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Minneapolis teachers union contract calls for layoffs of white teachers first

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(08-17-2022, 11:49 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote:
(08-17-2022, 11:29 AM)Ronster Wrote: Doh, it is Shaun King...Had me going..

I dunno...he looked pretty black during all those Bucs games in the early 2000's. Still does.

some dudes look like chicks, still don't make it so.
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(08-17-2022, 11:54 AM)Ronster Wrote:
(08-17-2022, 11:49 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote: I dunno...he looked pretty black quarterbacking all those Bucs games in the early 2000's. Still does.

some dudes look like chicks, still don't make it so.

I was too obscure with the joke. Fixed it
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#63

(08-17-2022, 12:02 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote:
(08-17-2022, 11:54 AM)Ronster Wrote: some dudes look like chicks, still don't make it so.

I was too obscure with the joke.  Fixed it

Schooled 'em.

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(This post was last modified: 08-17-2022, 01:28 PM by Caldrac. Edited 5 times in total.)

(08-17-2022, 08:50 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: That dude ain't black, lol. He's a self-aggrandizing liar. Dolozal 2.0. So funny. The only cred he has is with white liberals.

Agreed. He cherry picks a lot of scenarios to cry wolf about while ignoring other aspects to the other side of the coin and narrative. He posted something recently about this 18 year old kid that got injured by a police officer in Louisiana. He was out speeding/joy riding, didn't listen to the cops and one of the cops ends up using his leg (think the cop lost his leg) while flipping his motorbike over. The kid ended up getting brain damage.

So, he's calling for that cop to be held responsible for his actions, blah, blah, blah. Meanwhile, you just had that lady in California I think come barreling down a high traffic roadway in the middle of daylight where she torpedoed multiple vehicles and killed five or more people. Including an infant. The impact was so severe I believe a child and car seat were completely ejected. 

Crickets on that though with his "content". My point was that, sure, was the officer's method questionable? Yeah. It cost him his leg and it damaged the 18 year old's brain, which could have been avoided had he just yielded and pulled over like he was supposed to do that night. However, if the cop didn't intervene that night? What's to say he doesn't end up killing multiple people just like that lady did a few weeks ago in California?

That's the point of having law and order, speed limits, etc. It's common sense. Just bothers me that people try to make it clearly black and white. It was just like that other video I pointed out to him. A black police officer walks in right on que when a pair of armed robbers are trying to hold up a convenient store. That cop pops both of them with his gun in parts where they were subdued instead of going for the kill shot. 

Or what about that guy that was begged and pleaded with by the cops to stand down that came out of the Dollar General back in May and the bodycam footage shows how shook the cops were after shooting him out and killing him. Also black police officers involved. Just so, so tired of the cherry picking and the sensationalism.
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(This post was last modified: 08-18-2022, 05:46 AM by Ronster. Edited 1 time in total.)

Minneapolis school district DEFENDS plan to fire white teachers first…



“After backlash against the racist termination practice, which is in clear violation of the Civil Rights Act of 1964 which bars discrimination in employment on the basis of race, the school district has defended the new plans.



"To remedy the continuing effects of past discrimination," the district said in a statement on Tuesday,

This effectively means a white teacher who has been around longer could be fired ahead of a newly hired teacher of color purely due to their race.”


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(This post was last modified: 08-18-2022, 06:17 AM by The Real Marty. Edited 6 times in total.)

(08-16-2022, 03:07 PM)Ronster Wrote:
(08-16-2022, 02:38 PM)Lucky2Last Wrote: It's not racism for you to gravitate towards someone who looks like you. When you see a person who may be like you succeeding and caring, it can be reassuring and affirming. That said, people need to start making themselves aware of the reality that the raising people UP to a standard is progressive and dropping people below a standard is regressive. If the group isn't being made better by these types of changes, those changes need to go. And, despite what Mikey says, putting color restrictions on teachers has not elevated the students in minority communities.

Unless of course they are white children, then they better adapt or they are racist. Got it...

I have to agree with you on that one.  If one says black students do better with black teachers, then why not say white students do better with white teachers, boy students do better with male teachers, Asian students do better with Asian teachers, etc etc etc.  It never ends.

And when one says "It's not racism for you to gravitate towards someone who looks like you," I disagree.  If you have a positive bias towards someone who "looks like you," then you have a less positive bias towards someone who doesn't look like you.  If I'm white, and therefore I like white teachers more than black teachers, if that's not racism, what is it?

I think we need to give up on these efforts to "remedy the effects of past discrimination."  Because the only way to do that is with more discrimination.  And that leads to all sorts of unintended consequences and justified grievances.  And it will never end.
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#67

