In a League designed for offense and with a generational talent at QB...we took linebackers and cornerbacks.

We took players to try and slow them down.

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Me too.

Listening to/reading the various talking heads, the Lloyd and Muma picks aren't being trashed for value.  Everyone says they are good value.  The people who are criticising the picks have other reasons for doing so.  One guy said the Muma pick wasn't necessary becaus the FO drafted Lloyd and signed Oluakun in free agency.

Meanwhile, I can't wait to see the various personnel groupings and blitz packages the defense will offer.

Everybody constantly complains about this team lacking talent overall. We now add that talent and people are upset about it. Add the top talent regardless of the position and let the coaches figure out what to do with them. That's what the good teams do.

Fit the scheme around the talent, don't try and force players into a scheme. This team has stayed trying to force players into certain schemes and its constantly bit us in the [BLEEP] time and time again.

With as many roster deficiencies we had coming into the draft, we weren't going to adequately fill every hole.  There had been mocks in April that had Lloyd in the top of the first round (I'd seen him as high as 9).  Conversely, I'd never seen Christian Watson higher than a late 1m but mostly I'd seen him as a 2nd....and as low as a 3rd round pick.  I'd seen Muma as a 2nd round pick in some spots. 


Believe me, I get the desire to give Trevor Lawrence some more help.  But so many WRs were taken in the first and second rounds, it couldn't have been done without sacrificing value or a bunch of extra picks trading up again.

But value wise, those linebacker picks were fine.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

This was a good draft on paper overall. A good defense can add valuable time of possession or create turnovers for your offense. Between the additions they made and the investments they made in free agency I am not upset about how this draft unfolded.

There's a reason why a record number of WR's went early in this year's draft between the first two rounds and why a good number of players on offense that we all coveted ultimately ended up falling multiple rounds. It was not a good year on offense class wise.

I think the most overlooked and understated aspect of this off season though has been the fact that Pederson runs an RPO and Lawrence was comfortable and excelled within a RPO system at Clemson. He should be able to showcase his ability and his football IQ more this year. I also trust Pederson as a play caller a whole hell of a lot more than anybody this team has had over the past decade.

Baalke went with value early. I am not going to bash him for that. He signed Christian Kirk, Zay Jones, Evan Ingram & Brandon Scherff on offense this year and he already invested a pick/player via trade in Dan Arnold last year and an additional first round selection was made for Etienne. Arnold was actually making some decent progress despite being gained a month into the season. Walker Little was also a 2nd RD pick last year.

I think Fortner and Conner will add a lot of value to the team this year when it's all said and done. We needed a Center with Linder's retirement. We needed a power runner in the backfield and an insurance policy with Robinson and Etienne still on the mend and shaking the rust off. You got that with Conner. Hit the end zone a lot in spite of limited touches in his career.

Everyone wanted a WR. They got one for free essentially yesterday with Kevin Austin and there's still a chance to keep churning the UDFA market or even trade for or sign another veteran. What's funny to me is that, the guy that NEVER drafted a quality WR during his tenure in San Francisco, the guy that got made fun of on here because of his inability to find a quality receiver? Is now getting blasted for not drafting one. It's hilarious. He didn't reach. He didn't take anybody coming off an ACL this year.

He went out and got smart, fast & physical football players on defense that we desperately needed. Tough crowd on here.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Exhibit A on how not to be a mod. 

1. Enters thread and adds nothing of value to a thread.
2. Derails thread while hurling insults. Crying like a little girl. Someone must have peed in his cheerios or in his face.
3. While I have already said it's a new day with Pederson and the new regime, continues to clinch his butt to the past. Like an old man shaking a stick. Broken records 

Back to the block list with negative Nancy here. I guess the standards to be a mod are low on duval pride. Clowns running the circus.

Holding you accountable to the many pages of garbage we all endured from you while you casually attempt to act as if it never happened.

That's all. 

Carry on. 

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Here's something happy and positive for all the real fans out there:

https://twitter.com/osdnmedia/status/152...1PcdGnvgEg

That was nice to see.

