Our #1 pick has disappeared these past few games

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Here we go again

Our #1 pick has disappeared these past few games

He was getting close in the first few drives. It's pretty clear this defense is not the same without Futakasi in the middle to eat up space and create rushing lanes. It started in Philadelphia.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Hey we’re atleast in every ballgame. That’s what we all wanted.

That is true.  But when you lose it rather than the other team win it, not sure how I feel. Definitely nice to Know that any game is winnable.  But, the losses don’t feel that good. Don’t know what to feel. Tired of 14-0 leads turning into a loss.   And yes, I know that was only twice.

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Walker has had 2 straight weeks of back breaking penalties. Both turned what would of been punts into TD drives and played a big cause in both losses.

Nailed it

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One other thing I think needs to be taken into account, we've played 4 of our first 6 games on the road. Been a tough start to the season with 3 division games already as well. 

Not saying its an excuse but another challenge for a young team.

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One other thing I think needs to be taken into account, we've played 4 of our first 6 games on the road. Been a tough start to the season with 3 division games already as well. 

Not saying its an excuse but another challenge for a young team.

Lol, we had a home game last week against a winless game and lost.  I don't think being at home means much right now

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One other thing I think needs to be taken into account, we've played 4 of our first 6 games on the road. Been a tough start to the season with 3 division games already as well. 

Not saying its an excuse but another challenge for a young team.

Lol, we had a home game last week against a winless game and lost.  I don't think being at home means much right now

It should. Teams fight for home field advantage for playoffs and a good home crowd makes it much harder for a travelling team. Like I say, just another challenge for a young team with a new system.

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Lol, we had a home game last week against a winless game and lost.  I don't think being at home means much right now

It should. Teams fight for home field advantage for playoffs and a good home crowd makes it much harder for a travelling team. Like I say, just another challenge for a young team with a new system.

Oh I agree it should, they just proved last week it doesn't

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Need a sign of improvement?

Point differential through 6 games this year +24
Point differential through 6 games last year -56

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It should. Teams fight for home field advantage for playoffs and a good home crowd makes it much harder for a travelling team. Like I say, just another challenge for a young team with a new system.

Oh I agree it should, they just proved last week it doesn't

Also sadly true. 2 'home' games coming up as one of them is in London.

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My perspective after this loss:

Defense is short a few pieces yet. We thought they were closer than they really are.
Back down to earth a bit there. 

When teams go to the quick release passes that make it tough for the pass rush to get home, we don't have enough coverage talent in the secondary to stop the pass.

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The offense has its sputtering of bad execution here and there, but they put up enough points to win today.
Protection was very bad at times from the line. Not sure how that's going to play out down the stretch, but it's certainly not  making Trevor's sophomore development any easier.

Happy to see Pederson embrace the run game a bit more today. We'll need that moving forward if the protection doesn't improve, which is doubtful.

A few weird play calls I didn't like, but he called a good game on the whole.

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We were in the game last year at Indy, driving for the potential winning TD when Lawrence fumbled away the game.  This year, the defense gives it away.  So what's different?

Agreed, we lost a number of close games last year. If you lose by 50 or you lose by 1, it's still 1 loss

That's not really true.  Most of our losses last year were not close.  10 of our 14 losses last year were by at least 2 scores.  We had 6 losses by at least 3 scores.  We had 2 losses by at least 4 scores.  One of our losses was by 5 scores.  This year 100% of our losses have been by 1 score games where we still had an opportunity to win the game almost up to the end.  All of our wins this year have also been decisive and never in doubt.

You can say a loss is a loss.  In terms of the standings and playoff position, that's true.  In terms of evaluating the quality of a team, that's complete non-sense.  A team losing close games has a much better chance of turning it around than a team that is losing by 2, 3, 4, or 5 scores which was the norm for us last year.  This year's team is one that could potentially turn it around just by our young players getting more experience or a different play call or two by Pederson, etc.  If nothing else, if you are competitive in games, it makes it realistic that one good draft next year could turn those losses into wins.  That's not true when your team is getting blown out on a regular basis.

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Agreed, we lost a number of close games last year. If you lose by 50 or you lose by 1, it's still 1 loss

That's not really true.  Most of our losses last year were not close.  10 of our 14 losses last year were by at least 2 scores.  We had 6 losses by at least 3 scores.  We had 2 losses by at least 4 scores.  One of our losses was by 5 scores.  This year 100% of our losses have been by 1 score games where we still had an opportunity to win the game almost up to the end.  All of our wins this year have also been decisive and never in doubt.

You can say a loss is a loss.  In terms of the standings and playoff position, that's true.  In terms of evaluating the quality of a team, that's complete non-sense.  A team losing close games has a much better chance of turning it around than a team that is losing by 2, 3, 4, or 5 scores which was the norm for us last year.  This year's team is one that could potentially turn it around just by our young players getting more experience or a different play call or two by Pederson, etc.  If nothing else, if you are competitive in games, it makes it realistic that one good draft next year could turn those losses into wins.  That's not true when your team is getting blown out on a regular basis.

Exactly. People with this "a loss is a loss" mindset really need to take a step back. That's why I keep asking the same question today. "Would you rather lose $10 or $100?".

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

My perspective after this loss:

Defense is short a few pieces yet. We thought they were closer than they really are.
Back down to earth a bit there. 

When teams go to the quick release passes that make it tough for the pass rush to get home, we don't have enough coverage talent in the secondary to stop the pass.

