Commanders won 7 games last year. They trash.

Bears won 6 games last year. They trash.

The Jags finally have a competent coach to go with a real QB. When’s the last time they actually had that? JDR and Garrard?

Jags should easily win 6 games next year just based on having the best coach they’ve had in 10-15 years and the best QB possibly they’ve ever had.

The fact that you just said garrard was a good qb completely explains alot about how this board views lawrence.

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Drew Brees is allowed to have a down year, he was an all time great for the majority of his career. Lawrence still has to prove he's great, and considering he's only played one year and it was awful I'd think another year like that would be a bit to worry about as opposed to Drew Brees having a good season, but losing games due to their defense being garbage. Our defense was also garbage last year but Trevor also didn't help.

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I agree, I think Pederson will get the best Trevor Lawrence available. That's why I personally feel like this season will show us what we really have in him. And before people jump the gun on what i'm saying I am speaking on Trevor as an individual performance, if he burst out playing out of his mind (unlike last year) and the WRs continue to have drops that hinder his statistics i'll be the first to admit it. Last year while that was an issue, wasn't the main problem.

Thanks for your thoughts on Lawrence versus Brees. Like I said, he had three consecutive losing seasons when the roster around him was bad, and that was with an elite head coach.

Anyone hung up on numbers or win totals to judge Lawrence is looking at the wrong thing.

I judge Lawrence based on his play on the field. The fact that you even brought up brees is laughable tho. Even in those losing seasons drew put up really good numbers, thats a case of the team around him being the problem. Trevor was a part of the problem last year

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6 wins is a pathetic goal to shoot for when you have a good quarterback. Our minimum goal should be for at least 8 wins.

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6 wins is a pathetic goal to shoot for when you have a good quarterback.  Our minimum goal should be for at least 8 wins.

Agreed. We currently do not have a good QB. We have a guy with the tools to possibly become one tho. If he is that guy, we likely will have more than 6-8 wins tho... unless Pederson flops.

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Commanders won 7 games last year. They trash.

Bears won 6 games last year. They trash.

The Jags finally have a competent coach to go with a real QB. When’s the last time they actually had that? JDR and Garrard?

Jags should easily win 6 games next year just based on having the best coach they’ve had in 10-15 years and the best QB possibly they’ve ever had.

The fact that you just said garrard was a good qb completely explains alot about how this board views lawrence.

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Thanks for your thoughts on Lawrence versus Brees. Like I said, he had three consecutive losing seasons when the roster around him was bad, and that was with an elite head coach.

Anyone hung up on numbers or win totals to judge Lawrence is looking at the wrong thing.

I judge Lawrence based on his play on the field. The fact that you even brought up brees is laughable tho. Even in those losing seasons drew put up really good numbers, thats a case of the team around him being the problem. Trevor was a part of the problem last year

You really seem incapable of reading someone else's post and actually thinking about what's being said.

Let me try to sum it up for you: if Brees, a future hall of famer and elite at the time QB with an elite head coach can have three losing seasons in a row then I'm sure it isn't out of the question that the team doesn't immediately take off, even if Trevor plays well.

QB is important, but even an elite QB can't completely carry a bad team.

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Commanders won 7 games last year. They trash.

Bears won 6 games last year. They trash.

The Jags finally have a competent coach to go with a real QB. When’s the last time they actually had that? JDR and Garrard?

Jags should easily win 6 games next year just based on having the best coach they’ve had in 10-15 years and the best QB possibly they’ve ever had.

The fact that you just said garrard was a good qb completely explains alot about how this board views lawrence.

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Thanks for your thoughts on Lawrence versus Brees. Like I said, he had three consecutive losing seasons when the roster around him was bad, and that was with an elite head coach.

Anyone hung up on numbers or win totals to judge Lawrence is looking at the wrong thing.