It happens with every player drafted, but this was a late draftee, so I guess on some level it hit me differently.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

This was a good draft on paper overall. A good defense can add valuable time of possession or create turnovers for your offense. Between the additions they made and the investments they made in free agency I am not upset about how this draft unfolded.

There's a reason why a record number of WR's went early in this year's draft between the first two rounds and why a good number of players on offense that we all coveted ultimately ended up falling multiple rounds. It was not a good year on offense class wise.

I think the most overlooked and understated aspect of this off season though has been the fact that Pederson runs an RPO and Lawrence was comfortable and excelled within a RPO system at Clemson. He should be able to showcase his ability and his football IQ more this year. I also trust Pederson as a play caller a whole hell of a lot more than anybody this team has had over the past decade.

Baalke went with value early. I am not going to bash him for that. He signed Christian Kirk, Zay Jones, Evan Ingram & Brandon Scherff on offense this year and he already invested a pick/player via trade in Dan Arnold last year and an additional first round selection was made for Etienne. Arnold was actually making some decent progress despite being gained a month into the season. Walker Little was also a 2nd RD pick last year.

I think Fortner and Conner will add a lot of value to the team this year when it's all said and done. We needed a Center with Linder's retirement. We needed a power runner in the backfield and an insurance policy with Robinson and Etienne still on the mend and shaking the rust off. You got that with Conner. Hit the end zone a lot in spite of limited touches in his career.

Everyone wanted a WR. They got one for free essentially yesterday with Kevin Austin and there's still a chance to keep churning the UDFA market or even trade for or sign another veteran. What's funny to me is that, the guy that NEVER drafted a quality WR during his tenure in San Francisco, the guy that got made fun of on here because of his inability to find a quality receiver? Is now getting blasted for not drafting one. It's hilarious. He didn't reach. He didn't take anybody coming off an ACL this year.

He went out and got smart, fast & physical football players on defense that we desperately needed. Tough crowd on here.

As to your second paragraph, it goes back to what Pederson was saying before the draft...that the depth was not there at WR and interior OL.

As to the value of the picks vs the position, let's face it, we couldn't have gotten value at WR in the first round without trading up higher.  The Jaguars got no offers to trade back from #1 overall, so that wasn't an option.   Though some of us would not have minded taking Jameson Williams #1 overall, had Baalke done that or taken any other WR, he would have been savaged by critics.  Williams is the one WR who, when healthy, displays rare traits.  But the thing about Baalke being obsessed with guys who tear ACLs would have resurfaced.  The team who actually took Williams had the 2nd overall pick, and didn't take him until 122th overall.  Now I will temper my excitement for Austin until he starts proving it in minicamp/training camp/preseason.  But the bottom line is it was virtualy impossible to maximize value at WR in the first 3 rounds.

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In a League designed for offense and with a generational talent at QB...we took linebackers and cornerbacks.

We took players to try and slow them down.

Let me put it this way.  I don't see how anyone who watched our game against San Francisco last year could possibly object to going defense early.  Might you object to what defender we took #1 overall?  Sure.  But the fact there were offensive needs on the team does not negate the defensive needs also on the team.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

This was a good draft on paper overall. A good defense can add valuable time of possession or create turnovers for your offense. Between the additions they made and the investments they made in free agency I am not upset about how this draft unfolded.

There's a reason why a record number of WR's went early in this year's draft between the first two rounds and why a good number of players on offense that we all coveted ultimately ended up falling multiple rounds. It was not a good year on offense class wise.

I think the most overlooked and understated aspect of this off season though has been the fact that Pederson runs an RPO and Lawrence was comfortable and excelled within a RPO system at Clemson. He should be able to showcase his ability and his football IQ more this year. I also trust Pederson as a play caller a whole hell of a lot more than anybody this team has had over the past decade.

