Wouldn't it be funny if the coach hired embarrassed the organization and the GM was involved in a historically bad season. It is hilarious that one winning season in the Shad Khan error and yet the fans that are discontented over the state of the franchise are the problem and not the people ruining it. Much much patience has been demonstrated by the fan base. It is one win....   wouldn't it be great if the team made progress first before we whiz on fans that didn't like baalke.

And I am just using your post to make my point of how long we have been suffering while they fiddled with the reigns of the franchise. I have no ill will towards anyone posting on these forums. Honestly there aren't many of us anymore and it is nice to have this message board.

You gonna be alright?

Yeah I am because Jaguars fan doesn't run my life so there is that. You okay?

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The Khan Years

Patience, Persistence, and Piss Poor General Managers.

I didn't believe Baalke was deserving of being retained.  He had done a terrible job in San Francisco and had done nothing significant here in 2020 or 2021 to change my mind.  It also felt like he was intertwined with Urban Meyer and that it made sense for this organization to make a fresh start.  I thought there were other GM candidates in the NFL who deserved the job more and had no problem with fans who wanted to express that opinion.

That being said, once it became clear that Baalke would remain as GM, I felt we should give him a chance and hope for the best.  Some people learn from their mistakes.  It is possible to get better at your job.  I would agree that the people on here who insisted that this team would forever suck under Baalke were being too harsh on him.

I will also say that I'm not ready to throw a parade for Baalke.  It's still very to be determined.  I would remind people of the resources available to him this year:

• Huge amount of salary cap room and an owner willing to break the NFL record for the amount of money spent in free agency in an off-season.
  
• Number 1 pick in each round of the draft.
  
• Several extra draft picks.
  
• First option on any player that hit the waiver wire.
  
• A first round draft pick returning to the team who had missed all of last year with injury.
  
• A quarterback who would likely improve since he is no longer a rookie.
  
• The opportunity to hire a competent coach to replace Urban Meyer.
  

I think we could have hired virtually any qualified, competent GM and our team would be significantly improved this year given the above.  The question is whether the improvement under Baalke is more than if we had hired someone else.  We'll never know for sure because we don't know what the alternative GM would have done, but at least a better educated guess can be made as the year progresses.  It has only been two games.  I feel that our improved roster at this point is largely due to high priced free agents and first round draft picks.  To me, the good GM's separate themselves by getting production out of mid round and late round draft picks, low cost free agents, and maybe even the occasional UDFA or street free agent.  Has Baalke shown that?  At this point, I would say no, but feel that's very still to be determined.

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I didn't believe Baalke was deserving of being retained.  He had done a terrible job in San Francisco and had done nothing significant here in 2020 or 2021 to change my mind.  It also felt like he was intertwined with Urban Meyer and that it made sense for this organization to make a fresh start.  I thought there were other GM candidates in the NFL who deserved the job more and had no problem with fans who wanted to express that opinion.

That being said, once it became clear that Baalke would remain as GM, I felt we should give him a chance and hope for the best.  Some people learn from their mistakes.  It is possible to get better at your job.  I would agree that the people on here who insisted that this team would forever suck under Baalke were being too harsh on him.

I will also say that I'm not ready to throw a parade for Baalke.  It's still very to be determined.  I would remind people of the resources available to him this year:

• Huge amount of salary cap room and an owner willing to break the NFL record for the amount of money spent in free agency in an off-season.
  
• Number 1 pick in each round of the draft.
  
• Several extra draft picks.
  
• First option on any player that hit the waiver wire.
  
• A first round draft pick returning to the team who had missed all of last year with injury.
  
• A quarterback who would likely improve since he is no longer a rookie.
  
• The opportunity to hire a competent coach to replace Urban Meyer.
  

I think we could have hired virtually any qualified, competent GM and our team would be significantly improved this year given the above.  The question is whether the improvement under Baalke is more than if we had hired someone else.  We'll never know for sure because we don't know what the alternative GM would have done, but at least a better educated guess can be made as the year progresses.  It has only been two games.  I feel that our improved roster at this point is largely due to high priced free agents and first round draft picks.  To me, the good GM's separate themselves by getting production out of mid round and late round draft picks, low cost free agents, and maybe even the occasional UDFA or street free agent.  Has Baalke shown that?  At this point, I would say no, but feel that's very still to be determined.

Baalke helped build one of the strongest rosters in recent memory in SF.  He was a scout, director of player personel, vice president of player personel, and GM during there strong run and a trip to the SB.  One can argue it didnt end good but no one also knows what went on behind closed doors and no one knows him personallly.  People just read the rumors.
You still have to make the right picks and sign the right FA's.  FA's bust every year and probably more often than not.  It still remains to be seen if it was the right decision to bring him back but I really like what the foundation of this team is shaping up to be, not to mention I think he got the coaching hire right as well which is one of the most important choices a GM makes.  This was the only fan base that wanted Leftwhich as our coach, not all but there were a lot and im thankful he didnt fall for that trap.

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You gonna be alright?

Yeah I am because Jaguars fan doesn't run my life so there is that. You okay?

You're clearly still salty at him as are several others.  He's here.  If the team does well, he'll continue to be here.  If the team does poorly, he may be gone in due time.  Many of his "unpopular" off-season decisions are coming up roses so far.  Yet it comes across like you're putting yourself in the realm of rooting for him to fail...   which means you're kinda rooting for the team to fail by proxy, because that's how he loses his job.   Are you sure that's where you want to be?

That therapy session was on me.  Any more and I'm gonna have to charge you.

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I didnt love us keeping him simply because we needed a fresh start, but i do think the overall hate that was going on was a bit absurd

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I didnt love us keeping him simply because we needed a fresh start, but i do think the overall hate that was going on was a bit absurd

You literally made your avatar a clown caricature of the owner BECAUSE he wouldn't fire the guy. 