I judge Lawrence based on his play on the field. The fact that you even brought up brees is laughable tho. Even in those losing seasons drew put up really good numbers, thats a case of the team around him being the problem. Trevor was a part of the problem last year

I'm curious how you think people on this board view Lawrence, because you continually hypberolize and overstate what you claim people are saying to support what you are trying to say.  Because, quite frankly, I see very few...if any...people say what you are claiming that they say.

So you're saying Garrard was never a good quarterback?  I never particularly cared for Garrard.  I think the money went to his head and he got fat and out of shape and was never the same.  But if you say he wasn't ever a good QB, I seriously question whether you know what you are watching.

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The fact that you just said garrard was a good qb completely explains alot about how this board views lawrence.

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I judge Lawrence based on his play on the field. The fact that you even brought up brees is laughable tho. Even in those losing seasons drew put up really good numbers, thats a case of the team around him being the problem. Trevor was a part of the problem last year

I'm curious how you think people on this board view Lawrence, because you continually hypberolize and overstate what you claim people are saying to support what you are trying to say.  Because, quite frankly, I see very few...if any...people say what you are claiming that they say.

So you're saying Garrard was never a good quarterback?  I never particularly cared for Garrard.  I think the money went to his head and he got fat and out of shape and was never the same.  But if you say he wasn't ever a good QB, I seriously question whether you know what you are watching.

He watched Trevor Lawrence's rookie season and instead of seeing:

• incredible potential
  
• historically rampant mismanagement by HC
  
• the requisite and typical rookie lumps/struggles
  

He instead saw, and I quote:  "No reason for hope." 

You don't need to question the bolded. You can be certain.

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6 wins is a pathetic goal to shoot for when you have a good quarterback.  Our minimum goal should be for at least 8 wins.

Have you seen the Jaguars recently?  6 wins would be one of our best seasons in the last decade.   THE QB struggled last year too, it wasn't just the receivers.

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Might do a poll

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The fact that you just said garrard was a good qb completely explains alot about how this board views lawrence.

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I judge Lawrence based on his play on the field. The fact that you even brought up brees is laughable tho. Even in those losing seasons drew put up really good numbers, thats a case of the team around him being the problem. Trevor was a part of the problem last year

I'm curious how you think people on this board view Lawrence, because you continually hypberolize and overstate what you claim people are saying to support what you are trying to say.  Because, quite frankly, I see very few...if any...people say what you are claiming that they say.

So you're saying Garrard was never a good quarterback?  I never particularly cared for Garrard.  I think the money went to his head and he got fat and out of shape and was never the same.  But if you say he wasn't ever a good QB, I seriously question whether you know what you are watching.

Garrard suffered from Crohn's disease, and it had gotten worse later in his career. Very painful. He did not get 'fat and out of shape' because the 'money went to his head'. You may have forgotten/overlooked some of his interviews in the late 00's when he addressed this.

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

I'm curious how you think people on this board view Lawrence, because you continually hypberolize and overstate what you claim people are saying to support what you are trying to say.  Because, quite frankly, I see very few...if any...people say what you are claiming that they say.

So you're saying Garrard was never a good quarterback?  I never particularly cared for Garrard.  I think the money went to his head and he got fat and out of shape and was never the same.  But if you say he wasn't ever a good QB, I seriously question whether you know what you are watching.

Garrard suffered from Crohn's disease, and it had gotten worse later in his career.  Very painful.  He did not get 'fat and out of shape' because the 'money went to his head'.  You may have forgotten/overlooked some of his interviews in the late 00's when he addressed this.

Funny how it happened the very year after he got a big contract after their playoff run.  He came in HUGE the next year.  You don't GAIN weight from Crohn's.  As a matter of fact, it's just the opposite.

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Commanders won 7 games last year. They trash.

Bears won 6 games last year. They trash.

The Jags finally have a competent coach to go with a real QB. When’s the last time they actually had that? JDR and Garrard?

Jags should easily win 6 games next year just based on having the best coach they’ve had in 10-15 years and the best QB possibly they’ve ever had.

The fact that you just said garrard was a good qb completely explains alot about how this board views lawrence.

