are you excited yet?

Why or why not?

Are you excited becuse, like a kid approaching Christmas, it's customary, almost instinctive for you to be excited this time of year?

Are you excited to see how Pederson will build the team?

Are you excited to see the new Jaguars?

Are you simply excited for the last big booster shot of football talk until a long dry spell without football talk?

If you are less excited than usual, why?

Is Baalke's continued presence dampening your enthusiasm?

Have the Jaguars' long history of draft day ineptitude finally worn you down?

Is the lack of a dominant franchise caliber guy at the top of the draft getting you down, because either the Jaguars can't add them to their own roster, or can't command a huge package of picks in a trade back from #1 overall?

To be honest, I've experienced all of these things at various points this week.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

I think because of how poorly Trevor played last season it has dampered my excitement a bit. Even tho, I do expect him to bounce back under much better circumstances it just leaves a lingering feeling of doubt in my gut.. maybe it's because we've never had a real QB or maybe it's because I'm tired of the constant hype and then enevitible drop off come week 1 of the regular season.

That being said, if we can leave this draft with an elite player at #1 (presumably Hutch) and a #1 WR of the future.. along with continuing to solidify the O line and other various holes I'll be happy.

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I think because of how poorly Trevor played last season it has dampered my excitement a bit. Even tho, I do expect him to bounce back under much better circumstances it just leaves a lingering feeling of doubt in my gut.. maybe it's because we've never had a real QB or maybe it's because I'm tired of the constant hype and then enevitible drop off come week 1 of the regular season.

That being said, if we can leave this draft with an elite player at #1 (presumably Hutch) and a #1 WR of the future.. along with continuing to solidify the O line and other various holes I'll be happy.

Not going to rehash the Lawrence debate right now.

Not a HUGE Hutchinson fan, but I like him way more than Walker out of Georgia.  I am strongly hoping that all that speculation about the Jaguars taking him first overall is nothing but pre draft smoke, but I've heard that Baalke is a height/weight/speed guy when it comes to drafting, favoring potential over production.  In fairness, he has demonstrated he knows how to find a front 7 player on defense (Aldon Smith, Arik Armstead, DeForest Buckner), but Walker scares me to death.

My preference all offseason has been to trade back, but i don't see it happening.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

I think because of how poorly Trevor played last season it has dampered my excitement a bit. Even tho, I do expect him to bounce back under much better circumstances it just leaves a lingering feeling of doubt in my gut.. maybe it's because we've never had a real QB or maybe it's because I'm tired of the constant hype and then enevitible drop off come week 1 of the regular season.

That being said, if we can leave this draft with an elite player at #1 (presumably Hutch) and a #1 WR of the future.. along with continuing to solidify the O line and other various holes I'll be happy.

Not going to rehash the Lawrence debate right now.

Not a HUGE Hutchinson fan, but I like him way more than Walker out of Georgia.  I am strongly hoping that all that speculation about the Jaguars taking him first overall is nothing but pre draft smoke, but I've heard that Baalke is a height/weight/speed guy when it comes to drafting, favoring potential over production.  In fairness, he has demonstrated he knows how to find a front 7 player on defense (Aldon Smith, Arik Armstead, DeForest Buckner), but Walker scares me to death.

My preference all offseason has been to trade back, but i don't see it happening.

Wasn't trying to debate Trevor, just mentioning that his play last season is the biggest thing for me in terms of why I'm not super excited. I'm cautiously optimistic, but not really sure what to expect this year.

Also I 100% am with you on the idea of trading back, I do think Hutchinson will be a good player but in a perfect world i'd love to get #5 and #7 from NY and go from there.. obviously wont ever happen but it would be nice. A combo of Thibbs + Best available WR would get me excited.

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Not going to rehash the Lawrence debate right now.

Not a HUGE Hutchinson fan, but I like him way more than Walker out of Georgia.  I am strongly hoping that all that speculation about the Jaguars taking him first overall is nothing but pre draft smoke, but I've heard that Baalke is a height/weight/speed guy when it comes to drafting, favoring potential over production.  In fairness, he has demonstrated he knows how to find a front 7 player on defense (Aldon Smith, Arik Armstead, DeForest Buckner), but Walker scares me to death.

My preference all offseason has been to trade back, but i don't see it happening.

Wasn't trying to debate Trevor, just mentioning that his play last season is the biggest thing for me in terms of why I'm not super excited. I'm cautiously optimistic, but not really sure what to expect this year.

