In Case You Missed It, here is yesterday's press conference.

https://youtu.be/wg8ao--a7v4

A few things stuck out to me.

1.  There was nothing that struck me as particularly alarming about anything they said.

2.  They have removed 20-30 players from the draft board because of character concerns.  It shouldn't surprise me, but when I first heard it, that struck me as a big number.

3.  Pederson was saying there isn't much in terms of depth at WR ( a good top heavy group) and IOL.  To me, that may mean that if a guy like Zion Johnson or a WR does not fall to 33, they trade back, assuming they are looking for those positions at 33.
What do you think?

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

I guess we can assume that thibs is 100% not a pick then

Cause of character/ his ego?


Been mentioned quite a few times that the WR this draft is quite a talented deep one so i hope we get our fair share

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I guess we can assume that thibs is 100% not a pick then

Cause of character/ his ego?


Been mentioned quite a few times that the WR this draft is quite a talented deep one so i hope we get our fair share

I don't know of any off field stuff that-drug use/criminal stuff- would absolutely remove him from consideration.

Somehow, I can' help but think a lot of this is coming from teams wanting him to fall to them.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

I think they're SOL when it comes to the WR position unless they're prepared and dead set on having one particular guy. They checked out John Metchie III though. He's ranging anywhere from late RD2 to early RD3. I mentioned in that other thread that they have plenty of picks at their disposal to come up and get a top WR.

Only challenge with that is the fact that there's a gauntlet of teams in RD1 with multiple picks that are in the market for a WR and it just so happens to align perfectly with where the value would be anyway at the position. So, tough market right now to be in.

I am convinced that unless they trade up on the opening night they won't bother looking at a WR until RD3. If there's a guy that maybe slips a bit or they panic that a team might take Metchie at the bottom of RD2 they might very well package up those 3RD round picks to get ahead of them to get him.

I am assuming it's Hutchinson right off the bat, probably another defensive player that nobody suspects at 33 or a damn good RT or G there that offers great value overall and they either trade up that same night for Metchie or hang back in the 3RD round come Saturday.

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I also really like Calvin Austin III out of Memphis on my end. Had him as a target we trade up for in my final mock draft. There's links to him and the Chiefs now as a Tyreek Hill replacement because of his size/speed ratio.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I think they're SOL when it comes to the WR position unless they're prepared and dead set on having one particular guy. They checked out John Metchie III though. He's ranging anywhere from late RD2 to early RD3. I mentioned in that other thread that they have plenty of picks at their disposal to come up and get a top WR.

Only challenge with that is the fact that there's a gauntlet of teams in RD1 with multiple picks that are in the market for a WR and it just so happens to align perfectly with where the value would be anyway at the position. So, tough market right now to be in.

I am convinced that unless they trade up on the opening night they won't bother looking at a WR until RD3. If there's a guy that maybe slips a bit or they panic that a team might take Metchie at the bottom of RD2 they might very well package up those 3RD round picks to  get ahead of them to get him.

I am assuming it's Hutchinson right off the bat, probably another defensive player that nobody suspects at 33 or a damn good RT or G there that offers great value overall and they either trade up that same night for Metchie or hang back in the 3RD round come Saturday.

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I also really like Calvin Austin III out of Memphis on my end. Had him as a target we trade up for in my final mock draft. There's links to him and the Chiefs now as a Tyreek Hill replacement because of his size/speed ratio.

I'm not seeing what others see with Metchie.  Just a possession/slot guy, I think?  I've got my eyes set on guys like Moore, Shakir, Pierce, Tolbert.  I'm not sure Moore and Shakir are NFL Xs.  But their speed and change of direction quickness are really good.  If you had them at Z, then Zay would be an adequate X.  But Pierce or Tolbert could be your X.  Having any of those guys would enhance our WR corps.  It would create opportunities for everyone else.  Problem is that if you don't grab them in the 2nd, there's no guarantee they'll be there in the 3rd.  But based on the news conference, I don't think they are using capital to go up for a WR.  It wouldn't surprise me at all to see this be a defense heavy draft.  I don't prefer that.  I'd rather see OL, TE, and WR added.  I'm so sick of putrid offense on this team.  But my read is they think they've done enough on offense this off season.

