Jagwired. There was progress. It's however, plateaued over the last five games. It's also the same exact scenario presenting itself. So, while there was growth, it's now concerning that it's been stunted and there's been really no change in that at all. Whether you want to point the finger at Lawrence for the turning the football over or missing TD opportunities. Or, whether you want to point the finger at the defense for falling to pieces in the 4th quarter of play. It's both at the end of the day. 

Jaguars Warrior. Yes, there was a year. It was actually in 2016, which turned into 2017. You can also go back and cite this pattern with Jack Del Rio. Which is where I think Doug Pederson can turn this franchise into for at least a nice little four year stretch if they can get the right players around Lawrence to make his offense fire on all cylinders. This year has been different. The growth has been painful to watch. 

It's plateaued though. They might win a few more games. The most likely contest would be the Raiders and Lions. Those are potentially games that are going to determine who ends up having the first overall pick in next year's draft. Could make or break a lot of the fanbase's loyalists and diehards going towards the end of this year.

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What? What's the [BLEEP] point of watching a team lose? What's the point of investing time, money and effort to getting to these games or watching these games if they're just going to continue to lose? 

You think these coaches, players and front office people get together every year and the goal is to be a [BLEEP] box football team? Holy [BLEEP]. You must be one of those participation trophy kids all grown up. My god. Get the [BLEEP] out of here with that nonsense. Please. 

We are not playing the games.

We are fans because of the experience of rooting for a team and the memories that come from that over years or even decades. Most franchises win only a few titles in their entire existence. Even fewer have runs of dominance. Of course you want you're team to be a winner, but the reason to be a die hard fan for extended period of time is rooting for a franchise through the ups and downs, no matter how long or insanely ridiculous they are. You have hope for improvement and are dejected when it doesn't come through. But you continue to root for the team because you have hope they can eventually, maybe turn it around. 

If your ONLY metric is championships, then it is waste of your time, money, and effort to root for any team but the favorite of the moment. 

Yet, a good portion of this board is completely resigned that this team/franchise will never become anything because of the owner, they are cursed, or just #becausejaguars. I completely understand how rooting for this franchise can make you lose hope. Trust me. Most of the teams I've ever rooted for have continually lost, blown amazing opportunities, or moved away. Then only one to actually win had their title tainted by an idiotic cheating scandal. 

However, I have as many great memories of rooting for and cheering on those for the years those teams did not win as I do for those that have win. I have one my best friends because of our ties to rooting to Jaguars games and going to every single home game for 5 years. 

So again I say if all you are doing is trying to invest your time and money in 100% bet of a winner, then yes you are wasting your time. If you have completely lost your hope, why are you spend your time here trolling this board?

K.

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Did you say it last year? How about the year before? I seriously doubt even the most die hard among us felt that way when Doug Marrone crashed or Urban was here. And yeah, just based on what we've seen this year it's actually different and if you don't see it that's because you choose not to because you're mainlining cynicism.

We were absolutely better last year than the year before but we still sucked and it wasnt good enough. We beat the Dolphins, Bills, and Colts and the year before we lost 15 in a row.  We have a 2nd year QB, a SB winning coach, our 1st round pick in Etienne came back that didn't play a down the year before, 2 1st round picks, and set the record in free agency.  Of course we are going to be better than the year before but just being better than the year before still might not be good enough.  We have been favored in the last 2 or 3 games and have lost.  We haven't yet made it to the win total we had last year, yet we still have a lot more games to play.  If we lose to the Raiders at home who just got shut out we might not even make it to our win total from last year.  If we don't hit our win total from last year this team got worse.

What is this even supposed to mean? hahaha

"The Chiefs haven't hit their win total from last year AND YET THEY STILL HAVE A LOT MORE GAMES TO PLAY!"

The Jags are 10th in yards per game and they were 26th last season. They averaged 14.9 points per game last year  and this year they are averaging 21.5. This could be even better if you get rid of the redzone fumbles and interceptions. Last year, the defense gave up almost 27 a game and this year, it's under 20. 

I'm willing to bet anyone that they win 2 or more games the rest of the season and I wouldn't be shocked if they win 4 or 5.

https://twitter.com/APMarkLong/status/15...NFUWhteJxg

It's truly a weird season.