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The offense has its sputtering of bad execution here and there, but they put up enough points to win today.
Protection was very bad at times from the line. Not sure how that's going to play out down the stretch, but it's certainly not  making Trevor's sophomore development any easier.

Happy to see Pederson embrace the run game a bit more today. We'll need that moving forward if the protection doesn't improve, which is doubtful.

A few weird play calls I didn't like, but he called a good game on the whole.

What was your thoughts on this? Ryan was in the shotgun basically all game and seemed to be quite deep even for shotgun. I saw somewhere on twitter hid average release time was 2.4 seconds which no pass rush will get hone in. It seemed weird how much the secondary and LB's were struggling with the short, quick passes and they had the same plays open all day. Do you think that was a player or coaching issue as we never seemed to adjust or be able to stop it and like you said in the gameday thread just dink and dunking down the field.

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Agreed, we lost a number of close games last year. If you lose by 50 or you lose by 1, it's still 1 loss

That's not really true.  Most of our losses last year were not close.  10 of our 14 losses last year were by at least 2 scores.  We had 6 losses by at least 3 scores.  We had 2 losses by at least 4 scores.  One of our losses was by 5 scores.  This year 100% of our losses have been by 1 score games where we still had an opportunity to win the game almost up to the end.  All of our wins this year have also been decisive and never in doubt.

You can say a loss is a loss.  In terms of the standings and playoff position, that's true.  In terms of evaluating the quality of a team, that's complete non-sense.  A team losing close games has a much better chance of turning it around than a team that is losing by 2, 3, 4, or 5 scores which was the norm for us last year.  This year's team is one that could potentially turn it around just by our young players getting more experience or a different play call or two by Pederson, etc.  If nothing else, if you are competitive in games, it makes it realistic that one good draft next year could turn those losses into wins.  That's not true when your team is getting blown out on a regular basis.

If we keep the rest of our games close but don't win any more you call that improvement being they were all close?

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That's not really true.  Most of our losses last year were not close.  10 of our 14 losses last year were by at least 2 scores.  We had 6 losses by at least 3 scores.  We had 2 losses by at least 4 scores.  One of our losses was by 5 scores.  This year 100% of our losses have been by 1 score games where we still had an opportunity to win the game almost up to the end.  All of our wins this year have also been decisive and never in doubt.

You can say a loss is a loss.  In terms of the standings and playoff position, that's true.  In terms of evaluating the quality of a team, that's complete non-sense.  A team losing close games has a much better chance of turning it around than a team that is losing by 2, 3, 4, or 5 scores which was the norm for us last year.  This year's team is one that could potentially turn it around just by our young players getting more experience or a different play call or two by Pederson, etc.  If nothing else, if you are competitive in games, it makes it realistic that one good draft next year could turn those losses into wins.  That's not true when your team is getting blown out on a regular basis.

If we keep the rest of our games close but don't win any more you call that improvement being they were all close?

I don't know why you keep harping on this because it's not going to happen.

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If we keep the rest of our games close but don't win any more you call that improvement being they were all close?

I don't know why you keep harping on this because it's not going to happen.

Because I'd take the 3 wins last year over a bunch of close losses.  There are teams every year that lose a bunch of close games and then suck the following year.  Just because you have a bunch of close losses doesn't mean you will be good the following year.  Our bar shouldn't be to just be better than before, lose but not by as much.  We have to win games to show improvement.

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My perspective after this loss:

Defense is short a few pieces yet. We thought they were closer than they really are.
Back down to earth a bit there. 

When teams go to the quick release passes that make it tough for the pass rush to get home, we don't have enough coverage talent in the secondary to stop the pass.

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The offense has its sputtering of bad execution here and there, but they put up enough points to win today.
Protection was very bad at times from the line. Not sure how that's going to play out down the stretch, but it's certainly not  making Trevor's sophomore development any easier.

Happy to see Pederson embrace the run game a bit more today. We'll need that moving forward if the protection doesn't improve, which is doubtful.

A few weird play calls I didn't like, but he called a good game on the whole.

What was your thoughts on this? Ryan was in the shotgun basically all game and seemed to be quite deep even for shotgun. I saw somewhere on twitter hid average release time was 2.4 seconds which no pass rush will get hone in. It seemed weird how much the secondary and LB's were struggling with the short, quick passes and they had the same plays open all day. Do you think that was a player or coaching issue as we never seemed to adjust or be able to stop it and like you said in the gameday thread just dink and dunking down the field.

Right. 

This is what I'm talking about. 

Indy taking that approach allowed Ryan to stay clean moist of the game and find weak spots in our shallow coverage. 

I need to rewatch to be specific about coverage used and manipulated, but Caldwell switched between man and zone and Indy had plays ready for both. 
They found mismatches on LBs, they totally exposed Griffin, they had pick plays to free up crossers, they had a bevy of quick hit stuff and executed.

It's ironically the same way we picked them apart in the first matchup.

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Oh and by the way, we're the favorites next week lolol
https://twitter.com/Ballou1010xl/status/...8193973248

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Oh and by the way, we're the favorites next week lolol
https://twitter.com/Ballou1010xl/status/...8193973248

CBS is showing it as 3 points.  This is completely bizarre.  Why?  They are 5-1 with some of them being against decent teams.  We're 2-4 including losing 3 straight games.  It's at home, but that's still saying it's a tossup on a neutral field.  Weird.

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Oh and by the way, we're the favorites next week lolol
https://twitter.com/Ballou1010xl/status/...8193973248

I find that more of the sporting world refusing to buy they are for real then the Jags being actual favorites

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