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Fix the O-Line!

I think they're SOL when it comes to the WR position unless they're prepared and dead set on having one particular guy. They checked out John Metchie III though. He's ranging anywhere from late RD2 to early RD3. I mentioned in that other thread that they have plenty of picks at their disposal to come up and get a top WR.

Only challenge with that is the fact that there's a gauntlet of teams in RD1 with multiple picks that are in the market for a WR and it just so happens to align perfectly with where the value would be anyway at the position. So, tough market right now to be in.

I am convinced that unless they trade up on the opening night they won't bother looking at a WR until RD3. If there's a guy that maybe slips a bit or they panic that a team might take Metchie at the bottom of RD2 they might very well package up those 3RD round picks to  get ahead of them to get him.

I am assuming it's Hutchinson right off the bat, probably another defensive player that nobody suspects at 33 or a damn good RT or G there that offers great value overall and they either trade up that same night for Metchie or hang back in the 3RD round come Saturday.

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I also really like Calvin Austin III out of Memphis on my end. Had him as a target we trade up for in my final mock draft. There's links to him and the Chiefs now as a Tyreek Hill replacement because of his size/speed ratio.

I'm not seeing what others see with Metchie.  Just a possession/slot guy, I think?  I've got my eyes set on guys like Moore, Shakir, Pierce, Tolbert.  I'm not sure Moore and Shakir are NFL Xs.  But their speed and change of direction quickness are really good.  If you had them at Z, then Zay would be an adequate X.  But Pierce or Tolbert could be your X.  Having any of those guys would enhance our WR corps.  It would create opportunities for everyone else.  Problem is that if you don't grab them in the 2nd, there's no guarantee they'll be there in the 3rd.  But based on the news conference, I don't think they are using capital to go up for a WR.  It wouldn't surprise me at all to see this be a defense heavy draft.  I don't prefer that.  I'd rather see OL, TE, and WR added.  I'm so sick of putrid offense on this team.  But my read is they think they've done enough on offense this off season.

Other than having an Alabama pedigree. I am not sure either. However, in fairness. Alabama has been churning out relatively quality and competent WR's as of late in the NFL. He was consistent over the last two years. 

Personally. Out of this entire WR class. It's Jameson Williams or bust in RD1 for me. You would have to trade up to get him. But good luck convincing WR needy teams in RD1 to pass up on the chance to take him themselves. 

Outside of him though I like Jahan Dotson, Jalen Tolbert, Calvin Austin III, Skyy Moore, Wan'Dale Robinson, Danny Gray, David Bell & Tyquan Thornton.  I think there's good value there with good potential depending on where you take them of course. 

Dotson being probably the highest graded receiver out of that group above. He's either there at 33 or he's not. Tolbert, Moore & Robinson are probably solid pick-up's in RD3. Austin III & Thornton are interesting because of their speed. They either go in late RD2 or could be there in RD3 or early RD4. Just depends on what happens on the opening night really. 

David Bell is a sleeper for me. So is Danny Gray. Bell is more of a possession receiver that's going to have to win with his technique and route running at the next level. He has the potential though. I think he could be one of those guys that develops slowly along into a reliable 3rd down receiver like a Mohamed Sanu. Not flashy. Won't jump off the stat sheet but he can carve out a nice 10+ year career in the NFL just with technique and reliable hands alone. 

Gray is fast, fluid and can hurt you on all three levels of the passing game. His hands can be a little concerning at times but he offers a lot of value as a kick/punt returner and he's actually a quietly good blocker. He's got a lot of work to do at this level but, he's a splash play threat for sure. Good value in RD4 or later.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

I'm not seeing what others see with Metchie.  Just a possession/slot guy, I think?  I've got my eyes set on guys like Moore, Shakir, Pierce, Tolbert.  I'm not sure Moore and Shakir are NFL Xs.  But their speed and change of direction quickness are really good.  If you had them at Z, then Zay would be an adequate X.  But Pierce or Tolbert could be your X.  Having any of those guys would enhance our WR corps.  It would create opportunities for everyone else.  Problem is that if you don't grab them in the 2nd, there's no guarantee they'll be there in the 3rd.  But based on the news conference, I don't think they are using capital to go up for a WR.  It wouldn't surprise me at all to see this be a defense heavy draft.  I don't prefer that.  I'd rather see OL, TE, and WR added.  I'm so sick of putrid offense on this team.  But my read is they think they've done enough on offense this off season.