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We were absolutely better last year than the year before but we still sucked and it wasnt good enough. We beat the Dolphins, Bills, and Colts and the year before we lost 15 in a row.  We have a 2nd year QB, a SB winning coach, our 1st round pick in Etienne came back that didn't play a down the year before, 2 1st round picks, and set the record in free agency.  Of course we are going to be better than the year before but just being better than the year before still might not be good enough.  We have been favored in the last 2 or 3 games and have lost.  We haven't yet made it to the win total we had last year, yet we still have a lot more games to play.  If we lose to the Raiders at home who just got shut out we might not even make it to our win total from last year.  If we don't hit our win total from last year this team got worse.

What is this even supposed to mean? hahaha

"The Chiefs haven't hit their win total from last year AND YET THEY STILL HAVE A LOT MORE GAMES TO PLAY!"

The Jags are 10th in yards per game and they were 26th last season. They averaged 14.9 points per game last year  and this year they are averaging 21.5. This could be even better if you get rid of the redzone fumbles and interceptions. Last year, the defense gave up almost 27 a game and this year, it's under 20. 

I'm willing to bet anyone that they win 2 or more games the rest of the season and I wouldn't be shocked if they win 4 or 5.

https://twitter.com/APMarkLong/status/15...NFUWhteJxg

It's truly a weird season.

You already peddled this around on here. It's not a weird season. It's situational football being failed at the highest level this season. Turning the football over in the red zone and fumbling the bag in the 4th quarter defensively translates into everything cited in those statistics. 

Again, show me the charts, analytics or graph where this team is failing to score in the red zone, failing defensively in the 4th quarter with under 10 minutes to play, etc. That's your answer.

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What is this even supposed to mean? hahaha

"The Chiefs haven't hit their win total from last year AND YET THEY STILL HAVE A LOT MORE GAMES TO PLAY!"

The Jags are 10th in yards per game and they were 26th last season. They averaged 14.9 points per game last year  and this year they are averaging 21.5. This could be even better if you get rid of the redzone fumbles and interceptions. Last year, the defense gave up almost 27 a game and this year, it's under 20. 

I'm willing to bet anyone that they win 2 or more games the rest of the season and I wouldn't be shocked if they win 4 or 5.

https://twitter.com/APMarkLong/status/15...NFUWhteJxg

It's truly a weird season.

You already peddled this around on here. It's not a weird season. It's situational football being failed at the highest level this season. Turning the football over in the red zone and fumbling the bag in the 4th quarter defensively translates into everything cited in those statistics. 

Again, show me the charts, analytics or graph where this team is failing to score in the red zone, failing defensively in the 4th quarter with under 10 minutes to play, etc. That's your answer.

Exactly, it's what bad teams do, they find ways to lose.  It's not weird at all ll

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We were absolutely better last year than the year before but we still sucked and it wasnt good enough. We beat the Dolphins, Bills, and Colts and the year before we lost 15 in a row.  We have a 2nd year QB, a SB winning coach, our 1st round pick in Etienne came back that didn't play a down the year before, 2 1st round picks, and set the record in free agency.  Of course we are going to be better than the year before but just being better than the year before still might not be good enough.  We have been favored in the last 2 or 3 games and have lost.  We haven't yet made it to the win total we had last year, yet we still have a lot more games to play.  If we lose to the Raiders at home who just got shut out we might not even make it to our win total from last year.  If we don't hit our win total from last year this team got worse.

What is this even supposed to mean? hahaha

"The Chiefs haven't hit their win total from last year AND YET THEY STILL HAVE A LOT MORE GAMES TO PLAY!"

The Jags are 10th in yards per game and they were 26th last season. They averaged 14.9 points per game last year  and this year they are averaging 21.5. This could be even better if you get rid of the redzone fumbles and interceptions. Last year, the defense gave up almost 27 a game and this year, it's under 20. 

I'm willing to bet anyone that they win 2 or more games the rest of the season and I wouldn't be shocked if they win 4 or 5.

https://twitter.com/APMarkLong/status/15...NFUWhteJxg

It's truly a weird season.

They showed yesterday we have the worst point differential in the league in the 2nd and 4th quarters combined.   It's not how you start it's how you finish, I'm surprised you didn't know that. That's bad football.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Has there ever been a year where we haven't said "We are making progress", or "Next year we'll be ready"?
Do we really, honestly, truly believe this year is actually different? You all are huffing copium.

Last year? The entire Gene Smith tenure?

The year before last, when we tried to run with Shew, Glennon and Luton?

or have we forgotten just how very miserable those seasons were?

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I honestly don't know why some of this board is still fans of this team.

If you're fandom is completely invested in your team winning a championship, then you are in the wrong business. That should not be the sole metric you use. As you are more likely to be let down for the vast majority of years of being fan of that team for like 95%+ of teams in the 4 major sports.

