I'm getting more torn about this. I don't want to pay elite money to someone who's not elite and that's what it will take to keep him long term. However if we trade him we have to take a pass rusher high next year and there'e no guarantee they'll be an improvement. But if we're going to trade him he'll never have more value than he does now.

Well said
We’ll have to take a pass rusher high next year if Allen is traded? Why? Unfortunately, this is going to be a long rebuild imho.

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He has support. That's my problem with him. Baalke went out and drafted Walker and Lloyd. He went out signed Fatukasi, Williams, Key & Oluokon. 

He hasn't had a consistently disruptive season since his rookie year and that was with Ngakoue and Campbell to piggy back off of. They went out and drafted Chaisson the following year and he didn't pan out. 

At some point, you have to put it on the player and not the supporting cast. He was drafted to replace those guys. He can't provide the production they produced. It's as simple as that. 

This is his fourth year and his best year was his rookie year. That's not good enough to justify waiting around another year to see if he's going to turn the corner or not. 

He doesn't have it in him. Otherwise these lovely little "top ten pass rushing" statistics would have started turning more into actual QB sacks, FF's, INT's, etc. 

I have seen enough out of him this year. I especially saw enough out of him over the last two weeks. It's time to move forward and start thinking about being the offense that much more explosive and that much more competent to where they can stack comfortable leads. 

You can't do that when your tying up potentially 15% of yearly cap hit percentage on one player that hasn't really done enough to justify that. All because the "market" commands said value. In spite of lack of production. 

Lawrence gets lauded and praised around here "for doing enough", yet, he's not getting enough TD's to win these games. Yet, somehow, Allen gets a pass in year four because he's "almost there". Make it make sense.

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Jawaan Taylor SHOULD be here next year. He's earned it. Those 2nd and 3rd RD picks can be packaged up to get a great player in RD1 or traded for another good player during the draft with teams looking to avoid getting into a tight cap situation over one player.

...notice how the pass rush began its disappearing act when Foley got hurt?

My thoughts are to improve the DE spots. Hamilton, Roy Rob, Key, Smoot, Gotsis all can be replaced with ease, and probably not even with premium darft capital. Rome wasn't built in a day, but they also didn't spend their days hammering away at the foundation. These kinds of moves are the ones bad teams make and continue to make while they spend years in the cellar.

You're mind's made up, though, and no amount of consideration to the contrary will sway you, so we'll just leave it there and move on.

I am on the fence. The trade has to make sense logically. It has to ultimately benefit the team in the long run and it has to ultimately create a position for this team to improve and build around it's strengths going into next year's off season. 

That's all it really boils down to for me personally. I don't think you have to continue to invest heavily and early to fix this team right now. I just think Josh Allen is extremely over hyped by this fanbase. 

I don't want Renaldo Wynn. That's exactly where this is heading with him based on what he's shown on the field in four years. Just not enough for a top ten selection.

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3rd round pick and a decent ham sandwich

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Let's trade everyone! We can put all draft picks on the field next season

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Why is there so much hysteria? We traded a RB that wasn't going to be here next year. That was it. The guy that we had in front of him, whether you like it or not, was drafted in the 1st RD for a reason and he was clearly doing more with the opportunities that he was presented with on the football field.

Everything that's been stated in this thread (among others) is strictly rumor based. There's nothing really concrete, at least not yet. Even if they did trade Josh Allen. It's one player on defense. After they spent a record amount of money this off season, primarily on the defensive side of the football, revamping it and bolstering it.

[BLEEP]. People need to relax. LOL.

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If we don't plan on resigning Taylor get what we can for him as well and let the Walker Little era begin

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It's a bad idea to trade allen. I hope he goes beast mode the rest of the season and shows why you would be a fool to trade him.

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Let's trade everyone! We can put all draft picks on the field next season

We could be the farm league team for the rest of the NFL!

Draft them, develop them, and then move them to a big league team and then start the process all over again with a new prospect.

Such an exciting concept!

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If we don't plan on resigning Taylor get what we can for him as well and let the Walker Little era begin

A lot of $$$ already going to Robinson and Scherff. How much is too much on the O-Line??

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I really like Josh, great team player and someone I’d hope we could keep, he does a fine job. However, if he’s going to demand anywhere near top of the market for DE, that’s a hard pass. Dude is just not worth that kind of deal and just doesn’t move the needle all that much at a premier position. Cut losses now or early next year, either way I wouldn’t care ONLY IF he’s not willing to be reasonable on his contract.

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Only ok if you get a 1st (assuming a playoff team takes him)

But at this point we are becoming a minor league team trading our only good players

Trade him NEXT year this time if we still suck, we have him on an option for next year. Sign Taylor this off-season sign or trade Josh next year

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It's a bad idea to trade allen.  I hope he goes beast mode the rest of the season and shows why you would be a fool to trade him.

I hope so. I had high expectations for him coming into this year. Especially with Walker being added and the money that was spent trying to shore up some of the weaknesses up front. I was expecting him to get near Tony Brackens single season franchise record. 

I don't think it's a bad idea if the value is right for this football team. The question is, how do you determine that value? Because there's a lot of variables you have to factor in between the remainder of this year and going into next year. 

Everybody is HOPING he'll turn the corner or HOPING they'll get some kind of off the charts offer for him. Pick your poison of choice I guess. It's all speculation at this point.

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Jets have offered to trade us James Robinson in exchange for Josh Allen and a 6th round draft pick.

That would be par for the course.

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If we don't plan on resigning Taylor get what we can for him as well and let the Walker Little era begin

I think they'll offer Taylor something along the lines of 4 years to the tune of $28M - $30M. That would put him just within the top ten of highest paid right tackles. 

I think you have to pick and choose your battles here. He's not elite. So, you're not paying him like he's elite. Similar to Cam Robinson's situation. It'll look like you're overpaying initially, until you realize the better players at both respective positions will get their next wave of contracts and all of a sudden it looks like we're paying them peanuts again.

My concern with Walker Little is that, despite all the off season hype and training camp focusing in on this battle. Little showed very little. My concern is that they now have a 2nd RD pick collecting dust on the sidelines instead of actually contributing. 

Baalke and Pederson need to figure that out. Can he play elsewhere on the line? Maybe LG? Bartch will be rusty coming back next year from IR. You don't want to over work Shatley incase something happens with Fortner. Scherff is going into his 2nd year on a two year deal as well. 

I think we're keeping Taylor and Little for those reasons stated above. Taylor is competent. Little is very cap friendly. You have to get them both out there at some point to make the value fit.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Is he going to become a 10+ sack guy or not? Because right now it seems its a no. So if they can get a 1 and a 2 do it or two 1s

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If we don't plan on resigning Taylor get what we can for him as well and let the Walker Little era begin

I think they'll offer Taylor something along the lines of 4 years to the tune of $28M - $30M. That would put him just within the top ten of highest paid right tackles. 

I think you have to pick and choose your battles here. He's not elite. So, you're not paying him like he's elite. Similar to Cam Robinson's situation. It'll look like you're overpaying initially, until you realize the better players at both respective positions will get their next wave of contracts and all of a sudden it looks like we're paying them peanuts again.

My concern with Walker Little is that, despite all the off season hype and training camp focusing in on this battle. Little showed very little. My concern is that they now have a 2nd RD pick collecting dust on the sidelines instead of actually contributing. 

Baalke and Pederson need to figure that out. Can he play elsewhere on the line? Maybe LG? Bartch will be rusty coming back next year from IR. You don't want to over work Shatley incase something happens with Fortner. Scherff is going into his 2nd year on a two year deal as well. 

I think we're keeping Taylor and Little for those reasons stated above. Taylor is competent. Little is very cap friendly. You have to get them both out there at some point to make the value fit.

I would think that’s a fair cost for Taylor. Just hope he would accept it. Little needs to start showing something but it’s beginning to look like he isn’t a starter, at least as a tackle.

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Man our drafts suck and our talent retention is bad. I wonder why we don't win.

I hate trading players for draft picks because we don't draft well at all. The only thing this team is good at is fleecing the fans.

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Birth of the Franchise - November 30, 1993
Death of the Franchise - November 29, 2011

Fans deserve better. Thanks for all the good times too many are in the past.

If 41 is really worth having here on the next level with a huge contract .... we'd have seen a bunch more flash at this point.

I am hoping he comes on strong and solidifies his status here as a Jag.

But man ... I think we've beaten some serious odds with repetitive drafting of bad 1st rounders.

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You're Welcome.

Hmm... interesting rumour. It's one thing for teams to come asking, it's another for the Jags to be looking. I assume another club asked about Allen but they offered too little so the Jags called up their guy at the station to try and drum up some competitive offers. The Jags must be ready to deal if they get the right price.

Or no one has come asking about Allen at all and this is how the Jags get his name out on the market without making him and everyone else in the club paranoid about the next week and a half. Does anyone knows the rules on trade dealings? Does a player and his agent need to be informed of a club's intention to trade? Or informed if another club inquires?

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Why is there so much hysteria? We traded a RB that wasn't going to be here next year. That was it. The guy that we had in front of him, whether you like it or not, was drafted in the 1st RD for a reason and he was clearly doing more with the opportunities that he was presented with on the football field.

Everything that's been stated in this thread (among others) is strictly rumor based. There's nothing really concrete, at least not yet. Even if they did trade Josh Allen. It's one player on defense. After they spent a record amount of money this off season, primarily on the defensive side of the football, revamping it and bolstering it.

[BLEEP]. People need to relax. LOL.

This exactly thank you for posting it You saved me from having to write it myself

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