Also cj henderson was a huge mistake. That was some jaguars bad luck. I still would have kept him and forced him to play. I guess we got arnold out of the trade which is good. I like his play if he can stay healthy, but I wonder who the jags could have picked instead of Henderson. I'm super disappointed in Henderson as I'm a huge gator fan and was hopeful about his talent.

Talk about a sunject that nauseates me?!? 

Who could we have gotten besides Henderson?!?

https://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/years/2020

We took Henderson 9th overall.

the next thirteeen selections were as follows:

10.  Cleveland-Jedrick Wills, T, Alabama (much of the board wanted this guy.  He easily would have been an upgrade at either T position.

11.  N.Y. Jets-Mekhi Becton, T, Louisville-Some liked him,  I did not.  But he minimally could have upgraded RT for us minimally, and if he were in shape, could have upgraded LT for us in 2020.

12.  Las Vegas-Henry Ruggs, WR, Alabama (probably the one pick that wound up worse than Henderson because he was stupid and reckless and killed a woman and her dog driving drunk going over 160 mph).  Full disclosure:  was one of the two players I pushed for the most.

  13.  Tampa Bay, Trustan Wirfs, T, Iowa-This was the other guy I was pushing for the most.  He has been a great RT for the Bucs, helping protect brady the past two years, helping the team win a Super Bowl.

14.  San Fran, Javon Kinlaw, DT, South Carolina-haven't followed him that closely since he went to SF, but it's my understanding he has been a solid contributor for them.

15.  Denver-Jerry Jeudy, WR, Alabama-if there was a 3rd guy I pushed, it was him.

16.  Atlanta-A.J. Terrell, CB, Clemson-I was not a big fan of his, because I was still embarrassed for him based upon how Burrow and Ja'Marr Chase embarrassed him in the College championship.  I thought they broke him.  But he has bounced back and has been very good for the Falcons.

17.  Dallas, Ceedee Lamb, WR, Oklahoma-Has been great for Dallas at a #2 or 3.  Gets to prove himself as the #1 guy.

18.  Miami-Austin Jackson, T, USC-Has been a massive disappointment for Miami, leading to their signing of Terron Armstead.

19.  Las Vegas-Damon Arnette, CB, Ohi State-another Raider out of the league.  Absolutely a disastrous draft by the Raiders.

20.  Jaguars, K'Lavon Chaisson, Edge, LSU.  Another disastrous draft miss by the Jaguars.

21.  Philadelphia-Jaelen Reagor, WR, Baylor-Massive disappointment for the Birds.

22.  Minnesota-Justin Jefferson, WR, LSU-a great slot WR.

By my count, there would be at least 8 of those picks that would have been a clear upgrade over Henderson and Chaisson COMBINED.

We can't have that any more.

There can be no more Bryan Angers over Russell Wilsons, or Tyson Alualus over Earl Thomas' or Jason Pierre Pauls/  We MUST get these picks right, starting this Thursday!

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

I think they will select Hutchinson. If they don't take him, it will not be for Walker, instead for another position. I could possibly see them delaying taking the edge player until pick 33 (ie. Mafe, Ebiketie...), as the edge position is deep and not truly elite at the top.

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I think they will select Hutchinson.  If they don't take him, it will not be for Walker, instead for another position.  I could possibly see them delaying taking the edge player until pick 33 (ie. Mafe, Ebiketie...), as the edge position is deep and not truly elite at the top.

Yeah. My hope has been OT at #1 and Edge at #33.

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Fix the O-Line!

I think they will select Hutchinson.  If they don't take him, it will not be for Walker, instead for another position.  I could possibly see them delaying taking the edge player until pick 33 (ie. Mafe, Ebiketie...), as the edge position is deep and not truly elite at the top.

Yeah. My hope has been OT at #1 and Edge at #33.

I'm with you on this.

Get Trevor some help, even if you re-sign Cam, take advantage of the depth at Edge rusher.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

Also cj henderson was a huge mistake. That was some jaguars bad luck. I still would have kept him and forced him to play. I guess we got arnold out of the trade which is good. I like his play if he can stay healthy, but I wonder who the jags could have picked instead of Henderson. I'm super disappointed in Henderson as I'm a huge gator fan and was hopeful about his talent.

