Did I call you Obama or Biden? I simply said that a good portion of transgender individuals will want to transition back. Then, if they were on puberty blockers until 18, they will have a high voice and small hands when they want to become a man again. It's just your logic, but used a few years later. You use bad logic. That's my point.

Yeah, the logic looks bad when you don't understand the premises.
A 12 year old has penis, high voice, small hands.
Insecure about gender, goes on puberty blockers.
Becomes an 18 year old with penis, high voice, small hands, and short for its age.
Decides it's ready to be a man. It is now a he again.
He discontinues puberty blockers.
Puberty begins.
Two or three years later, he has a penis, deep voice, large hands, and normal height.

You are on the verge of being a lost cause, man. I started to respond to this multiple times, and I just can't justify the energy. If you can't honestly see all the potential problems and pitfalls that are going to occur from this line of reasoning, I don't know what to say. The simple answer is that these people need help and time to help them become comfortable in their own skin.

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There are pitfalls with any line of reasoning.
There is no perfect way to parent or to live life in general.
The politics forum is for discussing what government should do. There is no good reason for the government to prevent a kid from taking puberty blockers with his or her parents' consent.
That may not be what you would ha e done as a kid, or what you would do as a parent, but how is it an issue where you should use government to enforce your particular point of view. We are talking about less than 1 in 100 kids. And they have a high rate of suicide.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

There are pitfalls with any line of reasoning.
There is no perfect way to parent or to live life in general. 
The politics forum is for discussing what government should do.  There is no good reason for the government to prevent a kid from taking puberty blockers with his or her parents' consent.
That may not be what you would ha e done as a kid, or what you would do as a parent, but how is it an issue where you should use government to enforce your particular point of view.  We are talking about less than 1 in 100 kids. And they have a high rate of suicide.

Government exists to prevent child abuse. But then I'm trying get reason from a person who thinks a human with a penis is an "it" until puberty, so I'm sure that point is just as lost.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

There are pitfalls with any line of reasoning.
There is no perfect way to parent or to live life in general. 
The politics forum is for discussing what government should do.  There is no good reason for the government to prevent a kid from taking puberty blockers with his or her parents' consent.
That may not be what you would ha e done as a kid, or what you would do as a parent, but how is it an issue where you should use government to enforce your particular point of view.  We are talking about less than 1 in 100 kids. And they have a high rate of suicide.

You know what? You're right. Let's discuss ideas. I think to solve deaths from car accidents, all cars should be made of pillows and be limited to 4 mph. To keep people from being violent, we should cut their hands of when they are born, and once we know that they won't be violent, we can give them prosthetic hands. I sure am glad we're using this forum to discuss solutions to complicated problems. I really feel like we're getting somewhere. I wonder what other problems we can solve if we just jump to absurdity.

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Dem witness tells House committee men can get pregnant, have abortions | Fox News

A Democrat witness testifying before the House Judiciary Committee on abortion rights Thursday declared that men can get pregnant and have abortions.

Aimee Arrambide, the executive director of the abortion rights nonprofit Avow Texas, was asked by Rep. Dan Bishop, R-N.C., to define what "a woman is," to which she responded, "I believe that everyone can identify for themselves."



"Do you believe that men can become pregnant and have abortions?" Bishop asked.

"Yes," Arrambide replied...



"Dr. Robinson, I noticed in your written testimony you said that you use she/her pronouns. You’re a medical doctor – what is a woman?" Bishop asked Robinson, an OBGYN and board member with Physicians for Reproductive Health.

"I think it's important that we educate people like you about why we're doing the things that we do," Robinson responded. "And so the reason that I use she and her pronouns is because I understand that there are people who become pregnant that may not identify that way. And I think it is discriminatory to speak to people or to call them in such a way as they desire not to be called."...

https://twitter.com/JudiciaryGOP/status/...-abortions

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I would vote that we abort wokeism, but it's already born and growing. Of course, we could adopt Dem policy and kill it at any time.

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

There are pitfalls with any line of reasoning.
There is no perfect way to parent or to live life in general. 
The politics forum is for discussing what government should do.  There is no good reason for the government to prevent a kid from taking puberty blockers with his or her parents' consent.
That may not be what you would ha e done as a kid, or what you would do as a parent, but how is it an issue where you should use government to enforce your particular point of view.  We are talking about less than 1 in 100 kids. And they have a high rate of suicide.

Government exists to prevent child abuse. But then I'm trying get reason from a person who thinks a human with a penis is an "it" until puberty, so I'm sure that point is just as lost.

That's not what I said.  I'm certainly not going to call such a person "she "

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Government exists to prevent child abuse. But then I'm trying get reason from a person who thinks a human with a penis is an "it" until puberty, so I'm sure that point is just as lost.

That's not what I said.  I'm certainly not going to call such a person "she "

The [BLEEP] you didn't. Don't play stupid with me.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

That's not what I said.  I'm certainly not going to call such a person "she "

The [BLEEP] you didn't. Don't play stupid with me.

Pretend I said "he" the whole story.  The story still makes my point.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

The [BLEEP] you didn't. Don't play stupid with me.

Pretend I said "he" the whole story.  The story still makes my point.

No, it doesnt. Male is male, there's no decision. Your story is make believe of a fractured mind.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Pretend I said "he" the whole story.  The story still makes my point.

No, it doesnt. Male is male, there's no decision. Your story is make believe of a fractured mind.

And what if a child begins showing signs of puberty at age 4?

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

No, it doesnt. Male is male, there's no decision. Your story is make believe of a fractured mind.

And what if a child begins showing signs of puberty at age 4?

Does a boy think he's a girl?

