It just sucks because if we won that game we would be 3-1 alone at top with a slew of easy games on our schedule this month. I think barring another meltdown in the rain we should be fine but who knows.

I think "a slew of easy games" is overstating things a bit.  We're not so powerful a team that we can just check off a bunch of wins.  It's going to be ups and downs this season.  Exhilarating wins and aggravating losses.  That's the nature of progress.

Maybe easy wasnt the right word to use, perhaps i should have said games we will be heavily favored in based on the oddsmakers. I guess on the bright side we dont have to follow up this game with playing a team like kc. Hopefully by the time we play the chiefs our team has built some serious momentum similar to how it felt going into philly.

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It just sucks because if we won that game we would be 3-1 alone at top with a slew of easy games on our schedule this month. I think barring another meltdown in the rain we should be fine but who knows.

You don’t think the Ravens are kicking themselves? They should be 4-0.

It happens in the NFL. Regroup and focus on Houston.

Probably, its just the way we lost thats frustraiting because without a few self inflicted errors we win that game with relative ease imo.

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I think "a slew of easy games" is overstating things a bit.  We're not so powerful a team that we can just check off a bunch of wins.  It's going to be ups and downs this season.  Exhilarating wins and aggravating losses.  That's the nature of progress.

Maybe easy wasnt the right word to use, perhaps i should have said games we will be heavily favored in based on the oddsmakers. I guess on the bright side we dont have to follow up this game with playing a team like kc. Hopefully by the time we play the chiefs our team has built some serious momentum similar to how it felt going into philly.

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You don’t think the Ravens are kicking themselves? They should be 4-0.

It happens in the NFL. Regroup and focus on Houston.

Probably, its just the way we lost thats frustraiting because without a few self inflicted errors we win that game with relative ease imo.

I don't think we would have won that game.  Philly is a better team than we are.

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https://twitter.com/pff/status/157768252...gGO6gRmM8A

TRAAAAAAASH BUUUUUUUST

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It just sucks because if we won that game we would be 3-1 alone at top with a slew of easy games on our schedule this month. I think barring another meltdown in the rain we should be fine but who knows.

I think "a slew of easy games" is overstating things a bit.  We're not so powerful a team that we can just check off a bunch of wins.  It's going to be ups and downs this season.  Exhilarating wins and aggravating losses.  That's the nature of progress.

We are improving but no way we should consider ourselves favorites against too many teams. Houston may be one of the few teams we should beat though and I expect Trev to have a big game on Sunday. 

250 yds, 2td 0 int or other turnovers.

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https://twitter.com/reinhardNFL/status/1...dsd8u_1meQ

Complete and utter bust

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Finally watched most of the iggles matchup.

Trevor had a few bad throws.
He lost the ball too many times.
Most of his mistakes came under duress from poor OL play.

The fix is twofold.

The line needs to give him a cleaner pocket more frequently than they appear able to -
AND
Trevor needs to grow into making fewer mistakes under pressure.

It's a veteran savvy thing for Trevor to figure out, and I don't expect tons of it from him at 22/23 years old. But down the stretch of this year, and the transition to the next season are good times for him to develop the skill of knowing exactly when to throw it away or hit the deck.

I also believe not running the ball more was a mistake - as were the types of runs dialed up in the first half.
May have tried to be a bit too cute IMO. No need for all that with a back like Robinson on early downs.
Off tackles plays and outside stretches work quite well for him without all the bells and whistles, RPO, or draw plays.

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Finally watched most of the iggles matchup.

Trevor had a few bad throws.
He lost the ball too many times.
Most of his mistakes came under duress from poor OL play.

The fix is twofold.

The line needs to give him a cleaner pocket more frequently than they appear able to -
AND
Trevor needs to grow into maker fewer mistakes under pressure.

It's a veteran savvy thing for Trevor to figure out, and I don't expect tons of it from him at 22/23 years old. But down the stretch of this year, and the transition to the next season are good times for him to develop the skill of knowing exactly when to throw it away or hit the deck.

I also believe not running the ball more was a mistake - as were the types of runs dialed up in the first half.
May have tried to be a bit too cute IMO. No need for all that with a back like Robinson on early downs.
Off tackles plays and outside stretches work quite well for him without all the bells and whistles, RPO, or draw plays.

Well the game changing fumble was the one where he dropped the ball whilst running with nobody around him on 4th and 3. This was the play that really turned the game around. (also prior to this play he missed Agnew in the Endzone for what would have been an easy touchdown if he had thrown it with accuracy. Another one of his 4 fumbles was him dropping a snap.