What? What's the [BLEEP] point of watching a team lose? What's the point of investing time, money and effort to getting to these games or watching these games if they're just going to continue to lose? 

You think these coaches, players and front office people get together every year and the goal is to be a [BLEEP] box football team? Holy [BLEEP]. You must be one of those participation trophy kids all grown up. My god. Get the [BLEEP] out of here with that nonsense. Please.

I think you're making the very point rpr is trying to make.

Being a fan is fine. When they win, cheer. When they lose, be sad. But the emotional overload you and others here put yourselves through over something you have absolutely zero control over is probably unhealthy. It's ok to say "this team makes me someone I don't like to be" and take a break. It's ok, We'll be here when you're ready to give it another go. I've been there, and I've stepped aside. I survived without disappointing Jaguar football.

Winning isn't everything. If winning were that important, it's probably better to go play Madden on rookie, should be able to get the dub every time. Every darft pick would always hit, and you'd get stats for days.

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What? What's the [BLEEP] point of watching a team lose? What's the point of investing time, money and effort to getting to these games or watching these games if they're just going to continue to lose? 

You think these coaches, players and front office people get together every year and the goal is to be a [BLEEP] box football team? Holy [BLEEP]. You must be one of those participation trophy kids all grown up. My god. Get the [BLEEP] out of here with that nonsense. Please.

I think you're making the very point rpr is trying to make.

Being a fan is fine. When they win, cheer. When they lose, be sad. But the emotional overload you and others here put yourselves through over something you have absolutely zero control over is probably unhealthy. It's ok to say "this team makes me someone I don't like to be" and take a break. It's ok, We'll be here when you're ready to give it another go. I've been there, and I've stepped aside. I survived without disappointing Jaguar football.

Winning isn't everything. If winning were that important, it's probably better to go play Madden on rookie, should be able to get the dub every time. Every darft pick would always hit, and you'd get stats for days.

If every fan was like this the owner would never spen money in FA and never resign their good players to big contracts and all the fans would still come to watch us get destroyed because it's not about wins.  It is about winning for most

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What? What's the [BLEEP] point of watching a team lose? What's the point of investing time, money and effort to getting to these games or watching these games if they're just going to continue to lose? 

You think these coaches, players and front office people get together every year and the goal is to be a [BLEEP] box football team? Holy [BLEEP]. You must be one of those participation trophy kids all grown up. My god. Get the [BLEEP] out of here with that nonsense. Please.

I think you're making the very point rpr is trying to make.

Being a fan is fine. When they win, cheer. When they lose, be sad. But the emotional overload you and others here put yourselves through over something you have absolutely zero control over is probably unhealthy. It's ok to say "this team makes me someone I don't like to be" and take a break. It's ok, We'll be here when you're ready to give it another go. I've been there, and I've stepped aside. I survived without disappointing Jaguar football.

Winning isn't everything. If winning were that important, it's probably better to go play Madden on rookie, should be able to get the dub every time. Every darft pick would always hit, and you'd get stats for days.

Unless I am personally trolling, calling someone out of their username by hurling insults or making it beyond personal for whatever reason with anybody on here. I would agree. You have a point. 

However, I don't. So, I don't see your point. But, carry on I guess.

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I think you're making the very point rpr is trying to make.

Being a fan is fine. When they win, cheer. When they lose, be sad. But the emotional overload you and others here put yourselves through over something you have absolutely zero control over is probably unhealthy. It's ok to say "this team makes me someone I don't like to be" and take a break. It's ok, We'll be here when you're ready to give it another go. I've been there, and I've stepped aside. I survived without disappointing Jaguar football.

Winning isn't everything. If winning were that important, it's probably better to go play Madden on rookie, should be able to get the dub every time. Every darft pick would always hit, and you'd get stats for days.

If every fan was like this the owner would never spen money in FA and never resign their good players to big contracts and all the fans would still come to watch us get destroyed because it's not about wins.  It is about winning for most

If owners are spending to satiate fans, they end up where we are. (Guess what Shad's been having to do virtually since he bought the team?)

Most fans are inpatient and irrational. Look at teams that sell well, win or lose. How often do they make rash decisions that set the franchise back a half decade?

I never said it isn't about wins. It's about wins and losses destroying your mental well-being.

Look at my point - how many STH has this team lost over the decade of losing? Did those STH run to midfield and take a dump on the logo to express their discontent? I mean, that would get the point across that they weren't happy, right? Maybe they should have renewed, and just spent all season dressing for circus cosplay to insult the owner. Then he'd know they care about Ws and Ls, right?