Bias and racism are different things, and people need to stop using them interchangeably. I am hearing what you say about race, and I agree (for the most part). However, I think you're wrong about the lack of role models. It's the same reason why women want to see other women in male-dominated fields and positions (granted, I think there is actually a difference between men and women, whereas racial differences are primarily cultural). Do you not think that women need to see female leaders? Models are important. That said, progressives also tend to forget that blacks make up 12% of the population, which means 50/50 representation is not possible.
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(08-18-2022, 08:02 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Bias and racism are different things, and people need to stop using them interchangeably. I am hearing what you say about race, and I agree (for the most part). However, I think you're wrong about the lack of role models. It's the same reason why women want to see other women in male-dominated fields and positions (granted, I think there is actually a difference between men and women, whereas racial differences are primarily cultural). Do you not think that women need to see female leaders? Models are important. That said, progressives also tend to forget that blacks make up 12% of the population, which means 50/50 representation is not possible.
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(08-18-2022, 09:14 AM)NewJagsCity Wrote:
(08-18-2022, 08:02 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Bias and racism are different things, and people need to stop using them interchangeably. I am hearing what you say about race, and I agree (for the most part). However, I think you're wrong about the lack of role models. It's the same reason why women want to see other women in male-dominated fields and positions (granted, I think there is actually a difference between men and women, whereas racial differences are primarily cultural). Do you not think that women need to see female leaders? Models are important. That said, progressives also tend to forget that blacks make up 12% of the population, which means 50/50 representation is not possible.
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(08-18-2022, 08:02 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Bias and racism are different things, and people need to stop using them interchangeably. I am hearing what you say about race, and I agree (for the most part). However, I think you're wrong about the lack of role models. It's the same reason why women want to see other women in male-dominated fields and positions (granted, I think there is actually a difference between men and women, whereas racial differences are primarily cultural). Do you not think that women need to see female leaders? Models are important. That said, progressives also tend to forget that blacks make up 12% of the population, which means 50/50 representation is not possible.

Agreed.
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(08-18-2022, 11:31 AM)mikesez Wrote:
(08-18-2022, 08:02 AM)Lucky2Last Wrote: Bias and racism are different things, and people need to stop using them interchangeably. I am hearing what you say about race, and I agree (for the most part). However, I think you're wrong about the lack of role models. It's the same reason why women want to see other women in male-dominated fields and positions (granted, I think there is actually a difference between men and women, whereas racial differences are primarily cultural). Do you not think that women need to see female leaders? Models are important. That said, progressives also tend to forget that blacks make up 12% of the population, which means 50/50 representation is not possible.

Agreed.

Nor should it be. The most qualified should be retained. And i don't mean 'qualified according to race'. If that's 80% black, then so be it. If that's 80% white, then so be that. Otherwise, you're just offering the students a potentially inferior product and harming thier chances of maximizing thier academic potential. Minneapolis, isn't this all about the kids?
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I think we have to remember that MN schools were never segregated. And black people came to MN with low educational attainment, looking for factory jobs. Not that segregation was good, but because of segregation, FL always had a lot of black teachers. One of the few decent jobs black people could aspire to in FL at that time. We don't have this problem. We haven't experienced this problem.
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(08-18-2022, 03:43 PM)mikesez Wrote: I think we have to remember that MN schools were never segregated. And black people came to MN with low educational attainment, looking for factory jobs. Not that segregation was good, but because of segregation, FL always had a lot of black teachers. One of the few decent jobs black people could aspire to in FL at that time. We don't have this problem. We haven't experienced this problem.

Not following what this has to do with choosing the best teacher candidates. And why is choosing the best regardless of skin color a 'problem'?

Maybe all the tap dancing should stop and let's just call these what they are: quotas.
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(08-18-2022, 08:08 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote:
(08-18-2022, 03:43 PM)mikesez Wrote: I think we have to remember that MN schools were never segregated.  And black people came to MN with low educational attainment, looking for factory jobs.  Not that segregation was good, but because of segregation, FL always had a lot of black teachers.  One of the few decent jobs black people could aspire to in FL at that time.  We don't have this problem.  We haven't experienced this problem.

Not following what this has to do with choosing the best teacher candidates.  And why is choosing the best regardless of skin color a 'problem'?

Maybe all the tap dancing should stop and let's just call these what they are: quotas.

Quotas are never useful.
Quotas are like five year plan kind of stuff.  Like when a refinery is demanded to produce a certain amount of kerosene and managers will be imprisoned or shot if they dont.  Guess what, the barrels got filled.  And the substance was similar to kerosene.  But not quite.  This is literally why Russia's moon rocket failed.  Fuel impurities.  
A liquid is either kerosene or not, or if there are impurities,  those impurities can be quantified and one product might be more pure than another.
Teachers aren't commodities like this.  When someone says "the White teacher was better" or "the Black teacher was better" that might be more subjective than not.
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(08-18-2022, 08:26 PM)mikesez Wrote:
(08-18-2022, 08:08 PM)NewJagsCity Wrote: Not following what this has to do with choosing the best teacher candidates.  And why is choosing the best regardless of skin color a 'problem'?

Maybe all the tap dancing should stop and let's just call these what they are: quotas.

Quotas are never useful.
Quotas are like five year plan kind of stuff.  Like when a refinery is demanded to produce a certain amount of kerosene and managers will be imprisoned or shot if they dont.  Guess what, the barrels got filled.  And the substance was similar to kerosene.  But not quite.  This is literally why Russia's moon rocket failed.  Fuel impurities.  
A liquid is either kerosene or not, or if there are impurities,  those impurities can be quantified and one product might be more pure than another.
Teachers aren't commodities like this.  When someone says "the White teacher was better" or "the Black teacher was better" that might be more subjective than not.
I agree that it's difficult to quantify the 'best'.  Metrics in the educational system are dubious at best.  I watched my daughter slog thru the system for 3 years teaching at a public STEM school in St Johns county, until she could take it no more.  She was rated based on the success of her students.  Now, anyone can see that that is a flawed system.  Administrators are potentially going to dumb down curriculum just so they can show successful metrics for the school and thus get a) bonuses,  b) promotions and c) more funding  Teachers do the same, but on a smaller scale, within the things they have control over.  Metrics shouldn't be based on the success of potentially unmotivated students.
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Judicial Watch Files Taxpayer Lawsuit over Racially Discriminatory Minneapolis Teachers’ Contract

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