It really sucks that he can't play this season. After looking over the Falcons message board and at his stats, it seems in 2021 he was pretty average and then left for "mental health" issues shortly prior to his suspension. So on one hand, if he can come in and play like he did in 2020 we got a stud for pennies. If not we don't lose much, but it just sucks to have to wait a full year to find out.

31 catches in 5 games in 2021 extrapolates out to around 90 for year. The average was down, but how much of that was Ryan falling off the cliff and new coach Arthur Smith's scheme changes? I'd say he was on pace in 2021 for another strong season considering the limitations of the QB and new coach that year.

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It really sucks that he can't play this season. After looking over the Falcons message board and at his stats, it seems in 2021 he was pretty average and then left for "mental health" issues shortly prior to his suspension. So on one hand, if he can come in and play like he did in 2020 we got a stud for pennies. If not we don't lose much, but it just sucks to have to wait a full year to find out.

31 catches in 5 games in 2021 extrapolates out to around 90 for year. The average was down, but how much of that was Ryan falling off the cliff and new coach Arthur Smith's scheme changes? I'd say he was on pace in 2021 for another strong season considering the limitations of the QB and new coach that year.

I didn't realize he was as productive as he was relatively speaking until I saw his stats. You have to think he might have been distracted too last year if he sensed they were figuring out he was betting (this the mental health thing). Hopefully he'll take this fresh start as a motivational factor and kick it up even more.

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Mia touches on it at 16:05 in the video below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlbEOPv-gSc

Awesome video explains a lot... Also kind of touches on why Peterson is doing what he's doing on the pass/run situation... Peterson saying that this wasn't going to be a quick fix which we all heard when he said it but some have since forgotten... And how this team didn't know how to watch film or even practice when he came in.... This is going to be a pass first team and the team has got to learn how to do it and it's not going to happen overnight...

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Awesome video explains a lot... Also kind of touches on why Peterson is doing what he's doing on the pass/run situation... Peterson saying that this wasn't going to be a quick fix which we all heard when he said it but some have since forgotten... And how this team didn't know how to watch film or even practice when he came in.... This is going to be a pass first team and the team has got to learn how to do it and it's not going to happen overnight... So there's going to be a lot of ups and downs taking punches and a lot of fails but how else are you going to learn... Like Doug said It's got to be coached... the right players have to be put in place and it's not going to happen overnight

I heard this on 1010xl yesterday and was floored.  While i'm sure there were a few new and holdover veterans that knew how to practice, it really speaks to the absolute chaos and dysfunction that went on last year.  How they even won 3 games is a small miracle.

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Can you explain?  If he's on the Jaguars roster, why wouldn't the Jaguars pay it?

Mia touches on it at 16:05 in the video below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlbEOPv-gSc

Awesome video explains a lot... Also kind of touches on why Peterson is doing what he's doing on the pass/run situation... Peterson saying that this wasn't going to be a quick fix which we all heard when he said it but some have since forgotten... And how this team didn't know how to watch film or even practice when he came in.... This is going to be a pass first team and the team has got to learn how to do it and it's not going to happen overnight... So there's going to be a lot of ups and downs taking punches and a lot of fails but how else are you going to learn....It's got to be coached... the right players have to be put in place and it's not going to happen overnight

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Awesome video explains a lot... Also kind of touches on why Peterson is doing what he's doing on the pass/run situation... Peterson saying that this wasn't going to be a quick fix which we all heard when he said it but some have since forgotten... And how this team didn't know how to watch film or even practice when he came in.... This is going to be a pass first team and the team has got to learn how to do it and it's not going to happen overnight...

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I heard this on 1010xl yesterday and was floored.  While i'm sure there were a few new and holdover veterans that know how to practice, it really speaks to the absolute chaos and dysfunction that went on last year.  How they even won 3 games is a small miracle.

I mean I knew it was bad but I didn't know it was that bad... It is amazing we won three games... But it just goes to show how this team has really completely started fresh this year... It's going to take time but I think we're on the right track

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I would too and I can't see Engram being desperate to get out. Gesicki would cost an awful lot more if Miami let him get to the market. 

I wasn't sure how much Engram had left in him after leaving New York but I've been impressed so far.

He's on pace for an 800 yard season. 

Would probably put Engram's year at 3rd or 4th all time in single season receiving yards by a Jags TE. 
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That’s amazing. I looked up Marcedes stats and was surprised by his receiving yardage totals. My recollection was off. I thought he was putting up bigger yards than he was. 

Engram is having a very nice year.

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engram really is, thru 8 games has only like 300 yards less than Lewis at his highest total. and 20 less receptions.

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engram really is, thru 8 games has only like 300 yards less than Lewis at his highest total. and 20 less receptions.

Lewis also played on an offense that was run centric with no outside help to take the spotlight off of him in the passing game.

He should still be in Jacksonville. Just like Fred Taylor and Daryl Smith. All of those guys should have finished as Jaguars.

I think Engram and Arnold have been disturbingly underutilized this year. When Pederson was hired I kept highlighting the use of the TE position in his offense.

It's been very limited. Arnold sees screens his way maybe once or twice every other week or two. Engram, IMHO, does not get used enough as a "move" type athlete for that position.

He's more capable of doing things along the lines that Kelce and Kittle do. Meaning, you can move him into the slot, outside and into the backfield for misdirection plays.

It's rare he's split outside or motioned into the backfield. They seem to try to always get him down the seam or on a crosser here and there.