Also I 100% am with you on the idea of trading back, I do think Hutchinson will be a good player but in a perfect world i'd love to get #5 and #7 from NY and go from there.. obviously wont ever happen but it would be nice. A combo of Thibbs + Best available WR would get me excited.

I think the 5 & 7 scenario you bring up is the sort of package we might expect if there were a clear cut Franchise QB prospect or a Myles Garret type DE in this draft class.

Since there isn't (though I suspect Thibs might be the closest thing in the class to it), I would adjust my expectations of what a good trade down package might be.  But again, I think we keep the pick.

I just hope we get the pick-the entire draft for that matter-absolutely right.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

Wasn't trying to debate Trevor, just mentioning that his play last season is the biggest thing for me in terms of why I'm not super excited. I'm cautiously optimistic, but not really sure what to expect this year.

Also I 100% am with you on the idea of trading back, I do think Hutchinson will be a good player but in a perfect world i'd love to get #5 and #7 from NY and go from there.. obviously wont ever happen but it would be nice. A combo of Thibbs + Best available WR would get me excited.

I think the 5 & 7 scenario you bring up is the sort of package we might expect if there were a clear cut Franchise QB prospect or a Myles Garret type DE in this draft class.

Since there isn't (though I suspect Thibs might be the closest thing in the class to it), I would adjust my expectations of what a good trade down package might be.  But again, I think we keep the pick.

I just hope we get the pick-the entire draft for that matter-absolutely right.

The only trade involing #1 I can even see happening, is either the Lions losing their crap over Hutch or if a team fell in love with one of the QBs which I doubt, and thought the Lions were taking him.

I doubt we're moving, pretty sure It's gonna be hutch but we'll see.

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are you excited yet? Yes!

Why or why not?  If done right, this draft can provide the talent to be a competitive, respectable team for the first time in a while.

Are you excited becuse, like a kid approaching Christmas, it's customary, almost instinctive for you to be excited this time of year? I'm sure that's part of it.  But more so it is the only time of year where we can have legitimate hope for most of the past 15 or so years.

Are you excited to see how Pederson will build the team?  Yes!  I have a high level of confidence in Doug making this a perennially competitive team.

Are you excited to see the new Jaguars?  Yes!

Are you simply excited for the last big booster shot of football talk until a long dry spell without football talk?  Don't remind me of the dry spell.  Worst sports time of the year.

If you are less excited than usual, why?  n/a

Is Baalke's continued presence dampening your enthusiasm?  Not like I thought it would.  I was definitely one of the torch and pitchfork crowd.  But paired with a coach whose voice cannot be diminished, I think his personnel selection ability will be mostly fine.  He had a mostly good free agency, except for not trying hard enough to sign Cooper.  And I don't see him getting in on the Deebo sweepstakes. As long as he doesn't fulfill the ACL injury meme, I think he will do fine.  I don't quite trust him yet.  But I don't hate him, either.

Have the Jaguars' long history of draft day ineptitude finally worn you down? No.  Different GM, different choices.  GMs have to be careful to not let their ego get in the way of making good choices.  You're not smarter than all the other GMs.  You're not that clever boy who sees diamonds where everyone else sees lumps of coal.

Is the lack of a dominant franchise caliber guy at the top of the draft getting you down, because either the Jaguars can't add them to their own roster, or can't command a huge package of picks in a trade back from #1 overall?  I regret that, sure.  But I'm not letting it me get me down.  You have to pick in the draft you have, not an idealized draft you don't have.

To be honest, I've experienced all of these things at various points this week.

My true expectation is that we will get better, but that we won't get a good fit for each hole we have.  If the draft were to fall the way I want it to, I'd go:
1.  OT
2.  Edge.
3.  WR and one of either LB or TE.
Day 3:  Either LB or TE, IOL, S, K, and depth.

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Fix the O-Line!

Unlike previous years, my feeling is more one of dread than excitement. I don't like any of the players that are rated at the top of this draft. I see a pretty good possibility that either or both Hutchinson and Walker could be a bust.

I wish we could trade down to about 10th. I just don't see a great difference in value between the first pick and the 10th pick this year. In fact the difference in value between the first pick and the 10th pick this year, to me, is approximately a high third round pick. But of course no one would make that kind of trade because they would get roasted.

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are you excited yet? Yes!

Why or why not?  If done right, this draft can provide the talent to be a competitive, respectable team for the first time in a while.