Quit trying to obfuscate with your bull [BLEEP]. We know you're full of it. Boys are boys until they're men. Girls are girls until they are women. In both cases the biology is supreme while the perception of gender in just perception The attempt to cloud the basic facts, as you are doing, is nothing but an attempt to destroy reality in favor of some nonsense that leads to Marxist take over of our way of life. Just shut up with your bull [BLEEP], it's not funny or factual, it's just mental illness. Go see a shrink already and get the help and medical attention you clearly need.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

And what if a child begins showing signs of puberty at age 4?

Does a boy think he's a girl?

Quit trying to obfuscate with your bull [BLEEP]. We know you're full of it. Boys are boys until they're men. Girls are girls until they are women. In both cases the biology is supreme while the perception of gender in just perception The attempt to cloud the basic facts, as you are doing, is nothing but an attempt to destroy reality in favor of some nonsense that leads to Marxist take over of our way of life. Just shut up with your bull [BLEEP], it's not funny or factual, it's just mental illness. Go see a shrink already and get the help and medical attention you clearly need.

Ah yes that noted gender theorist and biologist Karl Marx, we are all grateful that you are able to sniff out his schemes. Only a mentally ill person such as myself would fail to see this obvious connection between that evil nineteenth century economist and twenty first century medical science that you so clearly lay out for us.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Does a boy think he's a girl?

Quit trying to obfuscate with your bull [BLEEP]. We know you're full of it. Boys are boys until they're men. Girls are girls until they are women. In both cases the biology is supreme while the perception of gender in just perception The attempt to cloud the basic facts, as you are doing, is nothing but an attempt to destroy reality in favor of some nonsense that leads to Marxist take over of our way of life. Just shut up with your bull [BLEEP], it's not funny or factual, it's just mental illness. Go see a shrink already and get the help and medical attention you clearly need.

Ah yes that noted gender theorist and biologist Karl Marx, we are all grateful that you are able to sniff out his schemes. Only a mentally ill person such as myself would fail to see this obvious connection between that evil nineteenth century economist and twenty first century medical science that you so clearly lay out for us.

Yes, you're a fool who doesn't see the connection between advocating mental illness as normal and the intentional destruction of capitalist Western Civilization. But you do you, you useful idiot of a jack wagon. I'm not abiding your horse [BLEEP] takes anymore. You want to advocate positions that injure our children? Fine, I'll call you scum for doing it. Wear it with pride [BLEEP] hole.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Ah yes that noted gender theorist and biologist Karl Marx, we are all grateful that you are able to sniff out his schemes. Only a mentally ill person such as myself would fail to see this obvious connection between that evil nineteenth century economist and twenty first century medical science that you so clearly lay out for us.

Yes, you're a fool who doesn't see the connection between advocating mental illness as normal and the intentional destruction of capitalist Western Civilization. But you do you, you useful idiot of a jack wagon. I'm not abiding your horse [BLEEP] takes anymore. You want to advocate positions that injure our children? Fine, I'll call you scum for doing it. Wear it with pride [BLEEP] hole.

As a mod, you're supposed to abide these kinds of things.
I can take over for you if you're sick of the job. I don't mind.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

Mikey, you have to stop drinking the kool-aid at some point, man. The goal is to overthrow the western capitalist system and the means is destruction of the culture that supports it. Your going to have to start understanding the cause and effect relationship at some point or your going to keep falling for this nonsense.

If more people understood how the Overton window worked, we might be able to save political discourse in this country.

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Mikey, you have to stop drinking the kool-aid at some point, man. The goal is to overthrow the western capitalist system and the means is destruction of the culture that supports it. Your going to have to start understanding the cause and effect relationship at some point or your going to keep falling for this nonsense.

If more people understood how the Overton window worked, we might be able to save political discourse in this country.

That's not Biden's goal.
That's not Manchin's goal.
That's not Schumer's goal.
That's not Pelosi's goal.
Forgive me for actually paying attention to the words and actions of the people who actually have power, instead of Some Dude's Podcast ™.

And I know how the Overton Window works.  Both sides push it their direction.

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My fellow southpaw Mark Brunell will probably always be my favorite Jaguar.

You clearly don't understand the Overton window. If you did, you wouldn't say both sides do it, because that's nearly impossible to do when your goal is preservation. You can't use the status quo as one side of the Overton window. The right would have to be pushing for something outside the realm of the norm. For example, if the right were to use the Overton window, when the left says, ban on guns, the right would say, lets mandate gun ownership. That's how that would work. The closest thing I can think of in that regard is Trump's wall. It took a democrat to bring the Overton window to the right.

Now that we've established that you don't know what you're talking about, do you really believe those politicians are setting the priorities based on their own ideals or the ideals of their financial backers? I'll give you a hint: It's the latter. Outside of Manchin, give me one person who isn't walking in lockstep with the democratic party. How is that even possible? It's because their base, who are a bunch of non-thinking ideologues (hey there), wants to feel like they are making a positive change, and their financial backers have a superman complex and believe they can save the world (while making themselves rich).

I will make a concession that I don't really think we are fighting Marxism, and those that advocate it are a bit misinformed. But you, sir, are not doing yourself any favors by listening to the words coming out of their mouths and treating it like facts. They are a bunch of liars who make policy to benefit themselves, and you're a sucker for giving them an inch of credibility. Also, I find it telling who you chose as the truth tellers. Lol.

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Yes, you're a fool who doesn't see the connection between advocating mental illness as normal and the intentional destruction of capitalist Western Civilization. But you do you, you useful idiot of a jack wagon. I'm not abiding your horse [BLEEP] takes anymore. You want to advocate positions that injure our children? Fine, I'll call you scum for doing it. Wear it with pride [BLEEP] hole.

As a mod, you're supposed to abide these kinds of things.
I can take over for you if you're sick of the job. I don't mind.

This is hard for you I know.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Y'all wild for still engaging.

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