But others were "absurd." 

Got it.

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I think it was ultimately a mistake keeping him but we'll see. He has a history of wearing on coaches and he's had some great draft capital in his time here so far. We'll see how things hash out in the long run.

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I'm condescending. That means I talk down to you.

Yeah I am because Jaguars fan doesn't run my life so there is that. You okay?

You're clearly still salty at him as are several others.  He's here.  If the team does well, he'll continue to be here.  If the team does poorly, he may be gone in due time.  Many of his "unpopular" off-season decisions are coming up roses so far.  Yet it comes across like you're putting yourself in the realm of rooting for him to fail...   which means you're kinda rooting for the team to fail by proxy, because that's how he loses his job.   Are you sure that's where you want to be?

That therapy session was on me.  Any more and I'm gonna have to charge you.

Read please....  I've always wanted the team to succeed. I don't like the guy but if we succeed I really won't care. I'm not the one that makes the decisions to retain any of these people. TheDuke007 puts it better than me and that is my point.

+100 TheDuke007

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The Khan Years

Patience, Persistence, and Piss Poor General Managers.

I think it was ultimately a mistake keeping him but we'll see. He has a history of wearing on coaches and he's had some great draft capital in his time here so far. We'll see how things hash out in the long run.

I still have a sneaky suspicion that Jed York was behind a lot of the turmoil of those years, but regardless I prefer to look ahead than behind.

We're in good shape right now, arrow pointing up and all that, let's enjoy the ride.

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https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/news/tren...or-jaguars

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https://www.si.com/nfl/jaguars/news/tren...or-jaguars

Fair article..   Long season so we will see what happens next. No matter what happens, the guy isn't going anywhere the owner is very patient and the eye ball test is better than any point excluding 2017.

Edit:
Big test this week compounded by the west coast travel. Don't need a win but we don't need to see a big giant egg laying. I feel good about the coaching and think we will see growth which would be great.

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The Khan Years

Patience, Persistence, and Piss Poor General Managers.

#BaalkeMasterClass

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#BaalkeMasterClass

So far so good. I hated the Tyson Campbell and Travon Walker picks. I also thought he overpaid for Kirk. But it's fun to eat crow sometimes. I think Kirk is a polished route runner with good speed and quickness, ala Marvin Harrison. Campbell is an above average corner, and he's outperforming most/all of the other corners in his class. What baffles me is Walker Little. Why didn't they attempt to trade Cam Robinson and give Little the left tackle job, his natural position? It seems like his development is being wasted on the bench, even if he's great depth as a swing tackle.

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"I am only an average man, but by George, I work harder at it than the average man." - Teddy Roosevelt

#BaalkeMasterClass

So far so good. I hated the Tyson Campbell and Travon Walker picks. I also thought he overpaid for Kirk. But it's fun to eat crow sometimes. I think Kirk is a polished route runner with good speed and quickness, ala Marvin Harrison. Campbell is an above average corner, and he's outperforming most/all of the other corners in his class. What baffles me is Walker Little. Why didn't they attempt to trade Cam Robinson and give Little the left tackle job, his natural position? It seems like his development is being wasted on the bench, even if he's great depth as a swing tackle.

You really want Richardson to fill in if Robinson or Taylor are injured for any length of time??  Good way to get your QB killed.

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I didnt love us keeping him simply because we needed a fresh start, but i do think the overall hate that was going on was a bit absurd

Says the dude with the clown emoji profile picture. Graze on, sheep..

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#BaalkeMasterClass

So far so good. I hated the Tyson Campbell and Travon Walker picks. I also thought he overpaid for Kirk. But it's fun to eat crow sometimes. I think Kirk is a polished route runner with good speed and quickness, ala Marvin Harrison. Campbell is an above average corner, and he's outperforming most/all of the other corners in his class. What baffles me is Walker Little. Why didn't they attempt to trade Cam Robinson and give Little the left tackle job, his natural position? It seems like his development is being wasted on the bench, even if he's great depth as a swing tackle.

What happens if Cam or Taylor gets hurt?  I do think Little takes over at RT next year though being this is Taylor's last year

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I didnt love us keeping him simply because we needed a fresh start, but i do think the overall hate that was going on was a bit absurd

You literally made your avatar a clown caricature of the owner BECAUSE he wouldn't fire the guy. 

But others were "absurd." 

Got it.

I actually just did it because it looked funny. You show me where i went off on Balke.. i defended shad while you clowns were begging for byron leftwich and i wanted doug

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You literally made your avatar a clown caricature of the owner BECAUSE he wouldn't fire the guy. 

But others were "absurd." 

Got it.

I actually just did it because it looked funny. You show me where i went off on Balke.. i defended shad while you clowns were begging for byron leftwich and i wanted doug

You have a way of lumping everyone in with a couple of people that's very annoying and pretty much always makes you come across as a jerk no matter your stance on anything.  That's why you get attacked.  I guess that's what you're going for though, so carry on.

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You literally made your avatar a clown caricature of the owner BECAUSE he wouldn't fire the guy. 

But others were "absurd." 

Got it.

I actually just did it because it looked funny. You show me where i went off on Balke.. i defended shad while you clowns were begging for byron leftwich and i wanted doug

"I chose to insult our owner because it looked funny"

...and charlie manson's tattoo was just a way for him to express his love of right angles.

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I actually just did it because it looked funny. You show me where i went off on Balke.. i defended shad while you clowns were begging for byron leftwich and i wanted doug

"I chose to insult our owner because it looked funny"

...and charlie manson's tattoo was just a way for him to express his love of right angles.

"It doesn't mean what it means, it means what I want it to be." Mikesez would be proud!

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato