They are looking for someone with a 5 foot vertical who can catch TL's overthrows.

They're not going to get him today. You're looking at Quentin Johnston, AT Perry & Dontay Demus Jr. next year to fill these roles in the draft. They have to do everything in their power to land at least ONE of them but ideally they need to figure out a way to land two of them.

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Help is not on the way

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Only WR available that I'd make a push for is Jerry Jeudy. I belive he has the ability to a WR1 in this league.

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They're realizing now they can't get it done without a viable threat on the outside. Trying to get a head start on next off season's needs.

I would take anybody within a reasonably fair trade. Give me Metcalf or Lockett. Give me Higgins or Jeudy. McLaurin or Boyd. Plenty of day three picks to package up with a player to get this done.

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Do we have cap room to pay any of these dudes?
Cripes, I don't even know that we could afford Elijah Moore on a rookie 2nd rounder's salary.

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They're realizing now they can't get it done without a viable threat on the outside. Trying to get a head start on next off season's needs.

I would take anybody within a reasonably fair trade. Give me Metcalf or Lockett. Give me Higgins or Jeudy. McLaurin or Boyd. Plenty of day three picks to package up with a player to get this done.

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Do we have cap room to pay any of these dudes?
Cripes, I don't even know that we could afford Elijah Moore on a rookie 2nd rounder's salary.

Doubtful. They're going to have some spring cleaning next year for sure. It'll start with Griffin at CB and Chaisson at OLB more than likely. Between the two of them you're looking at close to $20M being cleared up next year. Roy Robertson Harris, Rayshawn Jenkins, Marvin Jones, Evan Engram, etc. They also have a pretty penny on the current salary cap but that all clears up once they hit the market. 

That's why I think it'll have to be next year at this point.

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Do we have cap room to pay any of these dudes?
Cripes, I don't even know that we could afford Elijah Moore on a rookie 2nd rounder's salary.

Doubtful. They're going to have some spring cleaning next year for sure. It'll start with Griffin at CB and Chaisson at OLB more than likely. Between the two of them you're looking at close to $20M being cleared up next year. Roy Robertson Harris, Rayshawn Jenkins, Marvin Jones, Evan Engram, etc. They also have a pretty penny on the current salary cap but that all clears up once they hit the market. 

That's why I think it'll have to be next year at this point.

MJJ are FAs next year so they won't have to cut them.

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the record does't matter. if jags were 6-2 they still wouldn't go after a wr. the owner isn't smart enough.

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"deep threat" is not an issue

Guys are open deep when they run those routes. Zay, Christian and Agnew before he was hurt. The film shows them all open on deep breaking routes.

They just don't have a dominant X type that can win contested catches and beat the press on the outside.
Adding that would certainly help, but it's not really about the deep ball IMO.

Protection is the primary issue with the deep ball. Trevor is under pressure too quickly on the majority of the plays that take time to develop.

I don't agree with the protection. A lot of the local guys, including Lageman just now is saying things that clearly contradict this thought.

He's had time. He still sails passes or doesn't put enough air under the ball for his guy to run underneath it.

Taylor's having a career year at RT. He's been sacked 12 times this year which is tied for 3rd best overall. This is all in a pass centric offense primarily ran out of the gun.

His receivers are not catching everything thrown their way neither in fairness to Lawrence. Agnew hooped a deep shot earlier this year.

However, again, missed a deep pass to Robinson a week or two ago. Missed some earlier opportunities this year to both Jones'.

You're saying we're not missing a deep threat and that guys are open, yet, its the pass blocking failing to give him time.

I think the reality is him making mistakes early and then getting gun shy from that point onward in conjunction with the lack of a truly capable deep threat that commands respect and can separate at the top.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

"deep threat" is not an issue

Guys are open deep when they run those routes. Zay, Christian and Agnew before he was hurt. The film shows them all open on deep breaking routes.

They just don't have a dominant X type that can win contested catches and beat the press on the outside.
Adding that would certainly help, but it's not really about the deep ball IMO.

Protection is the primary issue with the deep ball. Trevor is under pressure too quickly on the majority of the plays that take time to develop.

I don't agree with the protection. A lot of the local guys, including Lageman just now is saying things that clearly contradict this thought.

He's had time. He still sails passes or doesn't put enough air under the ball for his guy to run underneath it.

Taylor's having a career year at RT. He's been sacked 12 times this year which is tied for 3rd best overall. This is all in a pass centric offense primarily ran out of the gun.

His receivers are not catching everything thrown their way neither in fairness to Lawrence. Agnew hooped a deep shot earlier this year.

However, again, missed a deep pass to Robinson a week or two ago. Missed some earlier opportunities this year to both Jones'.

You're saying we're not missing a deep threat and that guys are open, yet, its the pass blocking failing to give him time.

I think the reality is him making mistakes early and then getting gun shy from that point onward in conjunction with the lack of a truly capable deep threat that commands respect and can separate at the top.

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I have a busy day today - but if I have time later in the evening I'll post the clear evidence of Trevor being forced to evade pressure with no pocket to step into on LOTS these downfield or intermediate routes. 

It's super obvious in the all 22 end zone angles. 

Jags OL is 5th worst in the league in pass pro win rate and that isn't fantasy. 

It's not the ONLY factor here, but it is happening too often to let Pederson open up that part of the play book.

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Starting Forner week one was a mistake imo. Shatley should of been our starting center over the rookie. Shatley is an average center and Fortner has been horrible this year. I also think Little should be our starting LG. I always liked the coaches that said they would put their best 5 out there and if Little isn't one of the top 5 lineman on this team he is a bust.

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Starting Forner week one was a mistake imo. Shatley should of been our starting center over the rookie. Shatley is an average center and Fortner has been horrible this year. I also think Little should be our starting LG. I always liked the coaches that said they would put their best 5 out there and if Little isn't one of the top 5 lineman on this team he is a bust.

I’m beginning to think Little can’t play inside. Otherwise I think he’d be starting at LG right now.

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the record does't matter. if jags were 6-2 they still wouldn't go after a wr. the owner isn't smart enough.

Bring back downvotes, sysadmin.

We can't have people getting their widdle feewings hurt.

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Bring back downvotes, sysadmin.

We can't have people getting their widdle feewings hurt.

People get there feeling hurt all the time without the down votes

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We can't have people getting their widdle feewings hurt.

People get there feeling hurt all the time without the down votes

Yeah you do.

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I don't agree with the protection. A lot of the local guys, including Lageman just now is saying things that clearly contradict this thought.

He's had time. He still sails passes or doesn't put enough air under the ball for his guy to run underneath it.

Taylor's having a career year at RT. He's been sacked 12 times this year which is tied for 3rd best overall. This is all in a pass centric offense primarily ran out of the gun.

His receivers are not catching everything thrown their way neither in fairness to Lawrence. Agnew hooped a deep shot earlier this year.

However, again, missed a deep pass to Robinson a week or two ago. Missed some earlier opportunities this year to both Jones'.

You're saying we're not missing a deep threat and that guys are open, yet, its the pass blocking failing to give him time.

I think the reality is him making mistakes early and then getting gun shy from that point onward in conjunction with the lack of a truly capable deep threat that commands respect and can separate at the top.

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I have a busy day today - but if I have time later in the evening I'll post the clear evidence of Trevor being forced to evade pressure with no pocket to step into on LOTS these downfield or intermediate routes. 

It's super obvious in the all 22 end zone angles. 

Jags OL is 5th worst in the league in pass pro win rate and that isn't fantasy. 

It's not the ONLY factor here, but it is happening too often to let Pederson open up that part of the play book.

Take your time. No rush. Looking forward to it though. Again, not saying the line has been perfect. However, it's just too easy to say it's obvious or that it's just one particular group that's to blame. 