Are you excited becuse, like a kid approaching Christmas, it's customary, almost instinctive for you to be excited this time of year? I'm sure that's part of it.  But more so it is the only time of year where we can have legitimate hope for most of the past 15 or so years.

Are you excited to see how Pederson will build the team?  Yes!  I have a high level of confidence in Doug making this a perennially competitive team.

Are you excited to see the new Jaguars?  Yes!

Are you simply excited for the last big booster shot of football talk until a long dry spell without football talk?  Don't remind me of the dry spell.  Worst sports time of the year.

If you are less excited than usual, why?  n/a

Is Baalke's continued presence dampening your enthusiasm?  Not like I thought it would.  I was definitely one of the torch and pitchfork crowd.  But paired with a coach whose voice cannot be diminished, I think his personnel selection ability will be mostly fine.  He had a mostly good free agency, except for not trying hard enough to sign Cooper.  And I don't see him getting in on the Deebo sweepstakes. As long as he doesn't fulfill the ACL injury meme, I think he will do fine.  I don't quite trust him yet.  But I don't hate him, either.

Have the Jaguars' long history of draft day ineptitude finally worn you down? No.  Different GM, different choices.  GMs have to be careful to not let their ego get in the way of making good choices.  You're not smarter than all the other GMs.  You're not that clever boy who sees diamonds where everyone else sees lumps of coal.

Is the lack of a dominant franchise caliber guy at the top of the draft getting you down, because either the Jaguars can't add them to their own roster, or can't command a huge package of picks in a trade back from #1 overall?  I regret that, sure.  But I'm not letting it me get me down.  You have to pick in the draft you have, not an idealized draft you don't have.

To be honest, I've experienced all of these things at various points this week.

My true expectation is that we will get better, but that we won't get a good fit for each hole we have.  If the draft were to fall the way I want it to, I'd go:
1.  OT
2.  Edge.
3.  WR and one of either LB or TE.
Day 3:  Either LB or TE, IOL, S, K, and depth.

As to your point about Pederson building the team, I heard an interesting argument yesterday.

Because of the way the scheduling has been with the Super Bowl and draft being pushed back, the talking head was saying NFL coaches have been more involved in college scouting this year, whereas in the past, they didn't have the time.  I think that is a very good sign, thoough thinking about it, it makes me more irritated it took so long ti hire him.

I think every NFL fan instinctively has developed their own internal calendar, where generally there is a sense of drad that comes in the post draft dead zone.  Traditionally I have viewed the Kentucky Debry as the unofficial halfway point of the offseason.  But over time, that has adjusted a bit, because at least from January through the end of April, you can still get a decent amount of football discussion/news with the coaching hires/fires, playoffs, college all star games, combine, free agency, workouts, visits, pre draft trades, and then the draft.  Bust after the draft?  Ugh!  For me, I watch old games on DVD, wait for the Preseason mags to hit the newsstands in June (yes, I still enjoy print medium), catch the occasional glimpse of the June 1 cuts and minicamp....and just endure until training camp.

I don't fully trust Baalke, either.  This number 1 pick this year-specifically the prospect of getting Walker-terrifies me.  But generally speaking I think he does a decent job in drafting trench players, and that seems to be what's at the top of this draft, and that's a lot of what we need.  Still don't trust him to identify quality WRs, which is what I'm hoping Pederson can help with.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

Unlike previous years, my feeling is more one of dread than excitement.  I don't like any of the players that are rated at the top of this draft.  I see a pretty good possibility that either or both Hutchinson and Walker could be a bust. 

I wish we could trade down to about 10th.  I just don't see a great difference in value between the first pick and the 10th pick this year.  In fact the difference in value between the first pick and the 10th pick this year, to me, is approximately a high third round pick.  But of course no one would make that kind of trade because they would get roasted.

I am with you completely on this.  I think Thibs has more talent/potential than either Walker or Hutch, but there are some things that scare me about him, too.

I want the team to move around in this draft.  Up in some spots, trading back in others.  But I definitely don't see it happening in the first round, and I get the feeling it won't happen much later on, either.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

Unlike previous years, my feeling is more one of dread than excitement.  I don't like any of the players that are rated at the top of this draft.  I see a pretty good possibility that either or both Hutchinson and Walker could be a bust. 

I wish we could trade down to about 10th.  I just don't see a great difference in value between the first pick and the 10th pick this year.  In fact the difference in value between the first pick and the 10th pick this year, to me, is approximately a high third round pick.  But of course no one would make that kind of trade because they would get roasted.