Bad luck? No. That was bad drafting. Dude was a complete headcase and we didn't know it, because from the reports I read, Caldwell didn't even bother to interview him before the draft. Who does that? Isn't that the very least a GM could've done?

I specifically remember that for the first time in a long time, almost the entire board was in agreement immediately after that draft that we should've taken Tristan Wirfs at #9 and Justin Jefferson at #20. I also wanted Jaylon Johnson at #42, although others wanted Antoine Winfield. Either would've been better options than what we ended up with.

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Alright, I am going into this draft supporting the QB as much as possible.   I am calling San Francisco and making a move to swap first and maybe a bit more for Deebo Samuel.  If I can't work it out then I'm calling Seattle and see if we can work out a swap of first rounders for DK Metcalf.   If I can't work out either and stuck with the pick, I am going with the safe bet in Hutchinson.  At least he should be a 6-8 sack guy but could also become a 12+ sack guy.  Tavon Walker is interesting but I do not think this team should gamble.

You?

The problem with trading for either receiver is that both are going to want a new deal, and we are strapped for cash. So part of the deal would have to be for us to send guy(s) with big salaries in the current season to free up enough cash to allow us to throw even more money at a position we've disproportionately spent on already this offseason. Neither the Hawks or the Niners are in much position to take on salary dumps, either, so even trading our first and players for either receiver without a pick in return would be out of the question, too.

As much as some want to dismiss the notion, I think we gave Kirk primary receiver money because they believe he can be the primary receiver. Can he be the guy? I don't know, and this might be the move that decides Baalke's fate as our GM.

I will be absolutely shocked if we trade for either guy this weekend. I'll agree that Hutch is the safest pick at 1, and given how we swung for the fences in FA, taking the base hit in the darft might be the wisest move.

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No, I wouldn't come back unless Shad Khan either sold the team or stepped down and let Tony run things. 

For me it's not about Travon Walker not being a good player. I believe he is. IMO, he is a Ziggy Ansah clone. They are almost identical in size and neither were really talked about until they put up incredible workout numbers at the Combine. Ansah had some really good seasons with the Lions, but he belonged in a 4-3 scheme and that is where he had his best years. Travon Walker either belongs in a 4-3 scheme as a DE or a 3-4 scheme as a DE. We desperately need a 3-4 OLB who can also be a 4-3 DE. Taking Walker #1 is a huge, unnecessary risk and every time this team takes risks we get burned. Why do it again? It makes no sense. Hutchinson is a safe pick with a high floor and has played 3-4 OLB and 4-3 DE, just like we need. "Sauce" Gardner is probably the safest pick in the draft. I don't like Ekwonu at #1 overall, but if he fails as an OT, I believe he would make a very good NFL OG, so he's a much safer pick as well. Jameson Williams fills our biggest need and almost the entire fan base was wanting to draft him before the injury. He is way ahead of schedule on his rehab and he would be a much safer pick too. Why chose the one player that has so many areas where he could fail? It's just not smart business. 

Today on the NFL Network they had a round table discussing the Jaguars possibly drafting Walker #1 overall. They were all laughing at us and bringing up how we have picked in the top ten 14 out of the last 15 years. I guess that never occurred to me before. How could we fail that many times? They told how the team either failed at drafting or couldn't hold onto the few players they actually hit on. I'm just completely worn down by this team's bad decision making. We need to stop looking for homeruns and start rebuilding this team by looking for singles, doubles and triples. We've struck out on our drafting way too much. Just look what we did when we traded Jalen Ramsey. We basically got nothing in return, because we did such a poor job drafting. 

I know I've threatened to jump off a bridge in jest, (I assumed this was implied. I'm not really suicidal.) I've also said I'd punch a hole in the wall, which unfortunately I have done in the past and will probably never do again, because it was not fun patching the hole. I am serious about leaving this team though. The older I get, the more health issues I have and many of them are due to stress. I know I take football way too seriously. I can't help it though. Instead of enjoying football like most fans, this team just gets my blood pressure boiling with the complete incompetence from the front office and ownership. I keep thinking next season will be better, but it only seems to get worse. We finally get a franchise QB and we are doing nothing to help him other than signing Brandon Scherff and an average slot receiver who will probably be our #1 receiver, due to the pure lack of talent from the rest of the WR group. I've seen 90% of the posters on this message board draft way better than the actual team does year after year. That shouldn't happen, but it does, all the time. I love this team so much, but I'll have to take a step back if walker is selected. I'm getting to the point where I'm worried I might end up having a heart attack or a stroke. 