The other two fumbles were strips, fair enough. But 3 of the 5 turnovers were absolutely 100% on him, especially the first fumble and the INT that he just made a really poor decision in throwing late. 

Overall I think mental errors on his part was the reason we lost this game, our defense wasn't shut down by any means but considering how many times we gave the Eagles the ball it's amazing that our defense was able to keep us in the game until the end. In the same way that the rain could be considered the reason Trevor had issues, I think the same could be said for the defense as i'm sure it's hard to keep your balance and go full speed whilst running on a wet surface. 

I think we will be fine, but honestly we're 3-1 right now if Trevor just picks up that 4th and 3 rather than dropping the ball randomly while running. More than likely we go up 17-0 at that point, or 21-0 if he had hit Agnew wide open in the endzone prior to the fumble.

Also I highly agree with everyone that playcalling was suspect, we have a top 10 RB and we kept putting the ball in Trevors hands after he fumbled multiple times. But something I think that has gone over everyones heads is that JR25 also fumbled early in the game, Kirk fell on it tho so it didn't change anything. Still think we could have ran more.

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https://twitter.com/pff/status/157768252...gGO6gRmM8A

TRAAAAAAASH BUUUUUUUST

But but he's a bust....

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Finally watched most of the iggles matchup.

Trevor had a few bad throws.
He lost the ball too many times.
Most of his mistakes came under duress from poor OL play.

The fix is twofold.

The line needs to give him a cleaner pocket more frequently than they appear able to -
AND
Trevor needs to grow into making fewer mistakes under pressure.

It's a veteran savvy thing for Trevor to figure out, and I don't expect tons of it from him at 22/23 years old. But down the stretch of this year, and the transition to the next season are good times for him to develop the skill of knowing exactly when to throw it away or hit the deck.

I also believe not running the ball more was a mistake - as were the types of runs dialed up in the first half.
May have tried to be a bit too cute IMO. No need for all that with a back like Robinson on early downs.
Off tackles plays and outside stretches work quite well for him without all the bells and whistles, RPO, or draw plays.

Well the game changing fumble was the one where he dropped the ball whilst running with nobody around him on 4th and 3. This was the play that really turned the game around. (also prior to this play he missed Agnew in the Endzone for what would have been an easy touchdown if he had thrown it with accuracy. Another one of his 4 fumbles was him dropping a snap.

The other two fumbles were strips, fair enough. But 3 of the 5 turnovers were absolutely 100% on him, especially the first fumble and the INT that he just made a really poor decision in throwing late. 

Overall I think mental errors on his part was the reason we lost this game, our defense wasn't shut down by any means but considering how many times we gave the Eagles the ball it's amazing that our defense was able to keep us in the game until the end. In the same way that the rain could be considered the reason Trevor had issues, I think the same could be said for the defense as i'm sure it's hard to keep your balance and go full speed whilst running on a wet surface. 

I think we will be fine, but honestly we're 3-1 right now if Trevor just picks up that 4th and 3 rather than dropping the ball randomly while running. More than likely we go up 17-0 at that point, or 21-0 if he had hit Agnew wide open in the endzone prior to the fumble.

Also I highly agree with everyone that playcalling was suspect, we have a top 10 RB and we kept putting the ball in Trevors hands after he fumbled multiple times. But something I think that has gone over everyones heads is that JR25 also fumbled early in the game, Kirk fell on it tho so it didn't change anything. Still think we could have ran more.

First, The D while facing one of the best O'lines in the league did well till they just got tired. The Eagles had the ball almost 40 minutes. This is where our depth, or lack of really took a toll. 

Just what plays do you call when your offensive line is having a bad day and getting whipped?

Better times ahead guys...

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A new broom always sweeps clean.

As this is our First Season on many levels (coaching, offensive/defensive systems, etc.) we have yet to truly put the plan in place or should I say be able to implement the plan because we have a draft or two and a couple more FA periods to get the player personnel to successfully implement said play. At times, yes our team plays good on both sides of the ball BUT that pengulum swings.

As for TL16, as the face of the franchise he'll always be criticized during the not so good times. Two more seasons within the future should tell a different story in a positive manner.

Time Will Tell.

NH3...

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"AZANE"

Finally watched most of the iggles matchup.

Trevor had a few bad throws.
He lost the ball too many times.
Most of his mistakes came under duress from poor OL play.

