I believe a lisfranc injury was the start of Cam Newtons decline too

It effectively ended Corey Grant's career.

Precisely and sadly.

When 100% healthy, I don't think Etienne has the pure speed that Grant had, but explosiveness is still a characteristic of his game and he is a better receiver than Grant was (though Grant had a good first half against the Patriots in the AFCCG).  Given what Darren S[roles did in Pederson's offense, I think Etienne could have a similar impact, assuming a complete return to health.  But in my mind, it's an iffy proposition.  I am rooting like hell for him to come back completely though.

I would love for my doubts, concerns and misgiving to be misplaced here.

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Pushing aside the negativity, how excited are you guys to finally see this duo? Obviously the hope is that both guys can return to 100% but if they do man.. I think we might have an extremely dangerous backfield especially with the addition of Scherf to the O-line. 

I'm no doctor, I don't know much about their injuries but I am extremely hopeful that these guys can take some pressure off Trevor and make some plays. But what do you all expect out of the two?

I’m more worried than excited. The injuries they both sustained are usually career killer or will hinder their ability extensively. I wouldn’t be shocked to see a late pick to invest in a rb as an insurance policy. Hoping Robinson pulls an Akers and all is well.

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WR Hollywood Brown on the Ravens had a lisfranc injury coming out of college. Don't know exactly how severe/how it compared to ETN's, but hes been productive. He's the first player that comes to mind of recent lisfranc injuries and returning. 

He did have to get a screw removed from his foot a year or two ago because of discomfort etc. That screw was from the lisfranc injury. Something ETN may have to deal with down the road as well.

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WR Hollywood Brown on the Ravens had a lisfranc injury coming out of college. Don't know exactly how severe/how it compared to ETN's, but hes been productive. He's the first player that comes to mind of recent lisfranc injuries and returning. 

He did have to get a screw removed from his foot a year or two ago because of discomfort etc. That screw was from the lisfranc injury. Something ETN may have to deal with down the road as well.

...so what I'm hearing is Hollywood has a screw loose?

This tracks.

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WR Hollywood Brown on the Ravens had a lisfranc injury coming out of college. Don't know exactly how severe/how it compared to ETN's, but hes been productive. He's the first player that comes to mind of recent lisfranc injuries and returning. 

He did have to get a screw removed from his foot a year or two ago because of discomfort etc. That screw was from the lisfranc injury. Something ETN may have to deal with down the road as well.

I was watching Etienne's recent press conference, and he said that he spoke with some players sho had the lisfranc injury before and he mentioned he spoke with Evan Engram.

I had never heard Engram had a lisfranc injury before so I googled it.  Sure enough, Engram had one in 2019.  I do not know how serious the injury was as compared with Etienne, but it was serious enough to require surgery to repair it.

However, Engram had his best season in 2020, making the Pro bowl.  Now I don't know if his recovery from the surgery put him back at his pre injury levels, but at least he was productive enough post injury to get some post season accolades.

That provides a measure of additional hope for Etienne's recovery prospects.

Hopefully, Etienne enjys a similar recovery.

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I posted this study on another thread when the topic came up.  For those who don't want to read it, the conclusion from the study was that over 90% of NFL players returned to play after having a lisfranc injury with a median return of 11.1 months from the time on injury.  The study also found the difference in performance after their return was not statistically significant compared to pre-injury.  If accurate, this is excellent news.

Outcomes of Lisfranc Injuries in the National Football League

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I posted this study on another thread when the topic came up.  For those who don't want to read it, the conclusion from the study was that over 90% of NFL players returned to play after having a lisfranc injury with a median return of 11.1 months from the time on injury.  The study also found the difference in performance after their return was not statistically significant compared to pre-injury.  If accurate, this is excellent news.

Outcomes of Lisfranc Injuries in the National Football League

Yes it is excellent news if accurate.

I wonder what distinguishes the 90% from the other 10%.  What made Grant's lis franc so devastating?

Or was it a matter of medical technology/surgical and rehab techniques not being as advanced then as it is now?

Anyway, I continue to root for a complete recovery for Etienne.

Thanks for posting, Duke.

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Yes, excellent news, I am hoping for a full recovery too. However even with that we will need a good running back the first half of the season. I don't expect Robinson to be ready for opening day.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

Yes, excellent news, I am hoping for a full recovery too. However even with that we will need a good running back the first half of the season. I don't expect Robinson to be ready for opening day.

Absolutely.

The article deals with recovery from lis franc injuries.  They said in 90% of the cases, the recovery time was 11.1 months.  Etienne wa injured last august, which means if he is among the 90%, he should recover completely by about July.

To my recollection, the study said nothing about torn achilles tendons, which is what Robinson suffered.  Even if the recovery time for both injury types were identical (11.1 months), Robinson was injured in, what, January?  That would mean he'd be 100% recovered somewhere in December.

