There are only 11 QBs in the league with at least 50 attempts or more that have an average pocket time of 2.3 seconds or less.
Trevor is one of them.

The better lines allow pocket time averages of 2.8-3.1 seconds.

Saying he's holding the ball too long is incorrect. He rarely ever gets the opportunity to do so.

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There are only 11 QBs in the league with at least 50 attempts or more that have an average pocket time of 2.3 seconds or less.
Trevor is one of them.

The better lines allow pocket time averages of 2.8-3.1 seconds.

Saying he's holding the ball too long is incorrect. He rarely ever gets the opportunity to do so.

Not sure where to look, but i'd be curious to know how often teams blitz us.

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There are only 11 QBs in the league with at least 50 attempts or more that have an average pocket time of 2.3 seconds or less.
Trevor is one of them.

The better lines allow pocket time averages of 2.8-3.1 seconds.

Saying he's holding the ball too long is incorrect. He rarely ever gets the opportunity to do so.

Not sure where to look, but i'd be curious to know how often teams blitz us.

Most of them don't need to blitz to create pressure. 

We're mid-pack. 
TL is the eleventh most blitzed QB in the league.

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lol

The oline is fine. Ol knuckle head is supposed to get rid of the ball on a 3 stepper and refuses. Oh wait we’re supposed to block for 30 minutes so he can throw.

Show me the 12 sacks on the year. Don’t show me the plays where he was supposed to get rid of it and took off running bc he was scared to throw it.

I won’t be offering anymore opinions on the oline. I’m tired of even talking about offensive linemen. Let’s talk Quarterback!

Shereef is supposed to help Fortner. If you’re not working on the field then you go hunt work go find work. Fortner ain’t a problem, Taylor ain’t a prollem and neither is Robinson. If they only rush 3 then obviously the offensive lin…never mind

Show me the oline where Etienne went for a buck fiddy.

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In addition to TL getting pressured too often to take deep shots more often, he's getting it on the quick stuff too.

here are two more clips - again JUST from the first three series in London. And we know this OL gets worse in protection late in games. We've seen it several times.

This is a completion to Zay Jones and Cam is letting his guy get a hand on Trevor within 1.6 seconds.
Cam is on skates immediately. 


 

Here is another quick completion where Fortner and Cam are getting killed
Again - from only the first three series in London

1.9 seconds to QB getting contacted

Again - it happens every week consistently.  Not sure why we are ignoring it.
This is a big part of the problem - and it is primarily at Center, LG and LT.

Here's another quick pressure given up by Cam last Sunday

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In addition to TL getting pressured too often to take deep shots more often, he's getting it on the quick stuff too.

here are two more clips - again JUST from the first three series in London. And we know this OL gets worse in protection late in games. We've seen it several times.

This is a completion to Zay Jones and Cam is letting his guy get a hand on Trevor within 1.6 seconds.
Cam is on skates immediately. 


 

Here is another quick completion where Fortner and Cam are getting killed
Again - from only the first three series in London

1.9 seconds to QB getting contacted

Again - it happens every week consistently.  Not sure why we are ignoring it.
This is a big part of the problem - and it is primarily at Center, LG and LT.

Here's another quick pressure given up by Cam last Sunday

Yeah. This last one is pretty bad. He goes, snap, starts reading left and can't even make it to the middle and right read. Robinson was clearly playing pattycake there. His only option was to dump it off quick to Etienne there. 

BUT....

It looks like a screen play though. Look at how #68 & #69 let their guys get by them and start to run to their left at a downfield angle. That's clearly a designed screen play there for Etienne. So, was it really Robinson blowing his block there or him just trying to entrap the edge rusher into the pocket so Etienne could leak out?

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Here is an interesting play with deeper routes.

This is may have been the first play of the fourth quarter - mid-drive for the Jags I think.

Lawrence's first read is Marvin Jones on a comeback route. The dropping LB is in the way so Lawrence needs to come off of the read and look elsewhere. (top right of screen below) 



Now, if he comes immediately off of that read and looks at Zay Jones about to break inward from the right side, he'd have a 22 yard completion. 

In this clip, you can see his head turn that way and try to set his feet to throw to Zay, but just as he does, he's under pressure and tucks it. 

This is a good example of where he could process the reads more quickly, but it also shows how fast it happens. 

2.6 seconds after the snap -  If he makes that second read .25 seconds faster it's a first down. Instead it's 4th down and a punt.



Watch him, right before he takes off - he's about to plant and throw. Just needed to make that decision a split second sooner.

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Here's another quick pressure given up by Cam last Sunday

Yeah. This last one is pretty bad. He goes, snap, starts reading left and can't even make it to the middle and right read. Robinson was clearly playing pattycake there. His only option was to dump it off quick to Etienne there. 