Baalke went with value early. I am not going to bash him for that. He signed Christian Kirk, Zay Jones, Evan Ingram & Brandon Scherff on offense this year and he already invested a pick/player via trade in Dan Arnold last year and an additional first round selection was made for Etienne. Arnold was actually making some decent progress despite being gained a month into the season. Walker Little was also a 2nd RD pick last year.

I think Fortner and Conner will add a lot of value to the team this year when it's all said and done. We needed a Center with Linder's retirement. We needed a power runner in the backfield and an insurance policy with Robinson and Etienne still on the mend and shaking the rust off. You got that with Conner. Hit the end zone a lot in spite of limited touches in his career.

Everyone wanted a WR. They got one for free essentially yesterday with Kevin Austin and there's still a chance to keep churning the UDFA market or even trade for or sign another veteran. What's funny to me is that, the guy that NEVER drafted a quality WR during his tenure in San Francisco, the guy that got made fun of on here because of his inability to find a quality receiver? Is now getting blasted for not drafting one. It's hilarious. He didn't reach. He didn't take anybody coming off an ACL this year.

He went out and got smart, fast & physical football players on defense that we desperately needed. Tough crowd on here.

As to your second paragraph, it goes back to what Pederson was saying before the draft...that the depth was not there at WR and interior OL.

As to the value of the picks vs the position, let's face it, we couldn't have gotten value at WR in the first round without trading up higher.  The Jaguars got no offers to trade back from #1 overall, so that wasn't an option.   Though some of us would not have minded taking Jameson Williams #1 overall, had Baalke done that or taken any other WR, he would have been savaged by critics.  Williams is the one WR who, when healthy, displays rare traits.  But the thing about Baalke being obsessed with guys who tear ACLs would have resurfaced.  The team who actually took Williams had the 2nd overall pick, and didn't take him until 122th overall.  Now I will temper my excitement for Austin until he starts proving it in minicamp/training camp/preseason.  But the bottom line is it was virtualy impossible to maximize value at WR in the first 3 rounds.

I don't think this team needed another WR. Pederson proved he can get it done with that position not being the focal point of his offense. There should be an expectation of a shared effort across the board. TE and RB position will be heavily involved this year in the passing game. The WR position will probably shine here and there due to match up advantages. It's a good thing IMHO. As it keeps your opponents guessing and on their toes.

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This was a good draft on paper overall. A good defense can add valuable time of possession or create turnovers for your offense. Between the additions they made and the investments they made in free agency I am not upset about how this draft unfolded.

There's a reason why a record number of WR's went early in this year's draft between the first two rounds and why a good number of players on offense that we all coveted ultimately ended up falling multiple rounds. It was not a good year on offense class wise.

I think the most overlooked and understated aspect of this off season though has been the fact that Pederson runs an RPO and Lawrence was comfortable and excelled within a RPO system at Clemson. He should be able to showcase his ability and his football IQ more this year. I also trust Pederson as a play caller a whole hell of a lot more than anybody this team has had over the past decade.

Baalke went with value early. I am not going to bash him for that. He signed Christian Kirk, Zay Jones, Evan Ingram & Brandon Scherff on offense this year and he already invested a pick/player via trade in Dan Arnold last year and an additional first round selection was made for Etienne. Arnold was actually making some decent progress despite being gained a month into the season. Walker Little was also a 2nd RD pick last year.

I think Fortner and Conner will add a lot of value to the team this year when it's all said and done. We needed a Center with Linder's retirement. We needed a power runner in the backfield and an insurance policy with Robinson and Etienne still on the mend and shaking the rust off. You got that with Conner. Hit the end zone a lot in spite of limited touches in his career.

Everyone wanted a WR. They got one for free essentially yesterday with Kevin Austin and there's still a chance to keep churning the UDFA market or even trade for or sign another veteran. What's funny to me is that, the guy that NEVER drafted a quality WR during his tenure in San Francisco, the guy that got made fun of on here because of his inability to find a quality receiver? Is now getting blasted for not drafting one. It's hilarious. He didn't reach. He didn't take anybody coming off an ACL this year.