I am with you completely on this.  I think Thibs has more talent/potential than either Walker or Hutch, but there are some things that scare me about him, too.

I want the team to move around in this draft.  Up in some spots, trading back in others.  But I definitely don't see it happening in the first round, and I get the feeling it won't happen much later on, either.

Thibs reminds me of when people didn't think Herbert loved the game because he wasn't vocal. Thibs is very vocal but because he's not football 100% of the time, people take that as him being lazy. It wouldn't shock me at all if Thibs is the best pass rusher/player to come from this draft.

As far as the draft, I'm very excited. I've watched the draft every year pretty much from start to finish since my freshman year of college. Couple thirty packs in my dorm room, yelling at the screen, and talking myself into the players. Last year, I had a big draft party at my house with lots of fans from various teams. My one buddy is an Eagle fan and lost his mind when they traded and ended up with Devonta.

This year, I'll be at a rehearsal dinner for my sister in law.... No draft party and due to the festivities surrounding the wedding, I likely won't be able to watch most of the draft. 

I love just about everything that comes with the draft. The surprise picks, the draft day trades, the players slipping, the last player in the green room, the booing of Goodell. All of it. I'll always be excited for the draft and this year is no different for me.

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The darft is quickly becoming like the SB to me - so much hype, coverage and debate before the event that by the time the game starts, I'm kinda oversaturated on it.

Much like the SB, we have a core group of friends that make an event out of at least rnd 1. We go to the local watering hole, enjoy some food, some tasty beverages, laugh at the boneheaded GMs trading away tons of picks for mediocre players, and not really basing any of the enjoyment of the evening on one pick. I should note that the watering hole closed down for the night around pick 24 last year, that's kinda important regarding my last statement.

I'm generally willing to benefit of the doubt most any pick we make - after all, GMs and their scouting teams should be doing a lot more research and prep that silly ol' me before one of the biggest days of their year, right?

I think if anything, having R1P1 kinda takes some of the excitement out of the event - last year we all knew or expected TLaw to be the pick, and there was no chance he wouldn't be available when our pick came up. Think back to a few years ago and the Gints take Daniel Jones, leaving Josh Allen on the table for us to snag - how excited were you to hear their pick? This year doesn't have the same wow factor, even if we do get the pick right, but not having that random number generator potentially screwing with who we expect to be available does take away some of the mystique for me.

That said, I look forward to the darft more for the fun I have with our friends than I do worrying about the one(s) that got away. We've made great picks, we've made bad picks, but in the end no matter how good or bad the pick may be, it's always better to share that moment with good friends. And beer, lots of beer.

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We did pretty well with free agency, but it's a very weird draft. Lots of unknowns about who's going to be drafted for all the teams. So I guess I'm anticipating that. The hidden surprises.

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

Am I excited yet? No, not until I see what happens in the draft. If Baalke had been removed, I'd be a lot more optimistic about the draft. If we make good choices, we will know that Pederson is really in charge. If we have head-scratchers, reaches or injured value players . . . our rehab is postponed for another year. Baalke has had several draft rounds to judge him by at SF and in Jacksonville, and I have no faith he will make good choices.

I think we did fairly well with free agency. I wish we could have got a top level receiver, but we did improve at that position. Love that we signed Bulaga. But the draft really sets us up for the next few years, so that is what I'm waiting for. Free agency does give me a little more hope that Pederson is wearing the pants in the family, which would bode well.

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Am I excited yet? No, not until I see what happens in the draft. If Baalke had been removed, I'd be a lot more optimistic about the draft. If we make good choices, we will know that Pederson is really in charge. If we have head-scratchers, reaches or injured value players . . . our rehab is postponed for another year. Baalke has had several draft rounds to judge him by at SF and in Jacksonville, and I have no faith he will make good choices.

I think we did fairly well with free agency. I wish we could have got a top level receiver, but we did improve at that position. Love that we signed Bulaga. But the draft really sets us up for the next few years, so that is what I'm waiting for. Free agency does give me a little more hope that Pederson is wearing the pants in the family, which would bode well.

Lol, too much. So if we end up drafting well, then that's all Pederson, but if we end up winning say two or three games, then I guess it falls back on Baalke? I'm not a fan of Baalke either, but the hate on here has really reached the point of irrational now. Let's wait and see.