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Thanks for your thoughts on Lawrence versus Brees. Like I said, he had three consecutive losing seasons when the roster around him was bad, and that was with an elite head coach.

Anyone hung up on numbers or win totals to judge Lawrence is looking at the wrong thing.

I judge Lawrence based on his play on the field. The fact that you even brought up brees is laughable tho. Even in those losing seasons drew put up really good numbers, thats a case of the team around him being the problem. Trevor was a part of the problem last year

He was good.

Not great. Not terrible. Just good.

What else you want ya goober?

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The fact that you just said garrard was a good qb completely explains alot about how this board views lawrence.

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I judge Lawrence based on his play on the field. The fact that you even brought up brees is laughable tho. Even in those losing seasons drew put up really good numbers, thats a case of the team around him being the problem. Trevor was a part of the problem last year

I'm curious how you think people on this board view Lawrence, because you continually hypberolize and overstate what you claim people are saying to support what you are trying to say.  Because, quite frankly, I see very few...if any...people say what you are claiming that they say.

So you're saying Garrard was never a good quarterback?  I never particularly cared for Garrard.  I think the money went to his head and he got fat and out of shape and was never the same.  But if you say he wasn't ever a good QB, I seriously question whether you know what you are watching.

the original post paired a competent coach with a real QB.

CJB just implied the "good" part of the post. And in reality, in the time between the JDR/Garrard pairing, we've either lacked at HC or QB, never overlapping decency. I think that was the point Cleatwood intended.

....and you really think that words that big are going to be understood by someone who thinks Curtis Painter was QB enough to carry a team while Brees was not? Best of luck with that, Rico

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Garrard suffered from Crohn's disease, and it had gotten worse later in his career.  Very painful.  He did not get 'fat and out of shape' because the 'money went to his head'.  You may have forgotten/overlooked some of his interviews in the late 00's when he addressed this.

Funny how it happened the very year after he got a big contract after their playoff run.  He came in HUGE the next year.  You don't GAIN weight from Crohn's.  As a matter of fact, it's just the opposite.

I don't recall him coming in huge. I do recall the entire OL going to [BLEEP] and us never improving his weapons after paying him though. And I believe he ended up with some chronic back issue too after getting pummeled behind a terrible OL

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Depends on what the losses look like and how well they compete in the division.

Exactly, I remember when we first began as a team our coach saying he was building a team to compete and win our division.  That was all that mattered to him.  It served us well then why not now. We were in the AFC central back then.

From 1996 until the realignment, the AFC Central was a bruiser of a division. We had 6 teams back in 1999.

Jacksonville
Pittsburgh
Cincinnati 
Cleveland
Baltimore
Tennessee

I agree that we should build our team to win the division.

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Exactly, I remember when we first began as a team our coach saying he was building a team to compete and win our division.  That was all that mattered to him.  It served us well then why not now. We were in the AFC central back then.

From 1996 until the realignment, the AFC Central was a bruiser of a division. We had 6 teams back in 1999. Jacksonville, Pittsburgh, Cincinnati Cleveland, Baltimore, and Tennessee. 

I agree that we should build our team to win the division.

Cleveland and Baltimore were the same team. They just moved. 

It started as

Pittsburgh Steelers
Houston Oilers (later became the titans)
Cleveland Browns (later became the ravens) 
Cincinnati Bengals
Jax Jags

(5 teams, not 6)

EDIT: I forgot the (new) browns were added to the AFCC from '99-01.

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Funny how it happened the very year after he got a big contract after their playoff run.  He came in HUGE the next year.  You don't GAIN weight from Crohn's.  As a matter of fact, it's just the opposite.

I don't recall him coming in huge. I do recall the entire OL going to [BLEEP] and us never improving his weapons after paying him though. And I believe he ended up with some chronic back issue too after getting pummeled behind a terrible OL

Oh I do, without a doubt.  He was really big.  The back was later.

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I agree, 6 wins is above my expectation. If we get that many and Trevor looks decent, will be pleased. I guessed 5 wins in the prediction thread, and I think thats probably were our talent level is right now.

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