Other than having an Alabama pedigree. I am not sure either. However, in fairness. Alabama has been churning out relatively quality and competent WR's as of late in the NFL. He was consistent over the last two years. 

Personally. Out of this entire WR class. It's Jameson Williams or bust in RD1 for me. You would have to trade up to get him. But good luck convincing WR needy teams in RD1 to pass up on the chance to take him themselves. 

Outside of him though I like Jahan Dotson, Jalen Tolbert, Calvin Austin III, Skyy Moore, Wan'Dale Robinson, Danny Gray, David Bell & Tyquan Thornton.  I think there's good value there with good potential depending on where you take them of course. 

Dotson being probably the highest graded receiver out of that group above. He's either there at 33 or he's not. Tolbert, Moore & Robinson are probably solid pick-up's in RD3. Austin III & Thornton are interesting because of their speed. They either go in late RD2 or could be there in RD3 or early RD4. Just depends on what happens on the opening night really. 

David Bell is a sleeper for me. So is Danny Gray. Bell is more of a possession receiver that's going to have to win with his technique and route running at the next level. He has the potential though. I think he could be one of those guys that develops slowly along into a reliable 3rd down receiver like a Mohamed Sanu. Not flashy. Won't jump off the stat sheet but he can carve out a nice 10+ year career in the NFL just with technique and reliable hands alone. 

Gray is fast, fluid and can hurt you on all three levels of the passing game. His hands can be a little concerning at times but he offers a lot of value as a kick/punt returner and he's actually a quietly good blocker. He's got a lot of work to do at this level but, he's a splash play threat for sure. Good value in RD4 or later.

I forgot about Thornton.  Really fast!  Did not really know about Gray.  Good one.  Thanks.

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Fix the O-Line!

In Case You Missed It, here is yesterday's press conference.

https://youtu.be/wg8ao--a7v4

A few things stuck out to me.

1.  There was nothing that struck me as particularly alarming about anything they said.

2.  They have removed 20-30 players from the draft board because of character concerns.  It shouldn't surprise me, but when I first heard it, that struck me as a big number.

3.  Pederson was saying there isn't much in terms of depth at WR ( a good top heavy group) and IOL.  To me, that may mean that if a guy like Zion Johnson or a WR does not fall to 33, they trade back, assuming they are looking for those positions at 33.
What do you think?

Kind of weird. Normally, you hear a lot about certain players getting into trouble off the field, well before the draft. I haven't heard much of anything this year about anyone. The only thing I've really heard was about Devonte Wyatt, regarding a couple of domestic violence issues. To have 20-30 removed from the list for character concerns is surprising. Why haven't we been hearing any stories about these red flags?

I agree that this year's WR class is very top heavy, which is why I have been so adamant about wanting to trade up into the mid 1st round to get one of the top 5 guys. After those 5 are gone, there really isn't much difference between the WR's you get at #33 and the ones you get in rounds 4-5. I disagree about IOL. This is a very deep class of OG's and Centers. Probably the deepest group of Centers I've ever seen. I really think we might go IOL at #33, depending on who falls.

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I think they're SOL when it comes to the WR position unless they're prepared and dead set on having one particular guy. They checked out John Metchie III though. He's ranging anywhere from late RD2 to early RD3. I mentioned in that other thread that they have plenty of picks at their disposal to come up and get a top WR.

Only challenge with that is the fact that there's a gauntlet of teams in RD1 with multiple picks that are in the market for a WR and it just so happens to align perfectly with where the value would be anyway at the position. So, tough market right now to be in.