The fix is twofold.

The line needs to give him a cleaner pocket more frequently than they appear able to -
AND
Trevor needs to grow into maker fewer mistakes under pressure.

It's a veteran savvy thing for Trevor to figure out, and I don't expect tons of it from him at 22/23 years old. But down the stretch of this year, and the transition to the next season are good times for him to develop the skill of knowing exactly when to throw it away or hit the deck.

I also believe not running the ball more was a mistake - as were the types of runs dialed up in the first half.
May have tried to be a bit too cute IMO. No need for all that with a back like Robinson on early downs.
Off tackles plays and outside stretches work quite well for him without all the bells and whistles, RPO, or draw plays.

Well the game changing fumble was the one where he dropped the ball whilst running with nobody around him on 4th and 3.
You could label any of the turnovers as "game changing." You could label defensive errors that permitted scoring "game changing" - slippery slope. Mistakes are mistakes, some more harmful than others,  but pinning the game on one mistake is pretty flimsy. Also - I clearly said "MOST"   -  Plenty of unforced errors in that game. 
This was the play that really turned the game around. (also prior to this play he missed Agnew in the Endzone for what would have been an easy touchdown if he had thrown it with accuracy. Another one of his 4 fumbles was him dropping a snap.
The miss to Agnew was under quick pressure and thrown early on a double move. The odds of completing that pass to that route when hurried have got to be miniscule. I hope we see Trevor develop chemistry with some receivers over the next few years that would allow a play like that to still connect under pressure, but we aren't there yet. Silly to lay that at the QB's feet in my personal opinion.  

The other two fumbles were strips, fair enough. But 3 of the 5 turnovers were absolutely 100% on him, especially the first fumble and the INT that he just made a really poor decision in throwing late. 
Blame away, no one is stopping you. He made mistakes. I'll temper my blame with conditions, and play calling a bit, but that's just me. 

Overall I think mental errors on his part was the reason we lost this game, our defense wasn't shut down by any means but considering how many times we gave the Eagles the ball it's amazing that our defense was able to keep us in the game until the end. In the same way that the rain could be considered the reason Trevor had issues, I think the same could be said for the defense as i'm sure it's hard to keep your balance and go full speed whilst running on a wet surface. 

I think we will be fine, but honestly we're 3-1 right now if Trevor just picks up that 4th and 3 rather than dropping the ball randomly while running. More than likely we go up 17-0 at that point, or 21-0 if he had hit Agnew wide open in the endzone prior to the fumble. I could make a solid argument as to why we should be undefeated right now if you take away 4 instances of shooting ourselves int he foot. I bet 4 or 5 other teams can as well. Mistakes are part of the game and it's often the team with more mistakes coming up short. Maybe as the season wears on, we'll begin doing that less often. Fingers crossed. 

Also I highly agree with everyone that playcalling was suspect, we have a top 10 RB and we kept putting the ball in Trevors hands after he fumbled multiple times. But something I think that has gone over everyones heads is that JR25 also fumbled early in the game, Kirk fell on it tho so it didn't change anything. Still think we could have ran more.

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It’s pretty clear that someone made a 2nd account for rumpleteaszer.

Good grief. Some of you need to get a life.

Trevor was always going to have another bad game and guess what…. He will have another one at some point too.

Dude is clearly the best QB from that class and has every single tool you want from your franchise guy. He’s 22 man.

Give it up with the trolling because it distracts from actual discussion.

It’s amazing that we live in a world where fans of such a bloody game like football legitimately can’t take criticism about their terrible players.

1. This is actually my first account and any mod here can IP check and prove this

2. What metric says that Trevor is the best QB from his class? 

Overall arm talent: That’s obviously Zach Wilson 
Overall athleticism: Thats obviously Justin Fields 
Overall accuracy: that’s obviously Mac Jones 
Overall QB IQ: that’s obviously Mac Jones 
Ability to read NFL defense: Mac Jones 
Ability to lead the WR: Mac Jones 

Please let’s have the discussion without the “yOuR a TrOlL” bush league nonsense

2022 Stats:

Trevor Lawrence: 946 Yards, 8 TD's, 2 Ints
Mac Jones:          786 Yards, 2 TD's, 5 Ints
Justin Fields:       471 Yards, 2 TD's, 4 Ints
Zach Wilson:       252 Yards, 1 TD's, 2 Ints
Trey Lance:         194 Yards, 0 TD's, 1 Int

Trevor is on pace to have over 4,000 passing yards, over 30 touchdowns and less than 10 interceptions for the season.