Wins absolutely are important to a fanbase. But they shouldn't be the only thing that makes you a fan. If them losing turns you into a worse person, maybe it's time to pursue a different fandom? The way that losses affect some around here absolutely impact the level of regard I have for them. We're adults, we should be better than the kindergarteners on the playground who aren't getting their way. Maybe my expectations are too high, that seems to be a theme around here lately.

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If every fan was like this the owner would never spen money in FA and never resign their good players to big contracts and all the fans would still come to watch us get destroyed because it's not about wins.  It is about winning for most

If owners are spending to satiate fans, they end up where we are. (Guess what Shad's been having to do virtually since he bought the team?)

Most fans are inpatient and irrational. Look at teams that sell well, win or lose. How often do they make rash decisions that set the franchise back a half decade?

I never said it isn't about wins. It's about wins and losses destroying your mental well-being.

Look at my point - how many STH has this team lost over the decade of losing? Did those STH run to midfield and take a dump on the logo to express their discontent? I mean, that would get the point across that they weren't happy, right? Maybe they should have renewed, and just spent all season dressing for circus cosplay to insult the owner. Then he'd know they care about Ws and Ls, right?

Wins absolutely are important to a fanbase. But they shouldn't be the only thing that makes you a fan. If them losing turns you into a worse person, maybe it's time to pursue a different fandom? The way that losses affect some around here absolutely impact the level of regard I have for them. We're adults, we should be better than the kindergarteners on the playground who aren't getting their way. Maybe my expectations are too high, that seems to be a theme around here lately.

They are.  Personally, I have a hard time getting up or down too much one way or another any longer even if I wanted to.  Did I grow up or enter mild state of depression?  I'm not sure either.

Regardless, fans get pissed and throw fits, and this seems the perfect place to let off steam.  I mean, we've had some bad seasons, but to be sooo close to getting over the hump and continuing to blow it like we have - that's got to be maddening to a lot of fans, particularly our younger folks...  20 years ago I would probably be slamming my head against the wall in frustration too.

So yeah, I'm not too far from where you are, but you're coming across a bit preachy.  Better to blow off steam on a message board than in traffic, I always say.

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I think you're making the very point rpr is trying to make.

Being a fan is fine. When they win, cheer. When they lose, be sad. But the emotional overload you and others here put yourselves through over something you have absolutely zero control over is probably unhealthy. It's ok to say "this team makes me someone I don't like to be" and take a break. It's ok, We'll be here when you're ready to give it another go. I've been there, and I've stepped aside. I survived without disappointing Jaguar football.

Winning isn't everything. If winning were that important, it's probably better to go play Madden on rookie, should be able to get the dub every time. Every darft pick would always hit, and you'd get stats for days.

Unless I am personally trolling, calling someone out of their username by hurling insults or making it beyond personal for whatever reason with anybody on here. I would agree. You have a point. 

However, I don't. So, I don't see your point. But, carry on I guess.

Your posting has changed over the past few weeks, and IMO not for the better. There's anger and frustration and negativity, and it's not a good look. It might be time to take a breather.

That was my point, in part. I think it carries over to the sentiment of the board itself. Negativity, like losing, is infectious. Personally, I believe you (and the vast majority of those on this board) are better than the posts that have dominated threads lately. You're one of the better posters in this community, and I am sad that the team's recent showings have dragged you down. 

I may just be a robit, I dunno. I fight anxieties daily, beat myself up over super stupid meaningless things, and strive to be someone my kids should want to grow up to be like (hey guess what another thing to beat myself up over!). I don't get worked up over bad plays, tough losses, or failed darfts. Maybe I'm wrong to expect people to be equally disciplined when it comes to outburst or understand when negativity fuels the message.

That's not to say I can't or won't voice displeasure - I was quite ridiculed last year for the almost immediate skepticism over Urbz's hire and his rapid succession of boneheaded moves. I saw it as a catastrophic sequence of decisions that were going to crater this franchise and potentially end their time in Duval. I don't see any of that in the present day. It's not all rainbows and daffodils, but it's at least something that we can support and cheer without having to first issue a disclaimer regarding the ding-dong(s) ruining the thing that brings us joy.

Y'all can carry on, if screaming into this void is what makes you better. I guess I'll be the one to take the break instead.

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Unless I am personally trolling, calling someone out of their username by hurling insults or making it beyond personal for whatever reason with anybody on here. I would agree. You have a point. 

However, I don't. So, I don't see your point. But, carry on I guess.