He went out and got smart, fast & physical football players on defense that we desperately needed. Tough crowd on here.

As to your second paragraph, it goes back to what Pederson was saying before the draft...that the depth was not there at WR and interior OL.

As to the value of the picks vs the position, let's face it, we couldn't have gotten value at WR in the first round without trading up higher.  The Jaguars got no offers to trade back from #1 overall, so that wasn't an option.   Though some of us would not have minded taking Jameson Williams #1 overall, had Baalke done that or taken any other WR, he would have been savaged by critics.  Williams is the one WR who, when healthy, displays rare traits.  But the thing about Baalke being obsessed with guys who tear ACLs would have resurfaced.  The team who actually took Williams had the 2nd overall pick, and didn't take him until 122th overall.  Now I will temper my excitement for Austin until he starts proving it in minicamp/training camp/preseason.  But the bottom line is it was virtualy impossible to maximize value at WR in the first 3 rounds.

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We took players to try and slow them down.

Let me put it this way.  I don't see how anyone who watched our game against San Francisco last year could possibly object to going defense early.  Might you object to what defender we took #1 overall?  Sure.  But the fact there were offensive needs on the team does not negate the defensive needs also on the team.

Shoot. More than that. The defense was on skates against the Jets in week 16 of last year. Gave up damn near 300 yards on the ground. They let Atlanta hang around in a one possession game because they couldn't get off the field with Patterson running all over them. They need to thump the tinhorns twice this year for me personally. That season opener was embarrassing. That 2nd loss to them was even worse. They mentally stayed home in Jacksonville when they got demolished by New England as well.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Holding you accountable to the many pages of garbage we all endured from you while you casually attempt to act as if it never happened.

That's all. 

Carry on. 

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Here's something happy and positive for all the real fans out there:

https://twitter.com/osdnmedia/status/152...1PcdGnvgEg

That was nice to see.

It happens with every player drafted, but this was a late draftee, so I guess on some level it hit me differently.

Maybe it's just me.  But I loved it that he and his family were just chilling, have a cookout in the back yard.  I also heard a lot of "yes, sir".  A Southern boy raised right.  Living up here in Yankee land, it's nice to see a slice of home.

These late round diamonds in the rough are where the scouting department earn their money.  From the little I've been able to watch and read, Junior has a real shot to make the roster.  Cool to see.

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Fix the O-Line!

As to your second paragraph, it goes back to what Pederson was saying before the draft...that the depth was not there at WR and interior OL.

As to the value of the picks vs the position, let's face it, we couldn't have gotten value at WR in the first round without trading up higher.  The Jaguars got no offers to trade back from #1 overall, so that wasn't an option.   Though some of us would not have minded taking Jameson Williams #1 overall, had Baalke done that or taken any other WR, he would have been savaged by critics.  Williams is the one WR who, when healthy, displays rare traits.  But the thing about Baalke being obsessed with guys who tear ACLs would have resurfaced.  The team who actually took Williams had the 2nd overall pick, and didn't take him until 122th overall.  Now I will temper my excitement for Austin until he starts proving it in minicamp/training camp/preseason.  But the bottom line is it was virtualy impossible to maximize value at WR in the first 3 rounds.

I don't think this team needed another WR. Pederson proved he can get it done with that position not being the focal point of his offense. There should be an expectation of a shared effort across the board. TE and RB position will be heavily involved this year in the passing game. The WR position will probably shine here and there due to match up advantages. It's a good thing IMHO. As it keeps your opponents guessing and on their toes.

I'm not convinced the team did not need another WR.  The team finished with the lowest offensive output in team history.  An infusion of talent was of utmost importance.  Relying on a slot WR who hasn't had to be "the man" or operate without studs around him, relying on a former 2nd round bust doesn't necessarily inspire confidence, even considering Pederson's influence. Whatever strategic advantage Pederson's schemes may provide, it could be offset or mitigated by whatever personnel deficiencies we have.  We still don't have much to offer in the way of speed.  Without the fear of being burned deep, opposin defenses can adjust their coverages to minimize the impact of the TEs.

