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Have we been too harsh on Baalke?
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Attempt at a chronological overview of Baalke through the lens of a semi-reasonable Jaguars fan:
Synopsis: Since arriving in Jax - He's done some bad things, he's done some good things. As tough as it is to wait it out, 2023 is probably when we will have a good grasp on which outweighs the other. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (05-29-2022, 11:41 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: Attempt at a chronological overview of Baalke through the lens of a semi-reasonable Jaguars fan:
A new broom always sweeps clean.
(05-29-2022, 11:41 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: Synopsis: Since arriving in Jax - He's done some bad things, he's done some good things. As tough as it is to wait it out, 2023 is probably when we will have a good grasp on which outweighs the other. He was also 2nd in command for the disastrous 2020 Schobert FA period and Henderson/Chaisson drafts. Caldwell obviously gets the final blame for 2020, but I am sure Baalke had plenty of say too. (05-29-2022, 11:41 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: Attempt at a chronological overview of Baalke through the lens of a semi-reasonable Jaguars fan: 10/10 Mate fantastic review
The dude reminds me of Super Dave Osborn. If he fails, we could make some funny memes.
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(05-29-2022, 03:24 PM)Upper Wrote:(05-29-2022, 11:41 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: Synopsis: Since arriving in Jax - He's done some bad things, he's done some good things. As tough as it is to wait it out, 2023 is probably when we will have a good grasp on which outweighs the other. You would blame Baalke for the price of gas if you could. For some reason you have this unreasonable hate for a person you don't even know. So now he takes blame because he was standing next to the guy who made the decisions? The fact of the matter is we do not know the dynamics of the people in the front office or the weight of their opinions within the chain of command. For all we know Khan is dismissive of any opinion which conflicts with his own. Given the length of the Gus Bradley tenure and the fact Urban Meyer was hired says he most likely is. The same applies to Caldwell. We are not privy to the conversations and what was considered. This will be the year in order to form a definitive opinion of just how well Baalke is doing as GM. (05-30-2022, 06:53 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: The dude reminds me of Super Dave Osborn. If he fails, we could make some funny memes. Lol. Now that I think about it, he sounds just like him. (05-30-2022, 11:24 AM)homebiscuit Wrote:(05-29-2022, 03:24 PM)Upper Wrote: He was also 2nd in command for the disastrous 2020 Schobert FA period and Henderson/Chaisson drafts. Caldwell obviously gets the final blame for 2020, but I am sure Baalke had plenty of say too. For the Utes that don't know who we're talking about: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7Qh3jaJp7Y
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(05-29-2022, 11:41 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: Attempt at a chronological overview of Baalke through the lens of a semi-reasonable Jaguars fan: That's a good attempt at being fair. The one thing that you don't specifically mention that I consider highly relevant is the fact that his promotion came after one year with the team and that team went from 6-10 in the prior season to 1-15 under Baalke. In his one year as Director of Player Personnel, the Jaguars drafted C.J. Henderson and Chaisson in the first round. In what sane universe does this earn him a promotion? I will say that I am one that believes people sometimes learn from their mistakes and can get better at their jobs. Hopefully, Baalke is one of those people. However, it didn't make a lot of sense to give Baalke that opportunity when so many much more deserving and better qualified people were available. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today!
Via the decisions that he controls, Baalke has started out on the right (correct) foot. Up until this 2022 FA and draft he truly had no control w/respect to personnel decisions. I personally could tell that he has control now albeit he selected alot per Pederson's wish list. Especially within the first four picks. Baalke and his new assistant evaluator will be good for our team.
Time Will Tell. NH3...
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(05-30-2022, 01:56 PM)NH3 Wrote: Via the decisions that he controls, Baalke has started out on the right (correct) foot. Up until this 2022 FA and draft he truly had no control w/respect to personnel decisions. I personally could tell that he has control now albeit he selected alot per Pederson's wish list. Especially within the first four picks. Baalke and his new assistant evaluator will be good for our team. Total BS. Last year was all him, or mostly him since Meyer was clueless about the NFL. Last years FA was garbage when we had the money to get good FAs like Trent Williams, Hendrickson etc.
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(05-30-2022, 12:53 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote:(05-29-2022, 11:41 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: Attempt at a chronological overview of Baalke through the lens of a semi-reasonable Jaguars fan: Director of Player Personnel doesn't deal with drafting players. He is over NFL scouting and negotiates the contracts for the GM. He may have some say in free agency, but the final decisions are made by the GM and then it's his job to ink the deal.