Hopefully, all this Walker talk is just a smokescreen though and we end up selecting one of the "safe" players in this draft. All I can do is pray that we have learned our lesson and we're finally gonna do the right thing. I guess we'll all find out on Thursday.

Well, FWIW, Shad Khan reportedly supports drafting Hutchinson #1 overall.

As for Walker, if you truly compare him  favorably to Ziggy Ansah, then it doesn't make much sense to dump the team for getting an Ansah.  You say his best fit is as a 4-3 DE.  I agree with that.  It doesn't mean, however, that he can't function well within a 3-4, especially as an edge rusher.  If he can run a 4.51 40 at that weight, what could he do 5-10 lbs lighter?  He'd have the length to do well as a pass rusher, and his pure power would make him virtually unblockable by anyone other than a T.  But if you saw him as purely a 3-4 DE, it doesn't mean he couldn't contribute to the pass rush.  Bruce Smith, Neil Smith, Justin Smith and JJ Watt all managed to do that.  As a 3-4 DE, I would be happy if he became Justin Smith v. 2.0.  My problem with the selection is because of the way he seemed to be utilized at Georgia, he never developed many pass rush moves (Top Billin' has a video breakdown of him that is instructive on how he was utilized), and it would take the Jaguars coaches to develop him.  Based on this team's history, we haven't done a good job developing players at all.  This current coaching staff hasn't been here long enough to establish a track record for developing players.  My thing is even assuming they can develop him, how long will it take him to be a serious pass rushing threat?  That said, we don't know how the coaches will utilize him just yet, assuming he would be the pick.  Maybe if they freed him up to be primarily an edge pass rusher, maybe they can develop the moves in him to be productive.

As for the team's draft history/inability to retain the few good players we've drafted...ugh!  I have dedicated for more thought and board posts to those subjects than I care to.

FTR, I never thought you to be suicidal...just hilariously prone to hyperbole and exaggeration.  Health?  Believe me, I know where you are coming from health wise.  You and I are roughly the same age.  My body's check engine light came on a few years back, and it has negatively impacted my life, and it has negatively impacted my posting quality.  By all means, take care of yourself and your health.  I'm just fearful this team is on the cusp of a  major turnaround, and the thought of jumping ship now and missing out on it would sicken me to no end.

It does when you figure that Ziggy Ansah went to a perfect system that fit his skill set and still flamed out very quickly. He basically hasn't done anything for the last 3 seasons and many believe his career is likely over after 8 years. Ansah had more sacks his last year at BYU that Walker had his entire career at Georgia, so people knew he had the ability to get to the QB. With Walker, there is a huge question mark in that regard. Walker would not be coming into a scheme that fits his skill set, so there would likely be a huge learning curve as he tries to learn a whole new position at OLB. It would almost be like selecting a Ziggy Ansah clone, only the clone would come into the league with basically one hand tied behind his back. The last time we drafted a player in the first round that we intended to move to a new position was Matt Jones. That didn't turn out so well. 

The problem with projecting his Combine numbers into an NFL skill set is that he has obviously had this athletic ability all along, so why the lack of production? Using players like Bruce Smith, Neil Smith, Justin Smith and J.J. Watt as examples are very unfair. Bruce Smith had 46 career sacks at Virginia Tech, Neil Smith was an All-American pass rusher at Nebraska, Justin Smith set Missouri's sack record his first year as a starter and broke it the following season and J.J. Watt was an absolute "Beast" coming into the draft. He was probably the most feared pass rusher in the entire NCAA and commanded constant double teams, because of his size and non-stop motor. None of these guys had questions about their ability to pass rush coming into the draft, yet that is the main knock on Walker. 