But there is something to be said for getting value in your picks.  The team needed more offense, but under the circumstances, it wasn't practical to do so early.

Under the circumstances, the Jaguars would either have to reach for an offensive player at 27 (Watson/McBride) or take the higher rated LB.

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Worst to 1st.  Curse Reversed!

With the additions of Oluokun, Fatukasi, Walker, Lloyd, and Muma, we made a major investment this offseason in something we have been sorely lacking in recent seasons, and that is, toughness.  Sure, there are no exciting playmakers in that list, but we are now a much more hard-nosed football team than we were last year.  Five new big investments in our front seven will keep us in a lot more games and take a lot of pressure off the offense.

Mike Caldwell has to be one of the happiest guys on the planet right now.

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I don't think this team needed another WR. Pederson proved he can get it done with that position not being the focal point of his offense. There should be an expectation of a shared effort across the board. TE and RB position will be heavily involved this year in the passing game. The WR position will probably shine here and there due to match up advantages. It's a good thing IMHO. As it keeps your opponents guessing and on their toes.

I'm not convinced the team did not need another WR.  The team finished with the lowest offensive output in team history.  An infusion of talent was of utmost importance.  Relying on a slot WR who hasn't had to be "the man" or operate without studs around him, relying on a former 2nd round bust doesn't necessarily inspire confidence, even considering Pederson's influence. Whatever strategic advantage Pederson's schemes may provide, it could be offset or mitigated by whatever personnel deficiencies we have.  We still don't have much to offer in the way of speed.  Without the fear of being burned deep, opposin defenses can adjust their coverages to minimize the impact of the TEs.

But there is something to be said for getting value in your picks.  The team needed more offense, but under the circumstances, it wasn't practical to do so early.

Under the circumstances, the Jaguars would either have to reach for an offensive player at 27 (Watson/McBride) or take the higher rated LB.

All I know is. They'll be better than 3 - 14 this year. It's Pederson and Lawrence's job to figure this all out on offense when the going gets tough. If the TE's become minimized? It's Kirk, Jones, Agnew or the running back's groups job to get it moving offensively. 

I don't know. Maybe I am just being overly confident for the first time in a long time. I just have faith in Pederson and Lawrence working together. It just seems like it's going to work this time. September can't get here fast enough I guess.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Whatever dude, Walker was not the best player at his position, let alone in the draft.

You won't really know that for a year or two.

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I'm condescending. That means I talk down to you. 
Check out the Jag's Forum Alternative: Duval Football Fans.

It's factual that no matter how good our team does in some eyes, they've committed fraud in other's eyes. This was a Damn Good draft in My Eyes.

Time Will Tell.

NH3...

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"AZANE"

In a League designed for offense and with a generational talent at QB...we took linebackers and cornerbacks.

Kirk, Jones and Engram were signed before that.

That's supposed to be encouragement?

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I'm not convinced the team did not need another WR.  The team finished with the lowest offensive output in team history.  An infusion of talent was of utmost importance.  Relying on a slot WR who hasn't had to be "the man" or operate without studs around him, relying on a former 2nd round bust doesn't necessarily inspire confidence, even considering Pederson's influence. Whatever strategic advantage Pederson's schemes may provide, it could be offset or mitigated by whatever personnel deficiencies we have.  We still don't have much to offer in the way of speed.  Without the fear of being burned deep, opposin defenses can adjust their coverages to minimize the impact of the TEs.

But there is something to be said for getting value in your picks.  The team needed more offense, but under the circumstances, it wasn't practical to do so early.

Under the circumstances, the Jaguars would either have to reach for an offensive player at 27 (Watson/McBride) or take the higher rated LB.

All I know is. They'll be better than 3 - 14 this year. It's Pederson and Lawrence's job to figure this all out on offense when the going gets tough. If the TE's become minimized? It's Kirk, Jones, Agnew or the running back's groups job to get it moving offensively. 