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It’s amazing that we live in a world where fans of such a bloody game like football legitimately can’t take criticism about their terrible players.

1. This is actually my first account and any mod here can IP check and prove this

2. What metric says that Trevor is the best QB from his class? 

Overall arm talent: That’s obviously Zach Wilson 
Overall athleticism: Thats obviously Justin Fields 
Overall accuracy: that’s obviously Mac Jones 
Overall QB IQ: that’s obviously Mac Jones 
Ability to read NFL defense: Mac Jones 
Ability to lead the WR: Mac Jones 

Please let’s have the discussion without the “yOuR a TrOlL” bush league nonsense

2022 Stats:

Trevor Lawrence: 946 Yards, 8 TD's, 2 Ints
Mac Jones:          786 Yards, 2 TD's, 5 Ints
Justin Fields:       471 Yards, 2 TD's, 4 Ints
Zach Wilson:       252 Yards, 1 TD's, 2 Ints
Trey Lance:         194 Yards, 0 TD's, 1 Int

Trevor is on pace to have over 4,000 passing yards, over 30 touchdowns and less than 10 interceptions for the season.

Oeeeeeee Weeeeeee, Spanked that Booty.

NH3...

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"AZANE"

It’s amazing that we live in a world where fans of such a bloody game like football legitimately can’t take criticism about their terrible players.

1. This is actually my first account and any mod here can IP check and prove this

2. What metric says that Trevor is the best QB from his class? 

Overall arm talent: That’s obviously Zach Wilson 
Overall athleticism: Thats obviously Justin Fields 
Overall accuracy: that’s obviously Mac Jones 
Overall QB IQ: that’s obviously Mac Jones 
Ability to read NFL defense: Mac Jones 
Ability to lead the WR: Mac Jones 

Please let’s have the discussion without the “yOuR a TrOlL” bush league nonsense

2022 Stats:

Trevor Lawrence: 946 Yards, 8 TD's, 2 Ints
Mac Jones:          786 Yards, 2 TD's, 5 Ints
Justin Fields:       471 Yards, 2 TD's, 4 Ints
Zach Wilson:       252 Yards, 1 TD's, 2 Ints
Trey Lance:         194 Yards, 0 TD's, 1 Int

Trevor is on pace to have over 4,000 passing yards, over 30 touchdowns and less than 10 interceptions for the season.

Notice he hasn’t posted from this alt account since he threw out baseless statements that he couldn’t back up.

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Lawrence needs to take that next step this week at home. If Pederson is going to let him sling it, he needs to make those big connections that he's missed this year in quite a few games.

The early start needs to happen this Sunday. Get the ball, nickel and dime it downfield and find a way to put that ball in the end zone right on the money. Go up 7 - 0.

None of this 3 and out nonsense or 3 points. They have to get this going early. And it starts with him.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Lawrence needs to take that next step this week at home. If Pederson is going to let him sling it, he needs to make those big connections that he's missed this year in quite a few games.

The early start needs to happen this Sunday. Get the ball, nickel and dime it downfield and find a way to put that ball in the end zone right on the money. Go up 7 - 0.

None of this 3 and out nonsense or 3 points. They have to get this going early. And it starts with him.

I would rather he drop some Sacajawea's (dollar coin) on them.

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Lawrence needs to take that next step this week at home. If Pederson is going to let him sling it, he needs to make those big connections that he's missed this year in quite a few games.

The early start needs to happen this Sunday. Get the ball, nickel and dime it downfield and find a way to put that ball in the end zone right on the money. Go up 7 - 0.

None of this 3 and out nonsense or 3 points. They have to get this going early. And it starts with him.

The texans are poor at stopping the run and tend to keep their safeties back. I'd rather have a win and let other teams worry about the optics, personally.

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I’m officially admitting I was wrong.

I’m now leaning towards concern about Trevor. He handed that game to them today with poor decision making

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I’m officially admitting I was wrong.

I’m now leaning towards concern about Trevor. He handed that game to them today with poor decision making

I had concerns since he was drafted but he's shown signs of being a franchise QB at times which is why you want to give him the benefit of the doubt. The frustrating thing is he's making some of the same mistakes that he was making last year. He'll occasionally make plays that look awesome, other times he misses guys, over or underthrows or just doesn't see guys running open.

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I'm condescending. That means I talk down to you. 
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