BUT....

It looks like a screen play though. Look at how #68 & #69 let their guys get by them and start to run to their left at a downfield angle. That's clearly a designed screen play there for Etienne. So, was it really Robinson blowing his block there or him just trying to entrap the edge rusher into the pocket so Etienne could leak out?

Yeah - it's a badly executed screen. I was focused on Engrams route fro the wider view. My bad. Check out the one above though.
Interesting IMO.

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Here is an interesting play with deeper routes.

This is may have been the first play of the fourth quarter - mid-drive for the Jags I think.

Lawrence's first read is Marvin Jones on a comeback route. The dropping LB is in the way so Lawrence needs to come off of the read and look elsewhere. (top right of screen below) 



Now, if he comes immediately off of that read and looks at Zay Jones about to break inward from the right side, he'd have a 22 yard completion. 

In this clip, you can see his head turn that way and try to set his feet to throw to Zay, but just as he does, he's under pressure and tucks it. 

This is a good example of where he could process the reads more quickly, but it also shows how fast it happens. 

2.6 seconds after the snap -  If he makes that second read .25 seconds faster it's a first down. Instead it's 4th down and a punt.



Watch him, right before he takes off - he's about to plant and throw. Just needed to make that decision a split second sooner.

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Yeah. This last one is pretty bad. He goes, snap, starts reading left and can't even make it to the middle and right read. Robinson was clearly playing pattycake there. His only option was to dump it off quick to Etienne there. 

BUT....

It looks like a screen play though. Look at how #68 & #69 let their guys get by them and start to run to their left at a downfield angle. That's clearly a designed screen play there for Etienne. So, was it really Robinson blowing his block there or him just trying to entrap the edge rusher into the pocket so Etienne could leak out?

Yeah - it's a badly executed screen. My bad. Check out the one above though.
Interesting IMO.

Agreed. BUT.. what in the hell is #69 doing there on that play? He's just standing there. Go and engage somebody back there. Could have helped Robinson out over there. Am I missing something?

Taylor also looks like he's a little lost on his assignment over there.

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"What do I know of cultured ways, the gilt, the craft and the lie? I, who was born in a naked land and bred in the open sky. The subtle tongue, the sophist guile, they fail when the broadswords sing; Rush in and die, dogs - I was a man before I was a king."

Here is an interesting play with deeper routes.

This is may have been the first play of the fourth quarter - mid-drive for the Jags I think.

Lawrence's first read is Marvin Jones on a comeback route. The dropping LB is in the way so Lawrence needs to come off of the read and look elsewhere. (top right of screen below) 



Now, if he comes immediately off of that read and looks at Zay Jones about to break inward from the right side, he'd have a 22 yard completion. 

In this clip, you can see his head turn that way and try to set his feet to throw to Zay, but just as he does, he's under pressure and tucks it. 

This is a good example of where he could process the reads more quickly, but it also shows how fast it happens. 

2.6 seconds after the snap -  If he makes that second read .25 seconds faster it's a first down. Instead it's 4th down and a punt.



Watch him, right before he takes off - he's about to plant and throw. Just needed to make that decision a split second sooner.

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Yeah. This last one is pretty bad. He goes, snap, starts reading left and can't even make it to the middle and right read. Robinson was clearly playing pattycake there. His only option was to dump it off quick to Etienne there. 

BUT....

It looks like a screen play though. Look at how #68 & #69 let their guys get by them and start to run to their left at a downfield angle. That's clearly a designed screen play there for Etienne. So, was it really Robinson blowing his block there or him just trying to entrap the edge rusher into the pocket so Etienne could leak out?

Yeah - it's a badly executed screen. I was focused on Engrams route fro the wider view. My bad. Check out the one above though.
Interesting IMO.

He also had plenty of time to make the throw but he got scared. His feet were set and ready to release the ball but he didn't.

The line blocked the stunt fine but he didn't release the ball to the wide open WR. If the LB is dropping back toward the outside, then immediately move to the next read. Don't stare down the WR for 2 seconds when you have 2 defenders there.

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Here is an interesting play with deeper routes.

This is may have been the first play of the fourth quarter - mid-drive for the Jags I think.

Lawrence's first read is Marvin Jones on a comeback route. The dropping LB is in the way so Lawrence needs to come off of the read and look elsewhere. (top right of screen below) 



Now, if he comes immediately off of that read and looks at Zay Jones about to break inward from the right side, he'd have a 22 yard completion. 

In this clip, you can see his head turn that way and try to set his feet to throw to Zay, but just as he does, he's under pressure and tucks it. 

This is a good example of where he could process the reads more quickly, but it also shows how fast it happens. 