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Googled it and got a few different responses. the below was the scariest.

Players who did return to play in the NFL took an average of 9 months to recover after the date of injury. Across all positions, there was a net decrease in power ratings by 22% and a net decrease in approximate value by 23% over 3 years following player return after Achilles tendon rupture.

nfl recovery from Achilles tendons

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Googled it and got a few different responses. the below was the scariest.

Players who did return to play in the NFL took an average of 9 months to recover after the date of injury. Across all positions, there was a net decrease in power ratings by 22% and a net decrease in approximate value by 23% over 3 years following player return after Achilles tendon rupture.

nfl recovery from Achilles tendons

The greater concern is Travis Etienne's recovery from the Lisfranc injury 

Ruptured Achilles repairs have advanced greatly over the years

It is common to replace the ruptured tendon with tendon material from a pig nowadays, and it turns out to be actually stronger than the original tendon

Athletic patients that have difficulty in recovery from that procedure have issues with range of motion, but those that are diligent about their physical therapy tend to recover well

The Jaguars have had a few players recover from this procedure in the past, including Marcus  Stroud

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Draft or sign an UFA at RB. We can't afford to rush either of these guys back too soon.

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

Googled it and got a few different responses. the below was the scariest.

Players who did return to play in the NFL took an average of 9 months to recover after the date of injury. Across all positions, there was a net decrease in power ratings by 22% and a net decrease in approximate value by 23% over 3 years following player return after Achilles tendon rupture.

nfl recovery from Achilles tendons

The greater concern is Travis Etienne's recovery from the Lisfranc injury 

Ruptured Achilles repairs have advanced greatly over the years

It is common to replace the ruptured tendon with tendon material from a pig nowadays, and it turns out to be actually stronger than the original tendon

Athletic patients that have difficulty in recovery from that procedure have issues with range of motion, but those that are diligent about their physical therapy tend to recover well

The Jaguars have had a few players recover from this procedure in the past, including Marcus  Stroud

I don't think that was Stroud, he did get an ankle about a year before we sent him to Buffalo. I believe it was Haywood on opening day, who coincidentially played only a few years after the Achilles. Glad to hear they have progressed in making that injury less problematic.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

The greater concern is Travis Etienne's recovery from the Lisfranc injury 

Ruptured Achilles repairs have advanced greatly over the years

It is common to replace the ruptured tendon with tendon material from a pig nowadays, and it turns out to be actually stronger than the original tendon

Athletic patients that have difficulty in recovery from that procedure have issues with range of motion, but those that are diligent about their physical therapy tend to recover well

The Jaguars have had a few players recover from this procedure in the past, including Marcus  Stroud

I don't think that was Stroud, he did get an ankle about a year before we sent him to Buffalo. I believe it was Haywood on opening day, who coincidentially played only a few years after the Achilles. Glad to hear they have progressed in making that injury less problematic.

Yes! I think you are correct. Thanks. [Hayward] was the guy I was thinking of. 2006 was the year. The use of the pig tendon was fairly new at that time and has since been refined/improved according to my friend in that line of work. 

Robinson's achilles should have him running by June - but full recovery and complete range of motion may require a few more months.

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In my opinion, ETN will NEVER be the same RB and it'll take Robinson a full season to get back to where he was physically.

Time Will Tell.

NH3...

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In my opinion, ETN will NEVER be the same RB and it'll take Robinson a full season to get back to where he was physically.

Time Will Tell.

NH3...

I have a terrible feeling that this is going to be the case. In fact, I can see ETN being so injury-plagued moving forward that he never even becomes an consistent starter, never mind an elite contributor. Hope I eat these words.

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

In my opinion, ETN will NEVER be the same RB and it'll take Robinson a full season to get back to where he was physically.

Time Will Tell.

NH3...

I have a terrible feeling that this is going to be the case.  In fact, I can see ETN being so injury-plagued moving forward that he never even becomes an consistent starter, never mind an elite contributor.  Hope I eat these words.

Idk he sounded pretty confident in his interviews recently.

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I have a terrible feeling that this is going to be the case.  In fact, I can see ETN being so injury-plagued moving forward that he never even becomes an consistent starter, never mind an elite contributor.  Hope I eat these words.

Idk he sounded pretty confident in his interviews recently.

I agree w/respect to his previous interview while I sincerely pray that his confidence translates to the field of play. 

Time Will Tell.

NH3...

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"AZANE"

This duo has me excited! Let's GOOO.

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In my opinion, ETN will NEVER be the same RB and it'll take Robinson a full season to get back to where he was physically.

Time Will Tell.

NH3...

I have a terrible feeling that this is going to be the case.  In fact, I can see ETN being so injury-plagued moving forward that he never even becomes an consistent starter, never mind an elite contributor.  Hope I eat these words.

Elijah Moore at 25 and the Jags would be cookin this season.

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