Your posting has changed over the past few weeks, and IMO not for the better. There's anger and frustration and negativity, and it's not a good look. It might be time to take a breather.

That was my point, in part. I think it carries over to the sentiment of the board itself. Negativity, like losing, is infectious. Personally, I believe you (and the vast majority of those on this board) are better than the posts that have dominated threads lately. You're one of the better posters in this community, and I am sad that the team's recent showings have dragged you down. 

I may just be a robit, I dunno. I fight anxieties daily, beat myself up over super stupid meaningless things, and strive to be someone my kids should want to grow up to be like (hey guess what another thing to beat myself up over!). I don't get worked up over bad plays, tough losses, or failed darfts. Maybe I'm wrong to expect people to be equally disciplined when it comes to outburst or understand when negativity fuels the message.

That's not to say I can't or won't voice displeasure - I was quite ridiculed last year for the almost immediate skepticism over Urbz's hire and his rapid succession of boneheaded moves. I saw it as a catastrophic sequence of decisions that were going to crater this franchise and potentially end their time in Duval. I don't see any of that in the present day. It's not all rainbows and daffodils, but it's at least something that we can support and cheer without having to first issue a disclaimer regarding the ding-dong(s) ruining the thing that brings us joy.

Y'all can carry on, if screaming into this void is what makes you better. I guess I'll be the one to take the break instead.

I think you're confusing passion with anger. Look, I don't play favorites on here. With any poster. I don't go out of my way to step on anybody's toes. I just read and react or observe and provide an opinion. That's about it in a nutshell.

I am unapologetic and unflinching when it comes to specific things. I am not even trying to get anybody to agree with me nor start a little club or click on here.

It is what it is. That's how I interpret it. When I think something is wrong or off. I call it out. When I think something is right or agreeable. I call it out. I have been relatively fair and troll free around here with most posters.

With the exception of maybe one or two posters, really, trolls. Nothing personal. No harm. No foul. I'll be here every Sunday or gameday just like every other fan on here. And filling in dead time in between all of that.

Again. Cheers man.

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There is progress.....

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There was progress....

Yeah, in the first few weeks, not anymore

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I am a fan, not a cheerleader.

There is progress.....

There was progress....

Yeah, in the first few weeks, not anymore

At any rate. You're both on here for a reason. We just want to see this team win. We'll eventually get there. May not be this year, maybe not even next year, but, at least once or twice every decade we know this team will pull at least one winning season or come out of left field with a play off run. 

This is true. No matter what we feel or perceive things to be. Low man is always due here in Duval county at some point. Had the 1990's late run. Had a few nice little runs in 2003 - 2010 with Jack Del Rio. Had that nice little run in 2017. We're just now getting into this new decade and I said it already. 

But, I truly feel like Doug Pederson is capable of pulling off, at the minimum, a nice little three to four year stretch of winning games to be in the play off hunt conversation or at least in the actual play off's. I really feel like that probably starts happening with next year's team. 

At some point they'll flip these mistakes into positive plays and we'll be looking at 5 - 3 or 6 - 2 football team come week eight of next year. That's just my opinion and feeling. There was progress. It's plateaued. Now, it's up to these guys to rise above that and start climbing back up into what progress should look like. 

I am still holding out hope this team pulls out six wins this year. I wanted six at the beginning of the year. They still have half the year to go to make it happen.

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2 - 8 going into the bye. Then we beat the Texans to round out a 3 win season. Exact same record as Meyer, but a team that loses closer.

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"Remember Red, Hope is a good thing. Maybe the best of things. And no good thing ever dies."  - Andy Dufresne, The Shawshank Redemption

There was progress....

Yeah, in the first few weeks, not anymore

Imagine winning 2 straight and then losing 5 straight and think it's improvement and progress  lol

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Yeah, in the first few weeks, not anymore

Imagine winning 2 straight and then losing 5 straight and think it's improvement and progress  lol

Imagine losing games by 20 one season then 3 the next and sticking your head in the ground so you don't have to accept that the team made progress.

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“An empty vessel makes the loudest sound, so they that have the least wit are the greatest babblers.”. - Plato

Imagine winning 2 straight and then losing 5 straight and think it's improvement and progress  lol

Imagine losing games by 20 one season then 3 the next and sticking your head in the ground so you don't have to accept that the team made progress.

Just for this team to be better than last season isn't good enough.  Of course we mad a little progress we got our 1st round pick back in Etienne, 2nd year QB, 2 first round picks, and set the record in FA.  Last year was better than the year before but it still wasn't good enough.  What you want to look for is progression through the season, yet we have showed regression

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