesn't trade up. The only teams ahead of them I see as "shoe-ins" to take a QB, is Carolina and possibly Washington, but I think the Commanders fill another need after trading for Carson Wentz. I still think the Chargers select NT Jordan Davis. Their run defense was atrocious last season and Davis just makes too much sense. They have their franchise LT and RT's can be found later in the later rounds. I would be shocked if they took an OT in round 1, but I'm sure plenty of things will shock me in this draft. (04-05-2022, 09:46 AM)Mikey Wrote:(04-05-2022, 07:21 AM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote: Personally, I believe New Orleans is staying put and drafting a QB and a LT. I think either Malik Willis or Matt Corral will still be there for them at pick #16 or even #19 as long as Pittsburgh doesn't trade up. The only teams ahead of them I see as "shoe-ins" to take a QB, is Carolina and possibly Washington, but I think the Commanders fill another need after trading for Carson Wentz. I really don't know. I just can't wrap my mind around anyone wanting to trade up for any of these QB's.
I think we can go ahead and forget about trading for DK.
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(04-06-2022, 10:35 AM)Upper Wrote: I think we can go ahead and forget about trading for DK. Sounds like they must want to keep him then. I had no faith in Baalke to make that move anyway. I think he's gonna sit on his hands and reach for a WR at pick #33. Then he's gonna wonder why Trevor Lawrence didn't make a big leap in year 2.
04-06-2022, 02:12 PM
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Hypothetically, IF the Jags actually want to draft someone other than Hutchinson, and IF no one else knows this, don't you think the Jags would drop from #1 to #2 for very little in return? If they're going to draft Neal anyway, for example, and they know they can either have (a) Neal at #1, or (b) Neal at #2 plus anything at all, don't you think they would take (b)?
That's what I think a lot of people don't seem to understand. Sure, they aren't going to get a blockbuster deal for the #1 overall pick. But maybe they don't need a blockbuster deal for the #1 overall pick. What if the Jags couldn't decide between Walker and Hutchinson? Wouldn't they be willing to trade the #1 for #2 plus a 4th rounder, for example? If the Jags don't have any value differential between the #1 and the #2 pick, then #2 plus a 4th rounder is worth more to them than the #1 overall pick. Right? This stuff I hear on the radio about "Oh, no one is going to offer a blockbuster deal, so the Jags won't be trading the pick," is nonsense. They don't need a blockbuster deal, because the #1 overall pick just isn't worth that much more than any other pick in the top, say 4 or 5 picks. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
(04-06-2022, 02:12 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: Hypothetically, IF the Jags actually want to draft someone other than Hutchinson, and IF no one else knows this, don't you think the Jags would drop from #1 to #2 for very little in return? If they're going to draft Neal anyway, for example, and they know they can either have (a) Neal at #1, or (b) Neal at #2 plus anything at all, don't you think they would take (b)? Just shoot me. We'd never get this ship turned around under that scenario. Neal isn't even the best OT in this draft. If the Jags can't decide between Hutchinson and Walker then they are blind. Hutchinson was a great college player who put up fantastic stats, he had a terrific Combine and he has played as a 3-4 OLB and a 4-3 DE, so he fits our system. Walker put up way lesser stats, he had a terrific Combine as well, but he was a 3-4 DE in college and would have to learn to play an entirely new position. To me this is extremely clear cut. Hutchinson is without a doubt, the better prospect for this team. Hutchinson is clearly the #1 prospect in this draft, so if this team has any chance what so ever at ever being good in the future, they need to either draft him or hold out for a good trade where we can draft a #1 receiver and get something else big in return.
04-06-2022, 02:47 PM
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(04-06-2022, 02:34 PM)TheO-LineMatters Wrote:(04-06-2022, 02:12 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: Hypothetically, IF the Jags actually want to draft someone other than Hutchinson, and IF no one else knows this, don't you think the Jags would drop from #1 to #2 for very little in return? If they're going to draft Neal anyway, for example, and they know they can either have (a) Neal at #1, or (b) Neal at #2 plus anything at all, don't you think they would take (b)? I wasn't asking you who is the best player, or whom the Jags should draft. I was asking, IF the Jags don't see much difference between the #1 and the #2 picks, then wouldn't they be willing to make a deal for very little in return? It's a hypothetical. I know you're very opinionated about this stuff, but take yourself out of it for a second. Put yourself in the shoes of a GM who sees very little difference in value between the best player in the draft or the second best player in the draft. If that were the case, why would they demand some blockbuster trade to drop one spot? So to answer the question, what would it take for the Jags to drop one spot in the draft, you have to know how they value whoever they think are the top 2 players that they want. It may not require a blockbuster deal for the Jags to trade out of that spot. It might require very little. (04-06-2022, 02:12 PM)The Real Marty Wrote: Hypothetically, IF the Jags actually want to draft someone other than Hutchinson, and IF no one else knows this, don't you think the Jags would drop from #1 to #2 for very little in return? If they're going to draft Neal anyway, for example, and they know they can either have (a) Neal at #1, or (b) Neal at #2 plus anything at all, don't you think they would take (b)? The only way I see them doing that is if they have planned out what to do with that extra pick(s). Either there's someone they believe will be there in the fourth, or they have a rough idea of someone willing to trade a slightly higher pick for a few later picks, including that extra. I don't think you do the deal just to say you did a deal. |
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