If we kept Walker at 3-4 DE, what do we do with the other players on the roster? We are absolutely loaded at DE and NT in a 3-4 set. Those are without a doubt, our strongest positions right now. 3-4 DE's are mainly used for run defense, unless you find a very special pass rusher like an Aaron Donald. I really don't think you would find anyone in the world who would believe Walker compares to Donald. Again, Donald was an elite college sack artist and had almost 30 for his college career. Walker by all means is a "project" and you just don't draft "projects" in the first round, especially #1 overall when you've been picking in the top ten, 14 out of 15 straight years.  

You take care of yourself as well. You are the M.V.P. of this board IMO. Posters on here need you to be the one to keep a level head, we need you around as long as possible. It sucks when you get older and stressful things and outside influences begin to effect your health and well being. I wish I didn't feel things, emotionally as much as I do. It makes stress a major factor in my overall health. I wish I could just watch football for the entertainment value and not let all the other stuff bother me so much, but I'm not built that way. When I see things failing over and over again with no change in how they are being done, it drives me crazy! I think I get that from my dad and grandpa. It's in the genes. 

In any case, I just hope that this is all a smokescreen and we truly are gonna take a "safe" player and after over a decade, we can finally turn this ship around. Right now, I choose to believe we will do the smart thing. I hope this team doesn't let us down, again.

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Yeah. My hope has been OT at #1 and Edge at #33.

I'm with you on this.

Get Trevor some help, even if you re-sign Cam, take advantage of the depth at Edge rusher.

If we really, truly wanted to get Trevor some help, we'd draft Jameson Williams #1. I hate Dan Orlovsky, but he suggested the same exact thing on ESPN yesterday. Protection wasn't the main issue for Lawrence last season, it was finding WR's who could get open and actually make the catches. So far, nothing has changed in that regard. We still completely lack any "impact" receivers.

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I'm with you on this.

Get Trevor some help, even if you re-sign Cam, take advantage of the depth at Edge rusher.

If we really, truly wanted to get Trevor some help, we'd draft Jameson Williams #1. I hate Dan Orlovsky, but he suggested the same exact thing on ESPN yesterday. Protection wasn't the main issue for Lawrence last season, it was finding WR's who could get open and actually make the catches. So far, nothing has changed in that regard. We still completely lack any "impact" receivers.

When do you think he'd be healthy enough to make impact?

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If we really, truly wanted to get Trevor some help, we'd draft Jameson Williams #1. I hate Dan Orlovsky, but he suggested the same exact thing on ESPN yesterday. Protection wasn't the main issue for Lawrence last season, it was finding WR's who could get open and actually make the catches. So far, nothing has changed in that regard. We still completely lack any "impact" receivers.

When do you think he'd be healthy enough to make impact?

I think he could make a bit of an impact late in the 2022 season, but I could see him exploding in 2023 and being one of the best WR's in the NFL, which would be fine with me. We are a terrible team. We have time. This is a marathon, not a sprint. By all accounts and video I have seen of his rehab, he is way ahead of schedule. He says he plans to be ready by the start of the season and is already sprinting and doing agility drills, which is nothing short of amazing. If he continues his epic recovery, he may even make an impact by mid-season of this year. A player like him could do wonders for Trevor Lawrence.

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If we really, truly wanted to get Trevor some help, we'd draft Jameson Williams #1. I hate Dan Orlovsky, but he suggested the same exact thing on ESPN yesterday. Protection wasn't the main issue for Lawrence last season, it was finding WR's who could get open and actually make the catches. So far, nothing has changed in that regard. We still completely lack any "impact" receivers.

When do you think he'd be healthy enough to make impact?

He should be ready to go late September or October.

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Well, FWIW, Shad Khan reportedly supports drafting Hutchinson #1 overall.