I don't know. Maybe I am just being overly confident for the first time in a long time. I just have faith in Pederson and Lawrence working together. It just seems like it's going to work this time. September can't get here fast enough I guess.

My faith is in Pederson, he's the right guy for this work. I just hope we didn't waste a second year of TLaw's discount contract by focusing on the wrong thing.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Kirk, Jones and Engram were signed before that.

That's supposed to be encouragement?

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All I know is. They'll be better than 3 - 14 this year. It's Pederson and Lawrence's job to figure this all out on offense when the going gets tough. If the TE's become minimized? It's Kirk, Jones, Agnew or the running back's groups job to get it moving offensively. 

I don't know. Maybe I am just being overly confident for the first time in a long time. I just have faith in Pederson and Lawrence working together. It just seems like it's going to work this time. September can't get here fast enough I guess.

My faith is in Pederson, he's the right guy for this work. I just hope we didn't waste a second year of TLaw's discount contract by focusing on the wrong thing.

Stout defense goes a long way with rookie QB deals. Worked for Seattle, worked for Pittsburgh. There's more than one way to skin a cat. Last year was an obvious disaster because the wrong man was hired for the job. I know it's a stretch. 

But... how funny would it be if this team ends up flipping 3 - 14 into 13 - 4 this year and we're this years Bengals? Anything can happen.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Whatever dude, Walker was not the best player at his position, let alone in the draft.

I wonder how many Texans fans said that about Mack/Donald as they took the consensus #1 in Clowney in 2014.

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That's supposed to be encouragement?

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My faith is in Pederson, he's the right guy for this work. I just hope we didn't waste a second year of TLaw's discount contract by focusing on the wrong thing.

Stout defense goes a long way with rookie QB deals. Worked for Seattle, worked for Pittsburgh. There's more than one way to skin a cat. Last year was an obvious disaster because the wrong man was hired for the job. I know it's a stretch. 

But... how funny would it be if this team ends up flipping 3 - 14 into 13 - 4 this year and we're this years Bengals? Anything can happen.

To this I Concur and...

Time Will Tell.

NH3...

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"AZANE"

Whatever dude, Walker was not the best player at his position, let alone in the draft.

You won't really know that for a year or two.

Why do so many find this impossible to understand? 

Trevor has been frequently referred to as a "generational" talent and we all hope it's true, but at this point it's far from proven.  Why is a guy who hasn't even seen the practice field yet any different?

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When you get into the endzone, act like you've been there before.

That's supposed to be encouragement?

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My faith is in Pederson, he's the right guy for this work. I just hope we didn't waste a second year of TLaw's discount contract by focusing on the wrong thing.

Stout defense goes a long way with rookie QB deals. Worked for Seattle, worked for Pittsburgh. There's more than one way to skin a cat. Last year was an obvious disaster because the wrong man was hired for the job. I know it's a stretch. 

But... how funny would it be if this team ends up flipping 3 - 14 into 13 - 4 this year and we're this years Bengals? Anything can happen.

I would lose my mind hahaha

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I love this draft. We are seeing this regime do something that has never been done here in J ville. Take the BAP regardless of what instead of drafting inferior players at positions of perceived need. We need to give Trevor Weapons we did you might not like what was given but there is a reason most of you armchair GM's are out here with the rest of us and not getting paid by an NFL Team. Let's say that this is the first real homerun draft and offseason. Most that are complaining wont even man up and say they were wrong. I been wrong so many times being a fan, but that's my job to be a FAN. So if your not happy walk all the way to the tippy top of the Modis annnnnnnndddddddd Leap.LOL

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This

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One thing about Walker that made me feel a bit better is that he only lined up as pass rusher about 53% of his snaps from what I read. Therefore, his sack number is a bit lower by default compared to a guy like Hutchinson who is predominantly lining up to rush the passer. It seemed like he was getting good QB pressure late in the season when things were really on the line for the national championship, which is encouraging, given the talent level that was occurring against.

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