Lawrence has been wildly inaccurate at times and in the NFL, even the top tier QB's are often required to stand in the pocket until the last possible minute and take a shot or two to the chest to make a rainbow pass for a huge gain or a bullet for a first down on third and long. 

Starting Forner week one was a mistake imo.  Shatley should of been our starting center over the rookie.  Shatley is an average center and Fortner has been horrible this year.  I also think Little should be our starting LG.  I always liked the coaches that said they would put their best 5 out there and if Little isn't one of the top 5 lineman on this team he is a bust.

I think Fortner is gaining invaluable lessons this year and going into next year it'll make him a pretty damn good Center. I think it was the right decision in the grand scheme of things. Shatley now has to fill in where Bartch was. Agreed on Little. 

Starting Forner week one was a mistake imo.  Shatley should of been our starting center over the rookie.  Shatley is an average center and Fortner has been horrible this year.  I also think Little should be our starting LG.  I always liked the coaches that said they would put their best 5 out there and if Little isn't one of the top 5 lineman on this team he is a bust.

I’m beginning to think Little can’t play inside. Otherwise I think he’d be starting at LG right now.

Yes. I agree here as well regarding Little. Certainly concerning that they haven't figured out what to do with him yet. He's a 2nd RD pick collecting dust. The fact that they traded for Van Lanen and then just picked-up another Guard from San Francisco is concerning. 

However, I don't coach football and I don't know if it's easy to tell a prototypical tackle that usually plays more upright to go and put his fingers in the dirt and get prepared for a NT and DE running right at him inside. 

At any rate. Nobody wants to see a 2nd RD pick riding the pine.

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https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/...5706196993

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I am a fan, not a cheerleader.

This is a great trade for the Vikings. I would of done this all day

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/...BVZKBcKkBg

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Hockenson would of been perfect for this team and Dougs offense

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https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/...5706196993

This is a great trade for the Vikings.  I would of done this all day

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/...BVZKBcKkBg

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Hockenson would of been perfect for this team and Dougs offense

Really? To a divisional rival? Talk about guts there man. Damn. If Hockenson is worth a 2nd and 3rd RD pick call me crazy but I think Josh Allen commands a minimum of a 1st RD pick and/or a 3rd RD pick on top of that.

I ain't giving up a 2nd and 3rd RD pick for Hockenson here though man. We're 2 - 6. Not 6 - 1 and making a play off run this year. That's INSANE to even entertain. You're going to need more than Hockenson on this offense to get better in one season.

I would rather keep my high 2nd RD pick for next year's draft and go after a Demus Jr, AT Perry or move up for Quentin Johnston. I think they need to resign Engram and Arnold though.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

https://twitter.com/TomPelissero/status/...5706196993

This is a great trade for the Vikings.  I would of done this all day

https://twitter.com/AdamSchefter/status/...BVZKBcKkBg

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Hockenson would of been perfect for this team and Dougs offense

Really? To a divisional rival? Talk about guts there man. Damn. If Hockenson is worth a 2nd and 3rd RD pick call me crazy but I think Josh Allen commands a minimum of a 1st RD pick and/or a 3rd RD pick on top of that.

I ain't giving up a 2nd and 3rd RD pick for Hockenson here though man. We're 2 - 6. Not 6 - 1 and making a play off run this year. That's INSANE to even entertain. You're going to need more than Hockenson on this offense to get better in one season.

I would rather keep my high 2nd RD pick for next year's draft and go after a Demus Jr, AT Perry or move up for Quentin Johnston. I think they need to resign Engram and Arnold though.

The Vikings also got 2 4th round picks.  Hockenson is one of the better TEs in this league and I think his best football is ahead of him.  He's only 25 and I this his best football is ahead of him.  The way Doug likes to use TEs he would of been perfect here and a great target for Trev. I don't think we will have to move up to get Johnston lol. I doubt he goes 1 or 2

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