As for Walker, if you truly compare him  favorably to Ziggy Ansah, then it doesn't make much sense to dump the team for getting an Ansah.  You say his best fit is as a 4-3 DE.  I agree with that.  It doesn't mean, however, that he can't function well within a 3-4, especially as an edge rusher.  If he can run a 4.51 40 at that weight, what could he do 5-10 lbs lighter?  He'd have the length to do well as a pass rusher, and his pure power would make him virtually unblockable by anyone other than a T.  But if you saw him as purely a 3-4 DE, it doesn't mean he couldn't contribute to the pass rush.  Bruce Smith, Neil Smith, Justin Smith and JJ Watt all managed to do that.  As a 3-4 DE, I would be happy if he became Justin Smith v. 2.0.  My problem with the selection is because of the way he seemed to be utilized at Georgia, he never developed many pass rush moves (Top Billin' has a video breakdown of him that is instructive on how he was utilized), and it would take the Jaguars coaches to develop him.  Based on this team's history, we haven't done a good job developing players at all.  This current coaching staff hasn't been here long enough to establish a track record for developing players.  My thing is even assuming they can develop him, how long will it take him to be a serious pass rushing threat?  That said, we don't know how the coaches will utilize him just yet, assuming he would be the pick.  Maybe if they freed him up to be primarily an edge pass rusher, maybe they can develop the moves in him to be productive.

As for the team's draft history/inability to retain the few good players we've drafted...ugh!  I have dedicated for more thought and board posts to those subjects than I care to.

FTR, I never thought you to be suicidal...just hilariously prone to hyperbole and exaggeration.  Health?  Believe me, I know where you are coming from health wise.  You and I are roughly the same age.  My body's check engine light came on a few years back, and it has negatively impacted my life, and it has negatively impacted my posting quality.  By all means, take care of yourself and your health.  I'm just fearful this team is on the cusp of a  major turnaround, and the thought of jumping ship now and missing out on it would sicken me to no end.

It does when you figure that Ziggy Ansah went to a perfect system that fit his skill set and still flamed out very quickly. He basically hasn't done anything for the last 3 seasons and many believe his career is likely over after 8 years. Ansah had more sacks his last year at BYU that Walker had his entire career at Georgia, so people knew he had the ability to get to the QB. With Walker, there is a huge question mark in that regard. Walker would not be coming into a scheme that fits his skill set, so there would likely be a huge learning curve as he tries to learn a whole new position at OLB. It would almost be like selecting a Ziggy Ansah clone, only the clone would come into the league with basically one hand tied behind his back. The last time we drafted a player in the first round that we intended to move to a new position was Matt Jones. That didn't turn out so well. 

The problem with projecting his Combine numbers into an NFL skill set is that he has obviously had this athletic ability all along, so why the lack of production? Using players like Bruce Smith, Neil Smith, Justin Smith and J.J. Watt as examples are very unfair. Bruce Smith had 46 career sacks at Virginia Tech, Neil Smith was an All-American pass rusher at Nebraska, Justin Smith set Missouri's sack record his first year as a starter and broke it the following season and J.J. Watt was an absolute "Beast" coming into the draft. He was probably the most feared pass rusher in the entire NCAA and commanded constant double teams, because of his size and non-stop motor. None of these guys had questions about their ability to pass rush coming into the draft, yet that is the main knock on Walker. 

If we kept Walker at 3-4 DE, what do we do with the other players on the roster? We are absolutely loaded at DE and NT in a 3-4 set. Those are without a doubt, our strongest positions right now. 3-4 DE's are mainly used for run defense, unless you find a very special pass rusher like an Aaron Donald. I really don't think you would find anyone in the world who would believe Walker compares to Donald. Again, Donald was an elite college sack artist and had almost 30 for his college career. Walker by all means is a "project" and you just don't draft "projects" in the first round, especially #1 overall when you've been picking in the top ten, 14 out of 15 straight years.  


In any case, I just hope that this is all a smokescreen and we truly are gonna take a "safe" player and after over a decade, we can finally turn this ship around. Right now, I choose to believe we will do the smart thing. I hope this team doesn't let us down, again.

1.  We don't know exactly what Caldwell will do with the scheme though.  We know he will run a 3-4 base, but that's about it.  Most of the time we'll be in a base nickel, by Pederson's estimation.  We don't know how creative or flexible Caldwell will be in utilizing his players.  He may well utilize Walker in a way that better utilizes his skill set than Georgia did and get the most out of his pass rushing ability. 