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(05-29-2022, 03:24 PM)Upper Wrote:(05-29-2022, 11:41 AM)NYC4jags Wrote: Synopsis: Since arriving in Jax - He's done some bad things, he's done some good things. As tough as it is to wait it out, 2023 is probably when we will have a good grasp on which outweighs the other. Those picks reek of the need style drafting we know Caldwell for. He wasn’t the worst gm we’ve had(hard to beat Gene Smith), but his need picks he made were pretty annoying throughout his tenure, especially since he gutted the roster in 2012 and refused to go BAP. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (05-30-2022, 11:24 AM)homebiscuit Wrote:(05-29-2022, 03:24 PM)Upper Wrote: He was also 2nd in command for the disastrous 2020 Schobert FA period and Henderson/Chaisson drafts. Caldwell obviously gets the final blame for 2020, but I am sure Baalke had plenty of say too. I am simply not someone who is willing to twist myself into a pretzel to try to massage my biases, as you clearly are. You laid yourself bare defending Urban Meyer right until the end even after a mountain of evidence that he was an unmitigated disaster, hence the homerbiscuit moniker. I just can't do that (although to be honest I am sometimes jealous of people who are able to). Baalke has a long track record that is damn near as bad as it gets from multiple angles. Until he proves otherwise that is what Baalke is, he is not to be given the benefit of the doubt until he earns it. And trust me, I hope he earns it.
(05-30-2022, 10:51 PM)Upper Wrote:(05-30-2022, 11:24 AM)homebiscuit Wrote: You would blame Baalke for the price of gas if you could. For some reason you have this unreasonable hate for a person you don't even know. So now he takes blame because he was standing next to the guy who made the decisions? But I had no biases. I will take the same wait and see stance as I did with Meyer, what you call homer defense. All I said was give the guy a chance. In the end I admitted I was wrong. You make these incredible reaches with Baalke to try and justify your unreasonable hate for the guy, but at least I’m glad you at least are willing to wait and see. (05-28-2022, 12:09 PM)TheDuke007 Wrote:(05-28-2022, 12:51 AM)NH3 Wrote: I've been on board Day One w/respect to Baalke. View my past opinions of his decision makings. In 2021 he made personnel decisions that represented Meyer's philosophy. TL16 and ETN was a shoe-in I might add. In 2022 he made personnel decisions that represented Peterson's philosophy, Thank the Lord above. ...if you do some reading up on Jed York, you'll find that the finger starts to point in several directions. He was just as public in his criticism of Harbs, compared replacing him with Jim Tomsula as equivalent to the Warriors' hire of Steve Kerr, and has proven impatient and meddlesome since. Maybe Baalke just knows to play to his audience? In which direction would you say the team's arrow points, presently?
It is the owner. Patient to a fault. Believes thought leaders can change the direction of your woes. Sets up targets around him to take the fall.
He got played by 2017 and has yet to act like an owner when it comes to the product on the field. The stadium work and other projects are fantastic all things considered but the football operations are his fault. We will see what happens next.
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Patience, Persistence, and Piss Poor General Managers. We show less advertisements to registered users. Accounts are free; join today! (05-31-2022, 09:30 AM)MoJagFan Wrote: It is the owner. Patient to a fault. Believes thought leaders can change the direction of your woes. Sets up targets around him to take the fall. Reports are that Khan was all in on Meyer. We don't know what degree Baalke was complicit. He may have tried to talk Khan out of the hire and that's why he's trusted now. Khan did at least "act like an owner" by firing Meyer (with cause) in season and now refusing to pay him any additional funds.
(05-31-2022, 09:50 AM)NYC4jags Wrote:(05-31-2022, 09:30 AM)MoJagFan Wrote: It is the owner. Patient to a fault. Believes thought leaders can change the direction of your woes. Sets up targets around him to take the fall. This is what gave me hope that maybe the light is coming on for Khan. It’s not easy for a successful man to so publicly admit he was wrong. I also wonder how much input he was getting from his son. I would be shocked if Tony didn’t tell him that Meyer is a disaster and should be ditched. Methinks Shad has gained some respect for Tony’s opinions given the meteoritic popularity of AEW.
Love how our GMs never choose our HCs, don't make the draft picks, don't make the FA signings etc, it is always someone else's fault
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