I am convinced that unless they trade up on the opening night they won't bother looking at a WR until RD3. If there's a guy that maybe slips a bit or they panic that a team might take Metchie at the bottom of RD2 they might very well package up those 3RD round picks to  get ahead of them to get him.

I am assuming it's Hutchinson right off the bat, probably another defensive player that nobody suspects at 33 or a damn good RT or G there that offers great value overall and they either trade up that same night for Metchie or hang back in the 3RD round come Saturday.

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I also really like Calvin Austin III out of Memphis on my end. Had him as a target we trade up for in my final mock draft. There's links to him and the Chiefs now as a Tyreek Hill replacement because of his size/speed ratio.

Agreed and I really don't have a problem with that strategy.

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I'm not seeing what others see with Metchie.  Just a possession/slot guy, I think?  I've got my eyes set on guys like Moore, Shakir, Pierce, Tolbert.  I'm not sure Moore and Shakir are NFL Xs.  But their speed and change of direction quickness are really good.  If you had them at Z, then Zay would be an adequate X.  But Pierce or Tolbert could be your X.  Having any of those guys would enhance our WR corps.  It would create opportunities for everyone else.  Problem is that if you don't grab them in the 2nd, there's no guarantee they'll be there in the 3rd.  But based on the news conference, I don't think they are using capital to go up for a WR.  It wouldn't surprise me at all to see this be a defense heavy draft.  I don't prefer that.  I'd rather see OL, TE, and WR added.  I'm so sick of putrid offense on this team.  But my read is they think they've done enough on offense this off season.

Other than having an Alabama pedigree. I am not sure either. However, in fairness. Alabama has been churning out relatively quality and competent WR's as of late in the NFL. He was consistent over the last two years. 

Personally. Out of this entire WR class. It's Jameson Williams or bust in RD1 for me. You would have to trade up to get him. But good luck convincing WR needy teams in RD1 to pass up on the chance to take him themselves. 

Outside of him though I like Jahan Dotson, Jalen Tolbert, Calvin Austin III, Skyy Moore, Wan'Dale Robinson, Danny Gray, David Bell & Tyquan Thornton.  I think there's good value there with good potential depending on where you take them of course. 

Dotson being probably the highest graded receiver out of that group above. He's either there at 33 or he's not. Tolbert, Moore & Robinson are probably solid pick-up's in RD3. Austin III & Thornton are interesting because of their speed. They either go in late RD2 or could be there in RD3 or early RD4. Just depends on what happens on the opening night really. 

David Bell is a sleeper for me. So is Danny Gray. Bell is more of a possession receiver that's going to have to win with his technique and route running at the next level. He has the potential though. I think he could be one of those guys that develops slowly along into a reliable 3rd down receiver like a Mohamed Sanu. Not flashy. Won't jump off the stat sheet but he can carve out a nice 10+ year career in the NFL just with technique and reliable hands alone. 

Gray is fast, fluid and can hurt you on all three levels of the passing game. His hands can be a little concerning at times but he offers a lot of value as a kick/punt returner and he's actually a quietly good blocker. He's got a lot of work to do at this level but, he's a splash play threat for sure. Good value in RD4 or later.

I really think we'll end up with one or a combination of David Bell, Jalen Tolbert, Tyquan Thornton, Danny Gray, Kevin Austin Jr., Isaiah Weston, Dai'Jean Dixon or Samori Toure. The one sleeper I have is Romeo Doubs. He didn't run the 40, but during the Senior Bowl they were using a radar gun to clock WR's speeds after the catch and he was clocked as one of the fastest WR's in that game.

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A couple of things that stuck out to me:

When asked about Ethan Waugh joining the front office, Baalke said he had seen the reports and it was news to him.  

When asked about trade interest, Baalke said that they have received no calls.  I understand that any trade offers aren't likely to come until right before the draft, so maybe it means nothing.  However, if I were a GM with a high interest in trading up, I would likely call just to get a ballpark of what Baalke might be asking.  It's a strange year.  Baalke says he is willing to trade down, but does that require a deal comparable to past years or as some suggested, would he be willing to trade down for a mere third rounder?  I'm not saying it won't happen, but after the press conference, I'm a little less optimistic that the Jaguars will trade down.