2.  As for what to do with the other players...what other players do we have along the front 3...specifically DE...that;s indispensable?  I was saying last year when we signed all of these guys than none of them were dominators.  They weren't.  While there was improvement from 20-21, there were times we got hammered in the running game (SF, 1st quarter vs. Indy in game one) and could get no pressure in the passing game.  If we added Walker strictly as a 3-4 DE, he could still improve the front generally and pass rush specifically.  If he has the tools to be a dominant edge rusher...even better.  Furthermore, though I prefer to stack up on offense, there is nothing at this point that precludes the team from stacking up on defense the first two rounds.  What would the defense look like with Walker and say Mafe after the first two rounds?  I'd say if the goal was to improve the pass rush, that combination would accomplish that goal too. In fairness, I was not comparing Walker yo any of the Smiths I listed above.  I only named them to illustrte it's possible to get good pass rush from a 3-4 DE.  That said, J.J. Watt wasn't picked until 11th or 12th, and only produced 5 sacks as a rookie.  It took some time and development for him to be J.J. Watt.  I have my doubts abouut the player and the coaching, but it's possible he could develop into a good edge rusher too.

3,  This time last year, we were in the ideal situation in terms of draft position and the talent pool available.  We had a huge need at the most important position, and the top of the draft had a guy who most observers seemed to think was the best QB prospect to come out in years.  Below him were four other QBs carrying first round grades...two of which were drafted immediately after Trevor Lawrence, one more at pick 11 or so, and then the last at 15.  This year, it's not so good.  This year, the draft class seems completely devoid of the clear cut stud at the top of the draft class.  It makes it far less likely to be able to trade back and get anything remotely resembling a lucrative draft haul in return.  Bor does there appear to be a Julius Peppers type of player.  We have a bunch of flawed candidates at the top of this draft class from which to choose.  While I don't think it's as bad as the 2013 draft class, I do think like 2013 (and 1991 (Russell Maryland), too) it may be lackluster at the very top, especially in comparison to last year.  No matter who we pick, there is some reason to think we might be at least mildly disappointed with the results, especially in the rookie season.  While not the move I would make, I could see a team in this instance gambling on potential to swing for the fences.  Still don't think it's worth dumping your team over it.  As far as stress goes..the only thing I can advise is to not expect much from the team.  Since 2000, botching the draft has been as traditional to the team as teal jerseys.  Don't expect much...and if they exceed your expectations...great.  If not...your disappointment will be mitigated to some degree.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

When do you think he'd be healthy enough to make impact?

He should be ready to go late September or October.

Wow. 
Even if he's "full go" for November and December he's worth consideration. 
Didn't realize he was on that trajectory.

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Also cj henderson was a huge mistake. That was some jaguars bad luck. I still would have kept him and forced him to play. I guess we got arnold out of the trade which is good. I like his play if he can stay healthy, but I wonder who the jags could have picked instead of Henderson. I'm super disappointed in Henderson as I'm a huge gator fan and was hopeful about his talent.

Talk about a sunject that nauseates me?!? 

Who could we have gotten besides Henderson?!?

https://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/years/2020

We took Henderson 9th overall.

the next thirteeen selections were as follows:

10.  Cleveland-Jedrick Wills, T, Alabama (much of the board wanted this guy.  He easily would have been an upgrade at either T position.

11.  N.Y. Jets-Mekhi Becton, T, Louisville-Some liked him,  I did not.  But he minimally could have upgraded RT for us minimally, and if he were in shape, could have upgraded LT for us in 2020.

12.  Las Vegas-Henry Ruggs, WR, Alabama (probably the one pick that wound up worse than Henderson because he was stupid and reckless and killed a woman and her dog driving drunk going over 160 mph).  Full disclosure:  was one of the two players I pushed for the most.

  13.  Tampa Bay, Trustan Wirfs, T, Iowa-This was the other guy I was pushing for the most.  He has been a great RT for the Bucs, helping protect brady the past two years, helping the team win a Super Bowl.

14.  San Fran, Javon Kinlaw, DT, South Carolina-haven't followed him that closely since he went to SF, but it's my understanding he has been a solid contributor for them.

15.  Denver-Jerry Jeudy, WR, Alabama-if there was a 3rd guy I pushed, it was him.

16.  Atlanta-A.J. Terrell, CB, Clemson-I was not a big fan of his, because I was still embarrassed for him based upon how Burrow and Ja'Marr Chase embarrassed him in the College championship.  I thought they broke him.  But he has bounced back and has been very good for the Falcons.