2.6 seconds after the snap -  If he makes that second read .25 seconds faster it's a first down. Instead it's 4th down and a punt.



Watch him, right before he takes off - he's about to plant and throw. Just needed to make that decision a split second sooner.

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Yeah - it's a badly executed screen. I was focused on Engrams route fro the wider view. My bad. Check out the one above though.
Interesting IMO.

He also had plenty of time to make the throw but he got scared. His feet were set and ready to release the ball but he didn't.

The line blocked the stunt fine but he didn't release the ball to the wide open WR. If the LB is dropping back toward the outside, then immediately move to the next read. Don't stare down the WR for 2 seconds when you have 2 defenders there.

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He got stuck on the first read too long. But it was .2 or .3 seconds too long.  
That's how much he has to speed up the read there to hit Zay. 

It's a fraction of a second, but it's a long time with the ball in your hand against an NFL pass rush and the Jags '22 OL trying to keep you upright.

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What site is this?

ESPN
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/3453...yers-teams

Isnt that saying 5th worst pass block win rate.

Sidenote Bartch was our only player top 10 at anything.

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ESPN
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/3453...yers-teams

Isnt that saying 5th worst pass block win rate.

Sidenote Bartch was our only player top 10 at anything.

Yes 
As stated in original post

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I'm going to try and stay away from Lawrence discussions because I'd rather not be banned again for speaking my mind. But in all reality NYC I know you are just a fan who wants to believe in the guy and even tho you might not believe me, I do too. But come on man you're grasping at straws to prove it's everyones fault but his. There are other QBs who get less time, who have much worse offensive lines and still play extremely well. Joe Burrow and Herbert being the two best examples. That's not to say the O line dosent need to be fixed, and it's not to say Lawrence can't get better. But that's the NFL, you aren't always going to have a top 5 WR, a top 10 Offensive Line and every other luxury you can have. The truth of the matter is that, yes on average the line lets him down, on average the wrs haven't been stellar, but on the plays where he gets a clean pocket, and has a wide open WR he misses them quite often. And to be succesful in this league you can't fail when you get your oppurtunity, and then turn blame on the loss for the other plays where you didn't get the chance.

I think right now the best we can hope for is that we get some Oline help/WR help (Ridley/Draft picks) and Lawrence takes a step next year with him having a full season and another off-season within the current system to see if he can make the most of it.


The only thing I'd like to see throughout the second half of the season is essentially the same thing I was looking for last year. Improvement in the areas he's struggled with early on. Accuracy/Decision making and maybe a few games where he clutches out a victory at the end.

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"I'm going to try and stay away from Lawrence discussions"

goes on to write a short story about Lawrence.

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"I'm going to try and stay away from Lawrence discussions"

goes on to write a short story about Lawrence.

Did I say anything wrong?

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"I'm going to try and stay away from Lawrence discussions"

goes on to write a short story about Lawrence.

Did I say anything wrong?

Did you happen to watch the Bengals vs Browns game Monday night?

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Did I say anything wrong?

Did you happen to watch the Bengals vs Browns game Monday night?

No but I assume your point is to tell me that Burrow struggled. Even tho his stat line against the Browns is about on par with Trevors better performances.

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Did you happen to watch the Bengals vs Browns game Monday night?

No but I assume your point is to tell me that Burrow struggled. Even tho his stat line against the Browns is about on par with Trevors better performances.

Figured you didn't. You would have got a prime example that life isn't that easy without your Top 5 WR.

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No but I assume your point is to tell me that Burrow struggled. Even tho his stat line against the Browns is about on par with Trevors better performances.

Figured you didn't. You would have got a prime example that life isn't that easy without your Top 5 WR.

Can you just tell me one thing tho. I think we can all agree, Trevor has thrown uncatchable passes over his WRs heads in practically every game this season. In what way would Jamarr Chase remedy that situation? Is he 9 feet tall?

Better yet, would Jamarr Chase have somehow magically caught those goal line 1 yard ints? Would he have recovered those 4 fumbles in Philly? I'm not denying that a top 5 WR or o-line wouldn't help Trevor, but I'm curious as to how that fixes his individual mistakes. This is the disconnect I have with some other fans.

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Figured you didn't. You would have got a prime example that life isn't that easy without your Top 5 WR.

Can you just tell me one thing tho. I think we can all agree, Trevor has thrown uncatchable passes over his WRs heads in practically every game this season. In what way would Jamarr Chase remedy that situation? Is he 9 feet tall?

Definitely, he air mails a few passes every game, what about the other 30++ though? You sit here and act like every single throw he makes is 15 yards over the WR. It's bull [BLEEP] and you know it.

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