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

Am I excited yet? No, not until I see what happens in the draft. If Baalke had been removed, I'd be a lot more optimistic about the draft. If we make good choices, we will know that Pederson is really in charge. If we have head-scratchers, reaches or injured value players . . . our rehab is postponed for another year. Baalke has had several draft rounds to judge him by at SF and in Jacksonville, and I have no faith he will make good choices.

I think we did fairly well with free agency. I wish we could have got a top level receiver, but we did improve at that position. Love that we signed Bulaga. But the draft really sets us up for the next few years, so that is what I'm waiting for. Free agency  does give me a little more hope that Pederson is wearing the pants in the family, which would bode well.

Lol, too much. So if we end up drafting well, then that's all Pederson, but if we end up winning say two or three games, then I guess it falls back on Baalke?  I'm not a fan of Baalke  either, but the hate on here has really reached the point of irrational now. Let's wait and see.

It's not a question of hate. It's simply a matter of his track record. He has demonstrated that his priorities and choices result in bad picks. His leadership drove San Francisco down from being a SB winner to the worst sports franchise in North America. He's shown nothing since joining the Jaguars to indicate any change. And at this point, he doesn't deserve another chance to make picks, to lead a franchise. He's a cancer, and cancer doesn't turn things around and do well. So no, I give him no credit for anything positive coming from the draft.

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I'm not excited at all because I know that no matter what they do it will be wrong. I have not fallen in love with any of the pass rushers, the skill players aren't R1P1 caliber and we'll likely not select the best player in Evan Neal.

#becausejaguars

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Somewhat excited

Want to see what unfolds for help at WR, OG/C , ILB and EDGE

If all or most are addressed i may get legit excited

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My true expectation is that we will get better, but that we won't get a good fit for each hole we have.  If the draft were to fall the way I want it to, I'd go:
1.  OT
2.  Edge.
3.  WR and one of either LB or TE.
Day 3:  Either LB or TE, IOL, S, K, and depth.

As to your point about Pederson building the team, I heard an interesting argument yesterday.

Because of the way the scheduling has been with the Super Bowl and draft being pushed back, the talking head was saying NFL coaches have been more involved in college scouting this year, whereas in the past, they didn't have the time.  I think that is a very good sign, thoough thinking about it, it makes me more irritated it took so long ti hire him.

I think every NFL fan instinctively has developed their own internal calendar, where generally there is a sense of drad that comes in the post draft dead zone.  Traditionally I have viewed the Kentucky Debry as the unofficial halfway point of the offseason.  But over time, that has adjusted a bit, because at least from January through the end of April, you can still get a decent amount of football discussion/news with the coaching hires/fires, playoffs, college all star games, combine, free agency, workouts, visits, pre draft trades, and then the draft.  Bust after the draft?  Ugh!  For me, I watch old games on DVD, wait for the Preseason mags to hit the newsstands in June (yes, I still enjoy print medium), catch the occasional glimpse of the June 1 cuts and minicamp....and just endure until training camp.

I don't fully trust Baalke, either.  This number 1 pick this year-specifically the prospect of getting Walker-terrifies me.  But generally speaking I think he does a decent job in drafting trench players, and that seems to be what's at the top of this draft, and that's a lot of what we need.  Still don't trust him to identify quality WRs, which is what I'm hoping Pederson can help with.

Bullseye, your OP is, as always it seems, fantastic. You do these things routinely yet they are anything BUT routine. Yoda gave some great takes in his post and I agree with just aout everyone of them.

As far as the draft itself, it usually marks the end of us winning the offseason LOL. Post draft though we do indeed hit the doldrums but at least we get the NBA playoffs through May and then the US Open in golf in June and the British Open in July to tide me over till the HOF Game in Aug.

Who actually trusts Baalke? Not me, Plus he is bringing in an old crony as Asst GM after the draft so it looks like we are stuck with him for some time to come. Ah well, the drama that is the Jags FO will continue. 

Still, exciting times ahead.

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I think because of how poorly Trevor played last season it has dampered my excitement a bit. Even tho, I do expect him to bounce back under much better circumstances it just leaves a lingering feeling of doubt in my gut.. maybe it's because we've never had a real QB or maybe it's because I'm tired of the constant hype and then enevitible drop off come week 1 of the regular season.

That being said, if we can leave this draft with an elite player at #1 (presumably Hutch) and a #1 WR of the future.. along with continuing to solidify the O line and other various holes I'll be happy.

“Maybe it’s because we’ve never had a real QB”

You didn’t watch Jaguar football from 1995-2002.

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