17.  Dallas, Ceedee Lamb, WR, Oklahoma-Has been great for Dallas at a #2 or 3.  Gets to prove himself as the #1 guy.

18.  Miami-Austin Jackson, T, USC-Has been a massive disappointment for Miami, leading to their signing of Terron Armstead.

19.  Las Vegas-Damon Arnette, CB, Ohi State-another Raider out of the league.  Absolutely a disastrous draft by the Raiders.

20.  Jaguars, K'Lavon Chaisson, Edge, LSU.  Another disastrous draft miss by the Jaguars.

21.  Philadelphia-Jaelen Reagor, WR, Baylor-Massive disappointment for the Birds.

22.  Minnesota-Justin Jefferson, WR, LSU-a great slot WR.

By my count, there would be at least 8 of those picks that would have been a clear upgrade over Henderson and Chaisson COMBINED.

We can't have that any more.

There can be no more Bryan Angers over Russell Wilsons, or Tyson Alualus over Earl Thomas' or Jason Pierre Pauls/  We MUST get these picks right, starting this Thursday!

Wow. A lot of good players and some busts there. Smh

Lamb would have been great and some other ones. Ouch

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So I was just listening to 1010 XL and Tony Pauline gave a very strong endorsement to Travon Walker as the best player in the draft.

Just FYI.

I know a lot of people seem to think that Trent Baalke is the only person who loves Travon Walker and apparently it's not true.

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I'm with you on this.

Get Trevor some help, even if you re-sign Cam, take advantage of the depth at Edge rusher.

If we really, truly wanted to get Trevor some help, we'd draft Jameson Williams #1. I hate Dan Orlovsky, but he suggested the same exact thing on ESPN yesterday. Protection wasn't the main issue for Lawrence last season, it was finding WR's who could get open and actually make the catches. So far, nothing has changed in that regard. We still completely lack any "impact" receivers.

I saw that segment and he was absolutely right.  We have been of the same mindset for Jameson Williams for as long as I can remember.  We both either wanted to trade back for him and strongly considered taking him at 1 even if we couldn't move back.  Even with the injury, I realize I would still be excited over taking him at 1.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

Jamo is the player that I have the most confidence in that he will be a star.

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So I was just listening to 1010 XL and Tony Pauline gave a very strong endorsement to Travon Walker as the best player in the draft.

Just FYI.

I know a lot of people seem to think that Trent Baalke is the only person who loves Travon Walker and apparently it's not true.

The other guest segment this morning on 1010xl was Greg Cosell, who I have a lot of respect for due to his experience and extensive film study.  Surprisingly, he thinks the best X receiver in this draft is going to be George Pickens.  My first thought was "no way", but maybe I need to keep an open mind.

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Alright, I am going into this draft supporting the QB as much as possible.   I am calling San Francisco and making a move to swap first and maybe a bit more for Deebo Samuel.  If I can't work it out then I'm calling Seattle and see if we can work out a swap of first rounders for DK Metcalf.   If I can't work out either and stuck with the pick, I am going with the safe bet in Hutchinson.  At least he should be a 6-8 sack guy but could also become a 12+ sack guy.  Tavon Walker is interesting but I do not think this team should gamble.

You?

The problem with trading for either receiver is that both are going to want a new deal, and we are strapped for cash. So part of the deal would have to be for us to send guy(s) with big salaries in the current season to free up enough cash to allow us to throw even more money at a position we've disproportionately spent on already this offseason. Neither the Hawks or the Niners are in much position to take on salary dumps, either, so even trading our first and players for either receiver without a pick in return would be out of the question, too.

As much as some want to dismiss the notion, I think we gave Kirk primary receiver money because they believe he can be the primary receiver. Can he be the guy? I don't know, and this might be the move that decides Baalke's fate as our GM.

I will be absolutely shocked if we trade for either guy this weekend. I'll agree that Hutch is the safest pick at 1, and given how we swung for the fences in FA, taking the base hit in the darft might be the wisest move.

I understand what you’re saying and I know how the salary cap works. But the one thing I don’t understand is how in the actual [BLEEP] LA manages to continue to spend big on multiple players with 100mil+ contracts and still beat the cap? I guess them shedding guys like Gurley and Goff  free up some room but there is still multiple guys that take massive hits out of their cap that are still on the team… Other than Kirk we really don’t have a player who is making ridiculous money and even Kirk is making normal wide receiver(top tier) money. I just don’t understand how they manage it. I would say the logical explanation is they are drafting really well but they are trading away half of their top picks on any given year. 