At some point, you need to have him and Etienne doing things route wise and motion wise to flood one side of the field or force a defense to rotate coverages. Especially in that 25 yard range from the endzone.

It's frustrating that it's been mostly the same gun [BLEEP] over and over again. Not enough RPO plays with Lawrence. They need to open the playbook up more. Especially if you're deadset on throwing it 30, 40 times per game.

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Jaguars need to draft a stud first round receiver. Ridley is a great gamble, but Ridley, the top receiver of the draft, and Kirk would be a lot more promising.

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It really sucks that he can't play this season. After looking over the Falcons message board and at his stats, it seems in 2021 he was pretty average and then left for "mental health" issues shortly prior to his suspension. So on one hand, if he can come in and play like he did in 2020 we got a stud for pennies. If not we don't lose much, but it just sucks to have to wait a full year to find out.

31 catches in 5 games in 2021 extrapolates out to around 90 for year. The average was down, but how much of that was Ryan falling off the cliff and new coach Arthur Smith's scheme changes? I'd say he was on pace in 2021 for another strong season considering the limitations of the QB and new coach that year.

Good point, just hope the mental thing isn't an issue

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Can you explain?  If he's on the Jaguars roster, why wouldn't the Jaguars pay it?

Mia touches on it at 16:05 in the video below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlbEOPv-gSc

Good video - thanks.

Wow, if they could pry Higgins away from the Bengals this offseason... There's the big body/good hands receiver this offense could use. Ridley provides speed/explosiveness hopefully... could be fun.

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Mia touches on it at 16:05 in the video below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlbEOPv-gSc

Good video - thanks.

Wow, if they could pry Higgins away from the Bengals this offseason... There's the big body/good hands receiver this offense could use. Ridley provides speed/explosiveness hopefully... could be fun.

I can't imagine the Bengals letting Higgins go for any reason. I wish but I don't think it's going to happen. Boyd has a better shot at leaving than Higgins.

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Good video - thanks.

Wow, if they could pry Higgins away from the Bengals this offseason... There's the big body/good hands receiver this offense could use. Ridley provides speed/explosiveness hopefully... could be fun.

I can't imagine the Bengals letting Higgins go for any reason. I wish but I don't think it's going to happen. Boyd has a better shot at leaving than Higgins.

I can’t imagine either. It would have to fully be a salary cap decision. I’m not sure when Higgins is due to get paid either.

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This team always offering us next year. Even though I knew it was bad, I can't believe it is worse than my imagination.

This franchise is historically bad and I can't believe we got here.

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Good video - thanks.

Wow, if they could pry Higgins away from the Bengals this offseason... There's the big body/good hands receiver this offense could use. Ridley provides speed/explosiveness hopefully... could be fun.

I can't imagine the Bengals letting Higgins go for any reason. I wish but I don't think it's going to happen. Boyd has a better shot at leaving than Higgins.

Yeah. Agreed. Boyd would be the most likely available receiver next off season. I think they have to go WR early next year. Everybody is trying to pencil in CB. I dont know about that.

I think Williams and Campbell are competent on the outside. Go draft you a new slot corner on day three. Riley Moss would be a good candidate in RD4 or RD5 there.

But, Johnston, Perry or Demus Jr. have to be RD1 and RD2 targets.

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This team always offering us next year. Even though I knew it was bad, I can't believe it is worse than my imagination.

This franchise is historically bad and I can't believe we got here.

Read your sig and take that deep breath.

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I can't imagine the Bengals letting Higgins go for any reason. I wish but I don't think it's going to happen. Boyd has a better shot at leaving than Higgins.

Yeah. Agreed. Boyd would be the most likely available receiver next off season. I think they have to go WR early next year. Everybody is trying to pencil in CB. I dont know about that.

I think Williams and Campbell are competent on the outside. Go draft you a new slot corner on day three. Riley Moss would be a good candidate in RD4 or RD5 there.

But, Johnston, Perry or Demus Jr. have to be RD1 and RD2 targets.

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Who is everybody?  I don't think they draft for position, especially in round 1.  I hope we don't pass on Jalen Carter

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"I am really excited for him right now. He's doing whatever he needs to do but I know he's working. I think he's going to be one of the most conditioned players in the National Football League next year," Allen said.

"Somebody who's gonna be determined to hit the stage rolling, think he is going to be in a contract here as well. So I know he's gonna be even more determined than ever. And I'm excited for him and for Trevor, I am excited for his offense, and he's gonna help us out a whole bunch."

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Yeah. Agreed. Boyd would be the most likely available receiver next off season. I think they have to go WR early next year. Everybody is trying to pencil in CB. I dont know about that.

I think Williams and Campbell are competent on the outside. Go draft you a new slot corner on day three. Riley Moss would be a good candidate in RD4 or RD5 there.

But, Johnston, Perry or Demus Jr. have to be RD1 and RD2 targets.

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Who is everybody?  I don't think they draft for position, especially in round 1.  I hope we don't pass on Jalen Carter

Locals. Hicken this morning and Prosser were debating on it after looking at a current big board I think.

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Who is everybody?  I don't think they draft for position, especially in round 1.  I hope we don't pass on Jalen Carter

Locals. Hicken this morning and Prosser were debating on it after looking at a current big board I think.

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Do did they say we should take?

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Locals. Hicken this morning and Prosser were debating on it after looking at a current big board I think.

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Do did they say we should take?

Hicken is big on Carter. Prosser is split at the moment.

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