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If they can't trade down, Travon Walker shouldn't be the pick. I don't have faith in our coaching staff to develop "raw athletes" Chaisson is exhibit A that we shouldn't take a project at #1 overall. I think Hutch or Thibs should be the pick, and I'd even take Karlaftis over Walker if they insist on going Pass Rusher.

I get the vibe watching this that there is no consensus at what to do at #1. IMHO this negates the advantage of having the first overall pick, we should have had this settled when the calander flipped from March to April and began projecting what to do with our 2nd rounder and the rest of the picks to construct the roster. Having the first pick gives you so much flexibility bc you know you're guaranteed to get who you want to start things off, and it feels like we're squandering that with Baalke thinking he's the smartest guy in the room.

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Championship Formula:

1) Draft Trevor Lawrence!
2) Play good physical Defense! 
3) Keep 91% of the roster healthy!
4) ???
5) Blank #2
6) CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

Am I the only one thinking they seemed kinda “meh” on Hutchinson in that presser?

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Am I the only one thinking they seemed kinda “meh” on Hutchinson in that presser?

Which makes me think he is the pick.  They wanted to downplay their interest.

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Am I the only one thinking they seemed kinda “meh” on Hutchinson in that presser?

Which makes me think he is the pick.  They wanted to downplay their interest.

Exactly lol

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Am I the only one thinking they seemed kinda “meh” on Hutchinson in that presser?

Which makes me think he is the pick.  They wanted to downplay their interest.

I really hope this is the case. My biggest worry is that because of the Baalke-Harbaugh fallout with the Niners that Baalke being the petty snake he is, just removed Hutch from consideration as one of Jim Harbaugh's "guys".

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Championship Formula:

1) Draft Trevor Lawrence!
2) Play good physical Defense! 
3) Keep 91% of the roster healthy!
4) ???
5) Blank #2
6) CHAMPIONSHIP!!!

https://jaguarswire.usatoday.com/2022/04...us-groups/

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Glad they are focused on characters issues: We don't want another Ramsey Diva around here.

I don't want to gamble on Walker. Yes his combine was impressive but that's in the undie leagues. I know the excuse he did not have a chance because all of the talent around him but that also make me think he doesn't shine brighter than others. If the pick is Defensive end, Hutch is the proven rusher so just stick with the known instead of the Walker gamble. If Pederson and Baalke see a star Offensive tackle I would not be mad if they went in that direction either.

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Am I the only one thinking they seemed kinda “meh” on Hutchinson in that presser?

Which makes me think he is the pick.  They wanted to downplay their interest.

Really? At this Stage? For what? It’s not like anyone is clamoring for that 1st pick, they seemed totally flatline when discussing Hutch. Pederson even seemed kinda perplexed. 

Im kinda worried they have their eyes on an OL after that presser. I hope I’m wrong.

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In Case You Missed It, here is yesterday's press conference.

https://youtu.be/wg8ao--a7v4

A few things stuck out to me.

1.  There was nothing that struck me as particularly alarming about anything they said.  I got the same feeling. It was all matter-of-fact.

2.  They have removed 20-30 players from the draft board because of character concerns.  It shouldn't surprise me, but when I first heard it, that struck me as a big number. That is a huge number to me. they must have done a "Deep Dive" (Had to work that phrase in, my apologies)

3.  Pederson was saying there isn't much in terms of depth at WR ( a good top heavy group) and IOL.  To me, that may mean that if a guy like Zion Johnson or a WR does not fall to 33, they trade back, assuming they are looking for those positions at 33.
What do you think?   Since this is the week before the draft, that makes it opposite week, no?  That said the first pick of the second round seems to always be a valuable trade chip. Teams get done with day 1 and go "I can't believe player X is still on the board!" It wouldn't surprise me.

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

^^ why. Oline would be a great pick. That would help the jags run the ball and give tlaw time to throw it. It's not as "exciting" perhaps as another selection, but it might just be what the jags need.

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