We had arguable the least talented roster and after one spending spree in FA we are broke… sucks to suck I guess.

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Talk about a sunject that nauseates me?!? 

Who could we have gotten besides Henderson?!?

https://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/years/2020

We took Henderson 9th overall.

the next thirteeen selections were as follows:

10.  Cleveland-Jedrick Wills, T, Alabama (much of the board wanted this guy.  He easily would have been an upgrade at either T position.

11.  N.Y. Jets-Mekhi Becton, T, Louisville-Some liked him,  I did not.  But he minimally could have upgraded RT for us minimally, and if he were in shape, could have upgraded LT for us in 2020.

12.  Las Vegas-Henry Ruggs, WR, Alabama (probably the one pick that wound up worse than Henderson because he was stupid and reckless and killed a woman and her dog driving drunk going over 160 mph).  Full disclosure:  was one of the two players I pushed for the most.

  13.  Tampa Bay, Trustan Wirfs, T, Iowa-This was the other guy I was pushing for the most.  He has been a great RT for the Bucs, helping protect brady the past two years, helping the team win a Super Bowl.

14.  San Fran, Javon Kinlaw, DT, South Carolina-haven't followed him that closely since he went to SF, but it's my understanding he has been a solid contributor for them.

15.  Denver-Jerry Jeudy, WR, Alabama-if there was a 3rd guy I pushed, it was him.

16.  Atlanta-A.J. Terrell, CB, Clemson-I was not a big fan of his, because I was still embarrassed for him based upon how Burrow and Ja'Marr Chase embarrassed him in the College championship.  I thought they broke him.  But he has bounced back and has been very good for the Falcons.

17.  Dallas, Ceedee Lamb, WR, Oklahoma-Has been great for Dallas at a #2 or 3.  Gets to prove himself as the #1 guy.

18.  Miami-Austin Jackson, T, USC-Has been a massive disappointment for Miami, leading to their signing of Terron Armstead.

19.  Las Vegas-Damon Arnette, CB, Ohi State-another Raider out of the league.  Absolutely a disastrous draft by the Raiders.

20.  Jaguars, K'Lavon Chaisson, Edge, LSU.  Another disastrous draft miss by the Jaguars.

21.  Philadelphia-Jaelen Reagor, WR, Baylor-Massive disappointment for the Birds.

22.  Minnesota-Justin Jefferson, WR, LSU-a great slot WR.

By my count, there would be at least 8 of those picks that would have been a clear upgrade over Henderson and Chaisson COMBINED.

We can't have that any more.

There can be no more Bryan Angers over Russell Wilsons, or Tyson Alualus over Earl Thomas' or Jason Pierre Pauls/  We MUST get these picks right, starting this Thursday!

Wow. A lot of good players and some busts there. Smh

Lamb would have been great and some other ones. Ouch

Just like every draft.

The problem is, the Jaguars have developed a knack of finding busts and drafting them.

Since 2000...

2000  R Jay Soward-Bust
2001 Marcus Stroud-Excellent player
2002 John Henderson-Excellent player
2003-Byron leftwich-Disappointment
2004 Reggie Williams-Bust
2005 Matt Jones-Bust
2006 Marcedes Lewis-Good player-not as productive because of team inability to develop good pass protection
2007 Reggie Nelson-Disappointment
2008 Derrick Harvey=Bust
2009 Eugene Monroe-Disappointment
2010 Tyson Alualu-disappointment
2011 Blaine Gabbert-Bust
2012 Justin Blackmon-Bust
2013 Luke Joeckel-Bust
2014 Blake Bortles-Disappointment
2015 Dante Fowler-Disappointment/bust
2016 Jalen ramsey-great player
2017 Leonard Fournette-Disappointment
2018 Taven Bryan-Bust
2019 Josh Allen-Good player who has suffered without surrounding help
2020  CJ Henderson-Bust
         K'Lavon Chaisson-Bust

That's 17 first round picks who qualify as a bust or disappointment since 2000, including 3 QBs.

That HAS to STOP!

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!